OK Oldtimers

"DB" · 17th February 2007, 11:16 AM

All you old remote guys (and Wittman, too), can any of you correctly identify this Remote Truck (it recorded many classic live albums)? I'll give hints only if I have to.

**Remoteness** · 17th February 2007, 11:32 AM

Would the guy that ran it initials be AB?

loujudson · 17th February 2007, 06:30 PM

No, but i recognize the 67 Mercedes!...

**Remoteness** · 17th February 2007, 08:01 PM

Oh yeah, who owns that 67 Mercedes?

loujudson · 17th February 2007, 09:40 PM

<GRIN> I said I recognized it, not that I knew who owned it. Just bein'silly.

<L>

**Remoteness** · 17th February 2007, 09:48 PM

Damn, I thought we were getting some where on this matter.

d_fu · 17th February 2007, 09:51 PM

I don't see a Merc in this picture...

loujudson · 17th February 2007, 10:10 PM

Sorry, didn't mean to tease.

And Damn, that's no Mercedes, looks more liek the front end of a Lincoln about the same vintage as the Caddy. Never mind. Gee, My mom told me that when I was a mere 3 or 4 year old I could identify all the cars on the road... That was abotu the year of that Caddy, too. I'm slipping.

I'd like to know more too!

<L>

Berolzheimer · 17th February 2007, 11:05 PM

Did it contain a Sphere or Helios? Seems to me I've seen pics of that truck before...

"DB" · 18th February 2007, 02:31 AM

Remoteness is on the right track thinking of the "royalty" of remote recording. The picture was taken in 1979 behind Bearsville studios.

**Remoteness** · 18th February 2007, 03:20 AM

I want to say Fedco, but I don't remember that truck being painted blue...

Come on DB, give us a few more hints -- keep them difficult, but lay a few on us my man!

woomanmoomin · 18th February 2007, 05:20 PM

I believe Thomas Edison used this to record The Grateful Dead.

**Remoteness** · 18th February 2007, 08:01 PM

Or maybe Henry Ford since it's a Ford truck.

Berolzheimer · 18th February 2007, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woomanmoomin

I believe Thomas Edison used this to record The Grateful Dead.

How many cylinders?

"DB" · 19th February 2007, 08:42 AM

"Wait ! it's 6 o' clock in the morning! And we've recorded it all! And you're in it and we're in it, and that will be our third album. Thank you ..."

**Remoteness** · 19th February 2007, 08:56 AM

Man, I guess I didn't mean your hint should be "that" difficult.

"DB" · 19th February 2007, 09:53 AM

The quote was said on March 13, 1971, a really great date in remote recording history, probably sounded a lot like this at the gig:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da1DpH6UjeI

**Remoteness** · 19th February 2007, 11:30 AM

See when I said AB I was sure it was him... With his buddy LD. Didn't they both have a remote truck at the time or was it later in time.

I remember in the late 70s AB had the TV Music truck with a Harrison console from Scharff at the time...

You're killin' me my man!

What about Aaron Baron and Larry Dalhstrom? Great engineer's. Right?

"DB" · 19th February 2007, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Remoteness

See when I said AB I was sure it was him... With his buddy LD. Didn't they both have a remote truck at the time or was it later in time.

I remember in the late 70s AB had the TV Music truck with a Harrison console from Scharff at the time...

You're killin' me my man!

What about Aaron Baron and Larry Dalhstrom? Great engineer's. Right?

Yes, it's Aaron Baron and Larry Dahlstrom's Location Recorders Truck that recorded The Allman Brothers Band "At Fillmore East", B.B.King "Live in Cook County Jail", "Chicago at Carnegie Hall", Blue Oyster Cult "On Your Feet Or On Your Knees", Todd Rundgren "Another Live", and Wet Willie "Drippin' Wet" among others.

yrplace · 21st February 2007, 07:21 AM

Thanks for the answer. I knew who it was but couldn't recall the name of the truck.

Didn't it end up as part of Bearsville, but eventually they junked it?

Mark Linett

"DB" · 22nd February 2007, 02:22 AM

Yeah, Mark, that's true. I believe the last gig it ever did was at Frivilous Sal's in Poughkeepsie in the early '80's recording a band called "Breaker 1-9".

