Was 50 Cent "Massacre" Was Recorded On 2inch Analog??

[Checkmate Muzik]

Just curious. Was the 50 Masscare album was recorded on 2inch? Doesnt sound like protools to me. The recording is incredible...

Anybody know what mics were used on 50? very clean recording..

[PhonoquO]

no 2"

good pres, good converters, good outboard and SSL into protools. 50 is generally recorded with sony c-800g i've heard.

[Checkmate Muzik]

No 2"? you sure bout that one..


we startin to use the same mic on our shit too. i luv that mic

[A Fak]

I read Dre used a c800 --> 1073 -> 1176 -> pro tools on get rich or die trying. Not 100% but he probably used the same (or similar) chain.

[djui5]

Originally Posted by Checkmate Muzik

i luv that mic

[youngkain]

Why does the album sound soo diffeent from all the other shit ? Its got that straight WARM Analog flava??? Is it the SSL?

[Checkmate Muzik]

Originally Posted by youngkain

Why does the album sound soo diffeent from all the other shit ? Its got that straight WARM Analog flava??? Is it the SSL?

exactly. i felt the same that the feel is very different from other records out there as far as the sound.

[PhonoquO]

dre's mastering from grundman plays a big part in his final product i think.

[beyarecords]

Originally Posted by A Fak

I read Dre used a c800 --> 1073 -> 1176 -> pro tools on get rich or die trying. Not 100% but he probably used the same (or similar) chain.

The exact chain that Dre used on 50, for 'In Da club' anyway, is specified here:

Backstage Lounge - How They Got That Sound

Signal Path: Tracking

"I like my vocals to sound 'crystal,'" says Dre. "I use the Sony C800-G for vocals because it has a clean sound and about 85% of the people that get behind it sound great. My main objective is that the vocal sound is present and clean and ultimately does not distort. I get the sound I want out of the EQ on the SSL. We've used it forever and have made many hits on it, including 50's 'In Da Club.'"

"We come from the Sony C800-G and out of that into the Neve 1073 mic pre," explains Vito. "We don't use the EQ, because most of the time it sounds good flat. If there's a need for it we'll engage it, but for 50 Cent on 'In Da Club' we didn't use any EQ. Then we took it out of the Neve mic pre into the Avalon 737-SP compressor. It's a mic pre with EQ, and it actually has a compressor, but we're not using any of the mic pre on the Avalon - we're just going straight into the line input. From the output of the Neve it goes into the line input of the Avalon, which allows you to use the compressor alone. We set the compression ratio around 7:1 and the threshold usually hovers at around 0. I set it at a medium attack and fast release. I'd say we're using around 3 or 4 dB of compression, sometimes up to 7 dB. On 'In Da Club' it was about 4 or 5. Then it comes back into the SSL 4000 G with E modules (at Encore Studio) and we bring it back on the insert.

"There's a patch on the patch bay that says 'insert return,'" he continues, "and that's where we bring the vocal back into the insert return, because it's the shortest patch before you actually hear the vocal. It has the least amount of circuitry of anything in the channel, so you're bypassing the EQ, the dynamics. You could use it all, but if you really want the shortest, cleanest signal, that's the way to go. Then we bus it out to Pro Tools HD and we use the small fader to send it to PT. That's about it."

[khameln]

Haha, that's funny about everyone complainng about the 737 compressor, and saying how they idolize Dre, and then here Dre is using it :D

[t.dizzle]

Originally Posted by PhonoquO

dre's mastering from grundman plays a big part in his final product i think.

Nope.

[t.dizzle]

Originally Posted by khameln

Haha, that's funny about everyone complainng about the 737 compressor

Who's "everyone"? The 737 is probably the single most widely used channel strip ever.

[NesNeedsGear]

"threshold around 0"???? isn't that just using it as a limiter instead?

is that overdriving the compressor by 4db (or whatever reduction they went for)??
is that signal too hot or what?

anyone care to chime in on this?

[STARSKI]

threshold around 0 wouldn't make it a limiter. the ratio would make it a limiter, also those settings work for that particular situation with different vocalist etc you would have to adjust to work.

[NesNeedsGear]

Originally Posted by STARSKI

threshold around 0 wouldn't make it a limiter. the ratio would make it a limiter, also those settings work for that particular situation with different vocalist etc you would have to adjust to work.

ahh, i gotcha. infinity:1 would make it a limiter.
guess i just misunderstood what they did.
thanks.

[upscaps]

Originally Posted by Checkmate Muzik

exactly. i felt the same that the feel is very different from other records out there as far as the sound.

Engineers who have braced new technology have learned how to make it do what it do. Alot of massacre was recoded in 50's crib. Dre hasnt used 2" in years. BIG life after death was incredible off of 48 trk 1" digital.

2" not the be all and end all of sound. analog tape can sound horrible if all the proper conditions r not met

[khameln]

Originally Posted by t.dizzle

Who's "everyone"? The 737 is probably the single most widely used channel strip ever.

That's what I say. However, If you search the 737 on this forum and others, you wil see that the unit (and *especially* the compressor) receives buckets of hate.

[The Byre]

Originally Posted by upscaps

Engineers who have braced new technology have learned how to make it do what it do. Alot of massacre was recoded in 50's crib. Dre hasnt used 2" in years. BIG life after death was incredible off of 48 trk 1" digital.

2" not the be all and end all of sound. analog tape can sound horrible if all the proper conditions r not met

Just four years ago, Dre was compaining about ProTools and said that he tried it once and hated it!

What happened?

[filterayok]

i think what happened was dre stopped being as "hands on" as he used to be, and just hired people to do the shit for him... can't say for sure, but does anybody have PROOF that dre is still hands on??? i just don't see someone at his level concerning himself at all with any technical aspect of the productions...could b wrong

[Checkmate Muzik]

Originally Posted by upscaps

Engineers who have braced new technology have learned how to make it do what it do. Alot of massacre was recoded in 50's crib. Dre hasnt used 2" in years. BIG life after death was incredible off of 48 trk 1" digital.

2" not the be all and end all of sound. analog tape can sound horrible if all the proper conditions r not met

LIFE AFTER DEATH. THATS MY FAVORITE ALBUM AS FAR AS MIXES. THE BEST SOUND I EVA HEARD. EVERY KICK N SNARE HAD SUCH A FAT, MEATY SOUND.

[Bjack37781]

it was recorded through a ssl 4000 g series into pro-tools....