Originally Posted by Samc
I don't want to flame anybody either, but can we at least discuss the topic?
Is this a really valid argument in your case? Don't you think it's an insult to the victims of this horrible crime to use their situation in this way?
Sure, we can discuss it. I just usually find that most people are not open to discussion, they just want to argue and try to make the the other look inferior.
Do I think it's an insult to those people? I'm not sure I understand why you would think that it is. I was simply using that case to make the point that there are cases where an unarmed person needs an advantage due to size or some other variable.
Originally Posted by Samc
Personally, at some point I would just give them the gear. I do not want to kill someone over a case, (or truck) full of gear, and I certainly don't want to be killed over said gear either. We can always present arguments to justify anything we want to do. But the fact is that 99.99% of the people doing this job will probably never face these situations you presented.
Not saying it's impossible....just highly improbable.....
I agree, it's highly improbable. And I take measures to keep it that way by not putting myself into situations that raise those odds.
The point, again, was not about stuff/gear, it's about personal safety. However, stuff - especially expensive electronic stuff, has a certain appeal to criminals and tends to attract them.
There are criminals out there that do not stop at taking the gear, even if you passively let them. Besides, who of us wouldn't at least make an attempt to prevent the theft of an expensive piece of gear unless the thief was showing a weapon? Numerous events can happen at that point.
Further, there have been cases in the "club district" of unarmed gangs of 4-6 beating up people for no apparent reason. They didn't rob them, didn't rape them, they just beat them up. One that I know of spent some time in the hospital due to extensive injuries.
Me? I'm usually in churches and symphony centers, and they're relatively secure. But as I've said to people, read the news. People have been attacked, by all methods, in schools, churches, restaurants, and the list goes on. If you think that wherever you are is "safe", I'll bet I can find an instance where someone was attacked.
The concealed licensing in Texas was fueled by an incident that occurred at a Luby's restaurant in a smallish town. He killed 22 people. George Hennard
Is this an everyday occurrance? No. Was he crazy? Yes
One fact is that it did happen. It could happen again, anywhere. In fact, it already has several times. Guns are here and are not going away anytime soon.
In Texas, if I remember correctly, a non-license
holder is statistically 7 times more likely to commit an offense with a handgun than a licensee. Handguns in the hands of law-abiding, responsible people are not the problem. Handguns in the hands of criminals are, and there are already laws that make it illegal for felons to have them. That doesn't seem to bother them much.
I doubt that you see it this way, so please don't be insulted, but I am constantly amazed at those that think that any gun law or moral standard is going to prevent a criminal from having a gun, committing a crime or being violent. If criminals respected the law, they wouldn't be criminals.