Bjones · 3rd March 2007, 04:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by "DB"

Yes, it's Aaron Baron and Larry Dahlstrom's Location Recorders Truck that recorded The Allman Brothers Band "At Fillmore East", B.B.King "Live in Cook County Jail", "Chicago at Carnegie Hall", Blue Oyster Cult "On Your Feet Or On Your Knees", Todd Rundgren "Another Live", and Wet Willie "Drippin' Wet" among others.

thanks for the info!

SarasotaSlim · 12th March 2007, 03:23 AM

OK now that we've come this far and since I'm a big fan of that AB Filmore thing - What kind of recording board and equipment was in the truck?!

larold@socal.rr. · 24th May 2007, 09:26 PM

I was the assistant engineer on that truck with Larry and Aaron for several years while I lived in Bearsville, from 1971 to 1973 or so. We were parked outside Carnegie Hall for lots of recordings. I don't remember it being blue.

I'd love to find those guys again. Lot's of great stories...

Larold

larold.com

**Remoteness** · 24th May 2007, 09:45 PM

Last time I checked Larry was running Madison Square Garden.

larold@socal.rr. · 25th May 2007, 04:02 PM

I'll try to contact him.

**Remoteness** · 25th May 2007, 05:18 PM

Awesome! Send him my regards and direct him to this thread.
I'm sure he would be pleased to read these posts.

larold@socal.rr. · 27th May 2007, 07:10 AM

We also recorded:

Live Simon (7 nights at Carnegie Hall with Paul Simon)
Rod McKuen
Josephine Baker
Steve Allen Show
Charlie Mingus
all at Carnegie Hall.

Lot's of other albums too, like the Fania All Stars at Yankee Stadium, Todd Rundgen at Wollman Rink, Sly & The Family Stone, Eagles there too.

It was pretty amazing.

I forget what we had in there, equipment-wise.

Berolzheimer · 27th May 2007, 09:06 AM

Hey Larold, nice website. Impressive resume, too.

David Baron · 11th December 2007, 03:54 AM

My dad, Aaron Baron, is sitting next to me at my house in Woodstock here in 2007. He wants to say he is still alive as is Larry, remarkably. They are both retired now but as cranky as ever. I asked him about his gear on the truck that did those records, here's what he said:

Console was custom made with Quad 8 components designed by Bill Windsor. It was unusual in that it had 16 busses and 16 linear inputs and 8 rotary.

The dual multitrack tape machines were both 3M 56's with 16-track head heads. He said "we never had 24 tracks". My dad says that 24 track sucked because you had to buy noise reduction...etc...

They had one 2-track MCI custom built. Apparently, Larry and the gang built it themselves.

The monitors were Altec 604e's with JBL bullets for extended high end. They were powered by Macintosh amps.

The original truck only had 2 limiters - of the LA2 variety.

The Allman Brother's live record used more inputs than they had (at that point they only had 16 inputs). The drums were submixed on two Shure M67 mixes with the exception of the kicks which went into the main console.

BB King at Cook County Jail was recorded entirely on Shure microphones because they had excessive wind problems at the site. They tried a ton of their other mics and ended up with 57's with A2WS windscreens, SM5b, and a 58 for vocal.

The microphone compliment during the early 70s included the Shure mics, U87s, 414, RE15 & 16s, Sony C37fet's, AKG 451's.

If you have any questions or just want to say hello, my dad's email is:

aabaron@comcast.net

My dad got a big kick out of reading this stuff - thanks a lot.

