14th July 2010
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#631 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Feb 2006 Location: Munich, Germany
Posts: 1,610
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Originally Posted by SpeakUpStudios used this rig on a baroque recording session... humble beginnings i suppose | What were the spot mics?
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22nd July 2010
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#632 | | Gear interested
Joined: May 2010 Location: Raleigh NC
Posts: 4
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A minor upgrade from the Remote LE rig
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25th July 2010
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#633 | | Gear Head
Joined: Sep 2008 Location: Chicago
Posts: 72
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Here's the mainstay remote recording rig which is the secret weapon for my rtpress piano concert video sound tracks on YouTube. A Sound Devices 744T recorder teamed with a pair of DPA 4021 compact cardioid mics in the xy part of the ortf combo holder. Pretty much invisible on stage with the recorder stashed behind a piano leg. Plenty of time for unattended battery-powered recording of the longest concerts while I'm off in the rafters shooting video. The mics and holder, btw, are part of the 3521 stereo kit and are the same heads used in their 4011 handhelds, just shrunk down to 1-inch high. If the piano player also sings, I usually set up a Neumann KS105 and tap the lineout from my Bose PAS sound system to feed channel 3 of the 744T... only 2 mic pres on this 4-channel recorder. I synch by eye and ear later after importing the audio mix into a video editor.
Here's a video sound track recorded using the 744T, a couple KS105 vocal mics and 2 keyboards lined-in: Angel From Montgomery
And a test recording in my living room using the dpa's on the piano with a KS105 on the vocal: Map To The Treasure
Howard
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25th July 2010
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#634 | | Gear Head
Joined: Sep 2008 Location: Chicago
Posts: 72
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For larger bands I usually use the slightly bigger-sized 8-channel Sound Devices 788T. Unlike its little brother, it has mic pres on all of its inputs. But it does suck down more juice so I try to power it with ac if possible. Pictured here with the same DPAs along with a couple of my older stereo AT825s which I still use for dual-piano shows. Also shown are a couple of black Neumann 105's and a nickle 104 I might use for vocals. And a couple Earthworks qtc40's I like for drum overheads.
Howard
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27th July 2010
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#635 | | Shark Sandwich
Joined: Dec 2009 Location: Gig City
Posts: 2,050
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Originally Posted by tfitch A minor upgrade from the Remote LE rig | Welcome to Gearslutz!
That's a fine setup you have there, I bet you get great results!
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1st August 2010
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#636 | | Gear interested
Joined: Jun 2009 Location: Louisville, KY USA
Posts: 27
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Originally Posted by pkautzsch What were the spot mics? |
On this particular session we used an sm 81 on theorbo, beta52 on violone, at4040 on cello, beta 87's on the harpsichords, akg c1000's on the violin sections, at873r on the violas, and sm 57's on the recorders and oboe - the mic up front is a Crown Mark II PZM. We just bought two at4050's for a new baroque recording we just did of a smaller ensemble
we are still studying in college so we dont have the money for high end equipment so we try to make up for it by extensive mixing.
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2nd August 2010
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#637 | | Gear nut
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 134
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Recorded in a local coffee house often hosting live music. This place has the acoustics of a shower room! Usually almost impossible ambient for recording live acoustic at moderate distances with a single mic.
But turned out OK using a baffled stereo-surround rig consiting of mic + custom mic pre + DAT deck regardless of these worst conditions.
Here are the pictures of the portable rig and view of the place from performers perspective.
And here is one of the raw recordings done at that session: http://74.208.10.48/mp3/roverss3.mp3 |
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3rd August 2010
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#638 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Apr 2003 Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 3,475
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Originally Posted by SpeakUpStudios we are still studying in college so we dont have the money for high end equipment so we try to make up for it by extensive mixing. | As somebody who has been on both sides of the figurative gear divide, you may want to reconsider this line of thought. We all go through a phase where we want absolute control and mix the heck out of things. Sometimes it turns out well, but more often than not, we make justifications for bad sound by saying "oh, but there is a spot there- it'll be fine." Or you grab a mic that is completely inappropriate for a source because it is the only thing you have (in your case, a beta 52 is about the last thing I'd ever grab for a violone)
A suggestion for your future work in classical music. Start with a "standard" mic technique using the microphones that you own. Perhaps a pair of SM81's or AT4040 or something like that. You can do far worse than those (I spent my first 4 years of recording using nothing but a single pair of SM81 mics going through an original Mackie1202). Get the best sound you can using just those mics. Listen for your image, not just from left to right, but listening for the sense of front to back depth. The instruments in the back shouldn't be as present as those in the front.
Give that a try and learn to improve your microphone technique. Then when you go to higher end gear, you'll be even more impressed with the improvement in your results.
