Getting your way, without everyone else realizing it....

Steve Smith · 8th October 2002, 04:53 AM

Steve,

One of the most fun things for me in the Flushing gig was watching you and your crew consistantly " convince" the other segments of the show that they should go your way, don't get me wrong, you were anything but selfish,You just " handled" the other factions beautifully, and made my job way easy in the process..

In a world with live audio, stage managers, lighting companies, union hands, artist relations, etc, this can be tough.. any tips on making everyone feel like they won?

**Remoteness** · 8th October 2002, 05:22 AM

Steve 2,

Don't you mean Steve 3?

IMO, if you give all you have and more to the production, band, client and crew, it's hard for anyone to say no to a good idea. At this point, they become the selfish ones if they answer "no". When they answer with a "yes" or "I'll try to do my best", everyone wins.

Sometimes, it's easier to get forgiveness, then a "yes" answer. If you know for sure it will benefit the production, you (sometimes) got to take chances to get it recorded.

Oh, and don't except a "no" answer from someone that cannot give you a "yes" answer.

9th October 2002, 12:48 AM

"don't except a "no" answer from someone that cannot give you a "yes" answer."

Very coolly put!

BrianT · 9th October 2002, 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Remoteness
Steve 2,

Oh, and don't except a "no" answer from someone that cannot give you a "yes" answer.

I agree, Jules. That statement borders on profound.

Brian T

9th October 2002, 02:34 AM

More than any of us here I suspect, Steve professionally HAS to get to the bottom of this question very QUICKLY - "who (the f**k) is REALLY in charge here"?

It's GOT to be a special skill set.

Krikes! Lord knows, studio cats dont interface tooooo well with FOH engineer cats..

Just saying "I am the bands engieeer / producer" can piss them off right away!

Personality = a big plus!

Agressive would have to be very low on the list....

- it's too high on mine.. sadly

Steve Smith · 9th October 2002, 02:42 AM

My personal fave is looking at the few hundred feet of AC feeder cable in the truck and hearing " well, couldn't we just tie in here, I only have 40 ' of feeder..." :)

Steve #3, you are the real deal!

Bob Olhsson · 10th October 2002, 01:31 AM

One of my best friends is one of the world's top location motion picture sound mixers. He may be the best person at this dance that I've ever seen. His secret seems to be knowing EVERYBODY ELSE'S job even better than they do. He makes them all look really great while getting his own way in the process.

**Remoteness** · 7th November 2002, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Steve Smith
My personal fave is looking at the few hundred feet of AC feeder cable in the truck and hearing " well, couldn't we just tie in here, I only have 40 ' of feeder..." :)

Steve #3, you are the real deal!

Steve #2,

I think it was 75'. We kind-of met half way (well, almost half).
They ran about 100' of feeder.

dean the dream · 1st February 2003, 04:30 PM

Perhaps the ideology is only worthwhile and centered in the essense of "Win-Win" if everyone involved is pleased with the outcome.

It is a difficult task to keep those around you happy while you are focused on getting things done.

Steve Smith · 19th February 2003, 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Remoteness
Steve #2,

I think it was 75'. We kind-of met half way (well, almost half).
They ran about 100' of feeder.

THEMIXFIX · 27th February 2003, 12:59 PM

Steve 3:

Sounds like the psychology of experience working, in order to help achive the best results for all those concerned, to me!!

NYC Drew · 27th February 2003, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bob Olhsson
One of my best friends is one of the world's top location motion picture sound mixers. He may be the best person at this dance that I've ever seen. His secret seems to be knowing EVERYBODY ELSE'S job even better than they do. He makes them all look really great while getting his own way in the process.

Any chance the guys initials are MF?

NYC Drew

Bob Olhsson · 28th February 2003, 04:59 AM

It's AW, Andy Wiskes.

I didn't know he was legendary until I took a seminar at USC and mentioned to the instructor that I was working for him on post projects. I lucked into learning film sound from one of the real masters.

David R. · 28th February 2003, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bob Olhsson
He makes them all look really great while getting his own way in the process.

Bob, this is the secret of life.

Musiclab · 1st August 2003, 10:20 PM

I've been pretty lucky in any of the situations I've been in like that. But my experience has been the FOH guys appreciated the help.

Quote:

Originally posted by Jules
More than any of us here I suspect, Steve professionally HAS to get to the bottom of this question very QUICKLY - "who (the f**k) is REALLY in charge here"?

It's GOT to be a special skill set.

Krikes! Lord knows, studio cats dont interface tooooo well with FOH engineer cats..

