My Vocal Chain

InsaneMixaken · 22nd November 2006, 03:27 PM

If anyone can give me any advice on my current setup for the best possible vocal sound this is what Im using now. U87 >Avalon 737>Waves Desser>Waves C4>Waves Ren Eq.......Im just wondering is this the best it gets with my set up I got or am I doin something wrong...thanx for your help you can download a snipp of my sound here.
http://download.yousendit.com/D3BC568D35A44690

NesNeedsGear · 22nd November 2006, 04:08 PM

too many plug-ins usually (99.9% of the time) do more harm than good.

Have your artists record some S's, and F's, and some very sibilant words (ahem...."excessive sex is so necessary"

)...analyze the frequency of their sibilant words, then use your fave EQ plug to shape the vocal and de-ess it like that.

One less plug-in in the mix is almost always a plus.

psycho_monkey · 22nd November 2006, 09:49 PM

Agreed less is more regarding plugins, but eq-ing and de-essing aren't the same thing. De-essing is dynamic (ie only kicks in when a particular frequency reaches the threshold, like a compressor) - EQing out that frequency might adversely affect the rest of the vocal tone.

Better advice would be to

a) look at the capture - de-essing should ideally be a fix not standard practice. If you're regularly needing to de-ess look at your recording chain - 87s and Avalons can be over harsh on certain voices.

b) level ride the vocal, ducking it down for offending Sssess.

Hope that helps.

IPLayHamers · 27th November 2006, 12:07 AM

Get rid of the Avalon and get a UA 610 and a 1176 or LA2A. I never cared for the Avalon sound. Too clinical. No character. Everyone uses it.

The U87 into the 610 is amazing. If your gonna use compression plugins the Bomb Factory LA2A is very good.

IPH

TLMUSIC · 27th November 2006, 12:57 PM

I wouldn't get rid of the Avalon - i think it's a great box - especially for the money - too many haters man - vocal sounding good, i agree with the first post, just try not to process to much itb - peace

InsaneMixaken · 27th November 2006, 04:06 PM

thanx Ill do some tweeking on my chain

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22nd November 2006, 03:27 PM	#1
InsaneMixaken Gear nut Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 149	My Vocal Chain If anyone can give me any advice on my current setup for the best possible vocal sound this is what Im using now. U87 >Avalon 737>Waves Desser>Waves C4>Waves Ren Eq.......Im just wondering is this the best it gets with my set up I got or am I doin something wrong...thanx for your help you can download a snipp of my sound here. http://download.yousendit.com/D3BC568D35A44690 __________________ INSANEMIXAKEN.COM VIOLATOR ALL STAR DJ'S http://www.myspace.com/insanemixaken1 Sirius Satellite Radio Hip Hop Nation Channel 40 Violator Radio Channel 40 Superadio

22nd November 2006, 09:49 PM	#3
psycho_monkey Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: London Posts: 2,688	yes but Agreed less is more regarding plugins, but eq-ing and de-essing aren't the same thing. De-essing is dynamic (ie only kicks in when a particular frequency reaches the threshold, like a compressor) - EQing out that frequency might adversely affect the rest of the vocal tone. Better advice would be to a) look at the capture - de-essing should ideally be a fix not standard practice. If you're regularly needing to de-ess look at your recording chain - 87s and Avalons can be over harsh on certain voices. b) level ride the vocal, ducking it down for offending Sssess. Hope that helps.

27th November 2006, 04:06 PM	#6
InsaneMixaken Gear nut Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 149	thanx Ill do some tweeking on my chain __________________ INSANEMIXAKEN.COM VIOLATOR ALL STAR DJ'S http://www.myspace.com/insanemixaken1 Sirius Satellite Radio Hip Hop Nation Channel 40 Violator Radio Channel 40 Superadio

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22nd November 2006, 04:08 PM	#2
NesNeedsGear Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 540	too many plug-ins usually (99.9% of the time) do more harm than good. Have your artists record some S's, and F's, and some very sibilant words (ahem...."excessive sex is so necessary" )...analyze the frequency of their sibilant words, then use your fave EQ plug to shape the vocal and de-ess it like that. One less plug-in in the mix is almost always a plus.

27th November 2006, 12:07 AM	#4
IPLayHamers Gear maniac Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Silver Spring, MD Posts: 183	Get rid of the Avalon and get a UA 610 and a 1176 or LA2A. I never cared for the Avalon sound. Too clinical. No character. Everyone uses it. The U87 into the 610 is amazing. If your gonna use compression plugins the Bomb Factory LA2A is very good. IPH

27th November 2006, 12:57 PM	#5
TLMUSIC Gear addict Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 344	I wouldn't get rid of the Avalon - i think it's a great box - especially for the money - too many haters man - vocal sounding good, i agree with the first post, just try not to process to much itb - peace