--Ben
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3rd August 2010
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#639 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Jul 2008 Location: DC |
Echoing what Ben said, try just using one Crown SASS and few/no spots on the next gig. The SASS mic is a wonderful tool for learning how to place your main pair. Put it in the center line and move it forward or backward till you get a great sound. Hard to get more simple than that! thumbsup
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3rd August 2010
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#640 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 238
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Picture's not the sharpest, but this is the current rig.
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3rd August 2010
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#641 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Jan 2003 Location: steeltown
Posts: 3,435
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Originally Posted by tfitch A minor upgrade from the Remote LE rig | nice rig.
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8th August 2010
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#642 | | Gear addict
Joined: Mar 2008 Location: France
Posts: 350
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Here is my first humble mobile rig. I'm currently recording vocals |
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16th August 2010
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#643 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Jul 2008 Location: DC |
For a piano recital, followed by a string quartet recital.
My "Revox R16"  sits nicely on a verticle 4U rack case.
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21st August 2010
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#644 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Feb 2006 Location: Munich, Germany
Posts: 1,610
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What's the expensive-looking 8ch device in that vertical rack, btw?
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21st August 2010
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#645 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Apr 2003 Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 3,475
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like a Grace 801.
-Ben
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30th August 2010
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#646 | | Gear interested
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 4
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My recording/live sound rig consists of:
Allen & Heath GL2400-24
Alesis HD24 w/EC-2 converter upgrade
dbx 166XL compressor
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30th August 2010
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#647 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Aug 2010 Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 706
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An Allen & Heath iLive console with a Tascam X48, (2) Presonus ADL600, Focusrite RED8, Presonus MP20, and (2) Presonus Digimax96's.....locked to picture, great sound!
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30th August 2010
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#648 | | Super Moderator
Joined: Aug 2002 Location: NYC |
Nice rig...
Hey, Just curious - what did you use as your back-up multi-track recorder? Quote:
Originally Posted by BradLyons An Allen & Heath iLive console with a Tascam X48, (2) Presonus ADL600, Focusrite RED8, Presonus MP20, and (2) Presonus Digimax96's.....locked to picture, great sound! | |
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30th August 2010
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#649 | | Super Moderator
Joined: Aug 2002 Location: NYC |
I never heard of the EC-1 upgrade.
Do you mean, an Alesis HD24 w/ the EC-2 converter upgrade? Quote:
Originally Posted by Gdiddy My recording/live sound rig consists of:
Allen & Heath GL2400-24
Alesis HD24 w/EC-1 converter upgrade
dbx 166XL compressor | |
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30th August 2010
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#650 | | Gear interested
Joined: May 2009
Posts: 4
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Originally Posted by Remoteness I never heard of the EC-1 upgrade.
Do you mean, an Alesis HD24 w/ the EC-2 converter upgrade? | Yes, I meant EC-2. |
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30th August 2010
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#651 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Apr 2008 Location: London UK
Posts: 689
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Originally Posted by Gdiddy Yes, I meant EC-2.  | At the risk of going OT....Does anyone know where to get a good deal on the EC-2 ? $799 looks like the standard price across the board.
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30th August 2010
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#652 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Aug 2010 Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 706
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Originally Posted by Remoteness Nice rig...
Hey, Just curious - what did you use as your back-up multi-track recorder? | I didn't, I trust it enough :-) HOWEVER---what I didn't trust was the video truck who STOPPED ROLL IN THE FIRST SONG, kicking me offline. I was able to edit and such. I should post some clips I recorded from that system, it has some nice punch to it.
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31st August 2010
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#653 | | Super Moderator
Joined: Aug 2002 Location: NYC |
I trust my gear too, but we never leave home without a back up and sometimes a back up for the back up.
For us, back ups are paramount.
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4th September 2010
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#654 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 272
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Originally Posted by Remoteness I trust my gear too, but we never leave home without a back up and sometimes a back up for the back up.
For us, back ups are paramount. | i though backups were for sissies
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5th September 2010
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#655 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Aug 2008 Location: NashVegas
Posts: 1,292
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Originally Posted by Fuzzy Logic i though backups were for sissies | Nope. Professionals.
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5th September 2010
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#656 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Jun 2004 Location: Virginia - North Carolina - California
Posts: 292
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Originally Posted by Fuzzy Logic i though backups were for sissies |  His dad must have an excellent set of tools.   |
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6th September 2010
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#657 | | Super Moderator
Joined: Aug 2002 Location: NYC | Quote:
Originally Posted by hbphotoav Nope. Professionals. | Backups are indeed for professionals!
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6th September 2010
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#659 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Jun 2004 Location: Virginia - North Carolina - California
Posts: 292
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Originally Posted by JohannesW | Probably a better work flow than I will ever touch. ..a superbly excellent demo of some radically secure backup. Wowza!
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6th September 2010
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#660 | | Super Moderator
Joined: Aug 2002 Location: NYC |
Fabulous clip on workflow, backups and such.
Thanks for sharing this awesome link. Quote:
Originally Posted by JohannesW | |
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