15th January 2008
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#1 | | Gear addict
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Thread Starter  |  Name this mic technique
Hi guys.
yesterday I was recording some percussion...djembe,bendir,cajon,darabuka,req.
I end up using this technique but I dont know how to name it.
2 omni mics on top of each other, with the diagrams barrelly touching , facing the instrument.
If I use both mics in the middle it sounds great and if I pan them L/R it sounds much better.
Its not like stereo micing but it is really huge sounding...
a name please?
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15th January 2008
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#2 | | Gear Guru
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Dual Mono Hard Pan.
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#3 | | Lives for gear
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Wide Mono?
X-Y(w)ide Mono?
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#4 | | Gearslutz.com admin
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North-South stereo maybe - when conventional spaced pairs are East-West.
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The "this sounds better because it is 2x louder than regular mono" techique
I'm not bustin on ya, but this may be the case here.
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Big Mono
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#9 | | Gear Guru
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I like it whoever said "double mono hard pan," that seems to sum it up nicely, eh?
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This is a bit reminiscent of the coincident omni vocal mic technique used by Bruce Swedien. In his case, the capsules were pointed different directions. I believe he used DPA's. You get a strong central image with no low-frequency phase problems, but I little bit of stereo "action" at high frequencies, due to pattern narrowing.
David L. Rick
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15th January 2008
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#11 | | Gear addict
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Originally Posted by BlueRadio  The "this sounds better because it is 2x louder than regular mono" techique
I'm not bustin on ya, but this may be the case here. |
no its not.
Matching the level of one mic at the time with both doesn't give the same mono sound.
I could post some clips if you like
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#12 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by joelpatterson I like it whoever said "double mono hard pan," that seems to sum it up nicely, eh? | I think that guy was on to something. thumbsup
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Originally Posted by David Rick This is a bit reminiscent of the coincident omni vocal mic technique used by Bruce Swedien. In his case, the capsules were pointed different directions. I believe he used DPA's. | I used B&K 4006's (now DPA 4006) extensively and these mics are not omni's from top 'till bottom. 
As you can see, a pair of coincident 4006 omni's can be used as a XY or ORTF. The mono-comptablity is also less destructive as with an AB-pair of omni's. Try it at "home" if you have the chance!
I also regularly took off the grids for a less phase-distorted sound at 3.5k and to make it a little more directional.
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15th January 2008
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#14 | | Gear Guru
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I like the DMHP moniker. Of course it works because High frequencies are not omnidirectional....
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15th January 2008
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#15 | | Gear maniac
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Originally Posted by joelpatterson I like it whoever said "double mono hard pan," that seems to sum it up nicely, eh? | Actually, he said 'dual', not 'double'... You shouldn't put words in the poor guys mouth. | |
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16th January 2008
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#16 | | Gear maniac
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Instead of X/Y, you could call it O/O  | |
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#17 | | Gear Guru
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Originally Posted by slick0 Actually, he said 'dual', not 'double'... You shouldn't put words in the poor guys mouth. | I must be playing some clever game, with this intentional "mis-remembering what I read," I wonder what I'm up to?
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22nd February 2008
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#18 | | Gear interested
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It would be nice to have some sound clips to listen. By the way, kalispera.
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22nd February 2008
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#19 | | Gear addict
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Kalispera (goodevening) Kosta.
I will post some percussion clips later.
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22nd February 2008
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#20 | | Gear maniac
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no intensity or phase difference? 
doesn't that mean.... the same?
did the poster mean to say that the capsules were coincident, but crossed?  | |
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22nd February 2008
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You say you like the sound of it? Then I would call the technique "the right one."
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22nd February 2008
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#22 | | Gear maniac
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I agree, who cares what it's called if it works. If it sounds good, name it after yourself and spread through out college text books nation wide. Innovation through experimentation. I love it! not enough people think that way any more!!
Can't wait to hear it!
All the best
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22nd February 2008
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#23 | | Lives for gear
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Well , why not call it the "The Yiannis something between mono and stereo technique"?
Jörg Jecklin did the same with the Jecklin-disk. And then he patented it and earned money with it. (yes, unbeliveable, but also possible)
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23rd February 2008
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#24 | | Gear addict
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here are some percussion samples guys.
In each zip file is a L-R summing version and the stereo.
files are 24/48
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23rd February 2008
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#25 | | Gear addict
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On the bongo's it seems that it is left side heavy. It sounds kinda cool, is the all mid just a mono file of it?
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23rd February 2008
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#26 | | Gear addict
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Originally Posted by Spookym15 On the bongo's it seems that it is left side heavy. It sounds kinda cool, is the all mid just a mono file of it? |
the mono file is the two mics placed in the middle
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24th February 2008
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#27 | | Gear interested
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I'll have to check this in the studio but just listening from my vaio I didn't hear a wide stereo. My panning usually is quite hard and I use very wide stereo image. I couldn't get the stereo much. Again, I'll check it in the studio and I'll get back.
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24th February 2008
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#28 | | Gear addict
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Originally Posted by joelpatterson I like it whoever said "double mono hard pan," that seems to sum it up nicely, eh? | You never fail to crack me up Joel, but I believe the correct term for that technique is Momnereo
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24th February 2008
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#29 | | Gear Head
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Originally Posted by joelpatterson I must be playing some clever game, with this intentional "mis-remembering what I read," I wonder what I'm up to? | Whoa, maybe there are two of you!
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25th February 2008
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