David

17th February 2007, 11:16 AM	#1
"DB" Gear nut Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 77	OK Oldtimers All you old remote guys (and Wittman, too), can any of you correctly identify this Remote Truck (it recorded many classic live albums)? I'll give hints only if I have to. Attached Thumbnails __________________ "DB"

17th February 2007, 11:32 AM	#2
Remoteness Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 4,905	Would the guy that ran it initials be AB? __________________ Steve Remote AuraSonicLtd.com the home of ASL Mobile & Location Production Remoteness on the Linkedin Network Remoteness on Myspace

17th February 2007, 08:01 PM	#4
Remoteness Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 4,905	Oh yeah, who owns that 67 Mercedes? __________________ Steve Remote AuraSonicLtd.com the home of ASL Mobile & Location Production Remoteness on the Linkedin Network Remoteness on Myspace

17th February 2007, 09:48 PM	#6
Remoteness Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 4,905	Damn, I thought we were getting some where on this matter. __________________ Steve Remote AuraSonicLtd.com the home of ASL Mobile & Location Production Remoteness on the Linkedin Network Remoteness on Myspace

17th February 2007, 11:05 PM	#9
Berolzheimer Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: El Lay Posts: 1,977	Did it contain a Sphere or Helios? Seems to me I've seen pics of that truck before... __________________ Purveyor of fine sounds since 1961. My very incomplete IMDB list: My very incomplete IMDB list I'm all ears.

17th February 2007, 06:30 PM	#3
loujudson Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 998	No, but i recognize the 67 Mercedes!...

17th February 2007, 09:40 PM	#5
loujudson Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 998	<GRIN> I said I recognized it, not that I knew who owned it. Just bein'silly. <L>

17th February 2007, 09:51 PM	#7
d_fu Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 1,445	I don't see a Merc in this picture...

17th February 2007, 10:10 PM	#8
loujudson Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 998	Sorry, didn't mean to tease. And Damn, that's no Mercedes, looks more liek the front end of a Lincoln about the same vintage as the Caddy. Never mind. Gee, My mom told me that when I was a mere 3 or 4 year old I could identify all the cars on the road... That was abotu the year of that Caddy, too. I'm slipping. I'd like to know more too! <L>

18th February 2007, 02:31 AM	#10
"DB" Gear nut Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 77	1st clue Remoteness is on the right track thinking of the "royalty" of remote recording. The picture was taken in 1979 behind Bearsville studios. __________________ "DB"

18th February 2007, 03:20 AM	#11
Remoteness Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 4,905	I want to say Fedco, but I don't remember that truck being painted blue... Come on DB, give us a few more hints -- keep them difficult, but lay a few on us my man! __________________ Steve Remote AuraSonicLtd.com the home of ASL Mobile & Location Production Remoteness on the Linkedin Network Remoteness on Myspace

18th February 2007, 05:20 PM	#12
woomanmoomin Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: London, England Posts: 1,024	I believe Thomas Edison used this to record The Grateful Dead.

18th February 2007, 08:01 PM	#13
Remoteness Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 4,905	Or maybe Henry Ford since it's a Ford truck. __________________ Steve Remote AuraSonicLtd.com the home of ASL Mobile & Location Production Remoteness on the Linkedin Network Remoteness on Myspace

19th February 2007, 08:42 AM	#15
"DB" Gear nut Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 77	Ok, an easy hint "Wait ! it's 6 o' clock in the morning! And we've recorded it all! And you're in it and we're in it, and that will be our third album. Thank you ..." __________________ "DB"

19th February 2007, 08:56 AM	#16
Remoteness Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 4,905	Man, I guess I didn't mean your hint should be "that" difficult. __________________ Steve Remote AuraSonicLtd.com the home of ASL Mobile & Location Production Remoteness on the Linkedin Network Remoteness on Myspace

19th February 2007, 09:53 AM	#17
"DB" Gear nut Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 77	Easier? The quote was said on March 13, 1971, a really great date in remote recording history, probably sounded a lot like this at the gig: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da1DpH6UjeI __________________ "DB"

19th February 2007, 11:30 AM	#18
Remoteness Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 4,905	See when I said AB I was sure it was him... With his buddy LD. Didn't they both have a remote truck at the time or was it later in time. I remember in the late 70s AB had the TV Music truck with a Harrison console from Scharff at the time... You're killin' me my man! What about Aaron Baron and Larry Dalhstrom? Great engineer's. Right? __________________ Steve Remote AuraSonicLtd.com the home of ASL Mobile & Location Production Remoteness on the Linkedin Network Remoteness on Myspace

21st February 2007, 07:21 AM	#20
yrplace Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 871	Thanks for the answer. I knew who it was but couldn't recall the name of the truck. Didn't it end up as part of Bearsville, but eventually they junked it? Mark Linett