Just saying "I am the bands engieeer / producer" can piss them off right away!

Inky Goddess · 18th May 2004, 08:45 AM

The very best way to get your way is to make the other individual believe that your idea was their idea. I find that especially when dealing with men, this is the most expeditious method, hands down.

8th October 2002, 04:53 AM	#1
Steve Smith Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 1,394	Getting your way, without everyone else realizing it.... Steve, One of the most fun things for me in the Flushing gig was watching you and your crew consistantly " convince" the other segments of the show that they should go your way, don't get me wrong, you were anything but selfish,You just " handled" the other factions beautifully, and made my job way easy in the process.. In a world with live audio, stage managers, lighting companies, union hands, artist relations, etc, this can be tough.. any tips on making everyone feel like they won? __________________ Steve Smith - Unorignal, yet commonplace.

9th October 2002, 02:42 AM	#6
Steve Smith Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 1,394	My personal fave is looking at the few hundred feet of AC feeder cable in the truck and hearing " well, couldn't we just tie in here, I only have 40 ' of feeder..." :) Steve #3, you are the real deal! __________________ Steve Smith - Unorignal, yet commonplace.

10th October 2002, 01:31 AM	#7
Bob Olhsson Motown legend Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Songwriter Gulch, Nashville TN Posts: 5,271	One of my best friends is one of the world's top location motion picture sound mixers. He may be the best person at this dance that I've ever seen. His secret seems to be knowing EVERYBODY ELSE'S job even better than they do. He makes them all look really great while getting his own way in the process. __________________ Georgetown Masters 615 254-3233 Bob's room 615 385-8051 Music Industry 2.0

27th February 2003, 12:59 PM	#11
THEMIXFIX Gear Head Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NYC Area Posts: 65	Steve 3: Sounds like the psychology of experience working, in order to help achive the best results for all those concerned, to me!! __________________ Bob Buontempo; a.k.a. - THEMIXFIX Email: THEMIXFIX@AOL.COM Also hanging at: http://recpit.prosoundweb.com/

28th February 2003, 04:59 AM	#13
Bob Olhsson Motown legend Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Songwriter Gulch, Nashville TN Posts: 5,271	It's AW, Andy Wiskes. I didn't know he was legendary until I took a seminar at USC and mentioned to the instructor that I was working for him on post projects. I lucked into learning film sound from one of the real masters. __________________ Georgetown Masters 615 254-3233 Bob's room 615 385-8051 Music Industry 2.0

8th October 2002, 05:22 AM	#2
Remoteness Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 4,905	Steve 2, Don't you mean Steve 3? IMO, if you give all you have and more to the production, band, client and crew, it's hard for anyone to say no to a good idea. At this point, they become the selfish ones if they answer "no". When they answer with a "yes" or "I'll try to do my best", everyone wins. Sometimes, it's easier to get forgiveness, then a "yes" answer. If you know for sure it will benefit the production, you (sometimes) got to take chances to get it recorded. Oh, and don't except a "no" answer from someone that cannot give you a "yes" answer. __________________ Steve Remote AuraSonicLtd.com the home of ASL Mobile & Location Production Remoteness on the Linkedin Network Remoteness on Myspace

9th October 2002, 12:48 AM	#3
Jules Guest Posts: n/a	"don't except a "no" answer from someone that cannot give you a "yes" answer." Very coolly put!

9th October 2002, 02:34 AM	#5
Jules Guest Posts: n/a	More than any of us here I suspect, Steve professionally HAS to get to the bottom of this question very QUICKLY - "who (the f**k) is REALLY in charge here"? It's GOT to be a special skill set. Krikes! Lord knows, studio cats dont interface tooooo well with FOH engineer cats.. Just saying "I am the bands engieeer / producer" can piss them off right away! Personality = a big plus! Agressive would have to be very low on the list.... - it's too high on mine.. sadly

1st February 2003, 04:30 PM	#9
dean the dream Gear interested Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 14	Perhaps the ideology is only worthwhile and centered in the essense of "Win-Win" if everyone involved is pleased with the outcome. It is a difficult task to keep those around you happy while you are focused on getting things done.

18th May 2004, 08:45 AM	#16
Inky Goddess Gear nut Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 142	Fellas, let a lady tell ya how it's done... The very best way to get your way is to make the other individual believe that your idea was their idea. I find that especially when dealing with men, this is the most expeditious method, hands down. __________________ but then again...i'm just a girl~ Inky it is said that the lord works in mysterious ways; however, it benefits us more to proceed cautiously knowing that karma's behavior is perfectly predictable. ©2004 L.E. ( just quote me)

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