22nd February 2007, 02:22 AM	#21
"DB" Gear nut Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 77	Sad, but true Yeah, Mark, that's true. I believe the last gig it ever did was at Frivilous Sal's in Poughkeepsie in the early '80's recording a band called "Breaker 1-9". __________________ "DB"

12th March 2007, 03:23 AM	#23
SarasotaSlim Gear interested Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: St. Pete-A-Bug, FLA Posts: 17	OK now that we've come this far and since I'm a big fan of that AB Filmore thing - What kind of recording board and equipment was in the truck?! __________________ http://www.SarasotaSlim.com

24th May 2007, 09:26 PM	#24
larold@socal.rr. Gear interested Join Date: May 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5	Location Recorders I was the assistant engineer on that truck with Larry and Aaron for several years while I lived in Bearsville, from 1971 to 1973 or so. We were parked outside Carnegie Hall for lots of recordings. I don't remember it being blue. I'd love to find those guys again. Lot's of great stories... Larold larold.com

24th May 2007, 09:45 PM	#25
Remoteness Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 4,905	Last time I checked Larry was running Madison Square Garden. __________________ Steve Remote AuraSonicLtd.com the home of ASL Mobile & Location Production Remoteness on the Linkedin Network Remoteness on Myspace

25th May 2007, 04:02 PM	#26
larold@socal.rr. Gear interested Join Date: May 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5	Thanks! I'll try to contact him.

25th May 2007, 05:18 PM	#27
Remoteness Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 4,905	Awesome! Send him my regards and direct him to this thread. I'm sure he would be pleased to read these posts. __________________ Steve Remote AuraSonicLtd.com the home of ASL Mobile & Location Production Remoteness on the Linkedin Network Remoteness on Myspace

27th May 2007, 07:10 AM	#28
larold@socal.rr. Gear interested Join Date: May 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5	More info: We also recorded: Live Simon (7 nights at Carnegie Hall with Paul Simon) Rod McKuen Josephine Baker Steve Allen Show Charlie Mingus all at Carnegie Hall. Lot's of other albums too, like the Fania All Stars at Yankee Stadium, Todd Rundgen at Wollman Rink, Sly & The Family Stone, Eagles there too. It was pretty amazing. I forget what we had in there, equipment-wise.

27th May 2007, 09:06 AM	#29
Berolzheimer Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: El Lay Posts: 1,977	Hey Larold, nice website. Impressive resume, too. __________________ Purveyor of fine sounds since 1961. My very incomplete IMDB list: My very incomplete IMDB list I'm all ears.

11th December 2007, 03:54 AM	#30
David Baron Gear interested Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: New York Posts: 7	Aaron Baron My dad, Aaron Baron, is sitting next to me at my house in Woodstock here in 2007. He wants to say he is still alive as is Larry, remarkably. They are both retired now but as cranky as ever. I asked him about his gear on the truck that did those records, here's what he said: Console was custom made with Quad 8 components designed by Bill Windsor. It was unusual in that it had 16 busses and 16 linear inputs and 8 rotary. The dual multitrack tape machines were both 3M 56's with 16-track head heads. He said "we never had 24 tracks". My dad says that 24 track sucked because you had to buy noise reduction...etc... They had one 2-track MCI custom built. Apparently, Larry and the gang built it themselves. The monitors were Altec 604e's with JBL bullets for extended high end. They were powered by Macintosh amps. The original truck only had 2 limiters - of the LA2 variety. The Allman Brother's live record used more inputs than they had (at that point they only had 16 inputs). The drums were submixed on two Shure M67 mixes with the exception of the kicks which went into the main console. BB King at Cook County Jail was recorded entirely on Shure microphones because they had excessive wind problems at the site. They tried a ton of their other mics and ended up with 57's with A2WS windscreens, SM5b, and a 58 for vocal. The microphone compliment during the early 70s included the Shure mics, U87s, 414, RE15 & 16s, Sony C37fet's, AKG 451's. If you have any questions or just want to say hello, my dad's email is: aabaron@comcast.net My dad got a big kick out of reading this stuff - thanks a lot. David

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