Fruity Loops Plucked Logic, Reason Heads

nymortgagepro · 26th October 2006, 08:28 PM

I've been working on some Reggaeton stuff and this artist I work with swears that fruity was the best thing in the world for Reggaeton.

I had messed around with it years ago and I figured it couldnt hurt to have the program on my pc for when I get bored at work.

I loaded it last night and It's ok.

I really like reason better I think I can produce the drums on reason just as good.

The question is fruity loops has that plucked program it sounds although cliche it sounds really good on reaggaeton

is there anyway to get that sound on a guitar in reason or in Logic Pro 7

gsilbers · 26th October 2006, 08:57 PM

what is that plucky thing you r talking about? anything in FL will be in logic pro and most likly in reason. maybe is the principle of synthesis u should be digging some more.
cause at the end of the day, that pluvky thingy -whatever that is- is just a sound molded with synthesis, easysily imitabable in any other synth or sampler.

is its pluky then by definition it means its whataver sound with the amp envelope with a fast attack and fast decay with no sustain or release.

by the way, most hits in regeton ARE made with fruty loops!
that shakira song with alejandro sanz was made with FL!
my friend worked for that album assisting mixing, thats how i know, he couldnt believe it either.

nymortgagepro · 26th October 2006, 09:37 PM

It's an apreggiator in the FL software that gives this hard bachata sounding pluck sound. It's not a matter of synthesis. I can find the sounds 10 times over in my software it's just I cant get them to be manipulated in that manor.

cynic · 26th October 2006, 10:34 PM

the guys who make the PLUCK generator made a VST standalone waaaay back. i have the DLL somewhere but i'm not sure where.

it's made by the guys who make the ORION sequencer.

http://www.synapse-audio.com/plucked.php

their VSTI scorpion is pretty ballsy too.

ps: FL studio kills reason! :)

nymortgagepro · 26th October 2006, 11:09 PM

ps: FL studio kills reason! :)[/quote]

thanks for that! I hope I can get sometype of wrapper to run that vst in logic.

Do you really think it kills reason? Reason is pretty powerful as far a synthesis goes. I have sounds on reason that I don't think could ever have been achieved with fruity loops. I think redrum is pretty insane and the sequencing capabilities are pretty good.

I think that's a bold statement. I think fruity loops is very intuitive and easy to learn. I had the program for about 4 minutes and I made a decent sounding beat.

as far as the sequencer goes I think fruity loops has a very good swing

I think reason is a pretty good app. I understand what a lot of guys say about sound quality, I think a lot of the factory sounds are not sampled properly but as far as libraries out there. I have some sounds that are so amazing someone asked if I was abducted by aliens and was given those sounds on a space ship.

Im going to florida for a week so I have FL stuido 6 on my laptop. I'm probably going to be messing with it all week.

Any key techniques or synths?

cynic · 26th October 2006, 11:24 PM

honestly i don't use a lot of the built in shit on FL as sound generators go. i'm a big VST fan - and use 3 external sound sources with it. i just love it for its sequencing and ease of use. it's dope how you can sculpt your sound.

the huge knock on FL is that people use it with the 'stock' sounds, or stock synths. that's not where it shines.

the sequencer is really easy, swings well, and offers a lot of tricks that others don't. the piano roll's quantize is really smooth and customizable, as is the piano roll editing features. i've tried logic, use SX regularly, and FL kills them both imho as far as sequencing goes...

the sampler channel...

it remains simple but powerful. it's so easy to go along and build up a track. combine that with the layer channel and you're really killin em - especially for drums.

it's got cool filters, nice timestretching options, delay, etc......and it's all automatable! so easy to freak your samples and turn them into whatever you want with this thing.

as far as built in generators go...

slicer - nuff said. i use this thing on everything! you can drag sliced channels out to individual sampler channels for more tweaking.

the 404 - is ok for bass, because you can automate the shit out of it. a lot of the dubstep guys in the UK use it to good effect.

the plucked - as you know - is cool for reggaeton. i've gotten nice results by running it through guitar rig or uad nigel.

wave traveller is really cool, and good for more fx than just scratching....

fl keys is a nice little piano that can make due if you don't have a rhodes around...again depends on how you process it

automation....

one thing the rest of the sequencing world hasn't figured out is the way FL handles controllers. you can link ANY vst parameter or FL parameter to a knob on your hardware with 1-2 clicks.

with fl stuff, you right-click and choose 'link to controller', then wiggle the knob you want it linked to. done! with VST stuff, you tweak the control on screen, then go to the VST menu (in the titlebar of the vst window) and choose "last tweaked parameter -> link to controller"...(i'm forgetting the exact wording).

on top of that, you can link MULTIPLE params to 1 knob, and plug in a math formula of how you want them to respond! so like you could have 2 params linked to one knob. one goes up when you turn up the knob, the other goes down........trip on that for a minute!

this isn't even getting into the FL peak controller or FL formula controller......i could write pages on both of em. lets just say they give you even more control than the stuff i wrote about above. imagine for a minute being able to link numerous LFOs or even the audio signal of another synth to control the EQ on your kick...or reverb send amount, or whatever............it's almost like a crazy powerful modular synth

resampling

.......my favorite topic! i do a ton of resampling. you ever build your drum loop up, bass, whatever, then want to chop/reuse that? easy! you can bounce down your files, bring em right back in FL from the browser on the left, then chop/freak your own performance.

.......don't mean to sound like an infomercial or anything, but i really think a lot of people knock it without knowing how powerful it is....

doubledecker · 27th October 2006, 12:23 AM

You're right.Thank God they changed the name to FL 6, cos i myself have had problem trying "Fruity Loops".
It's one of the best kept secrets in audio, FL 6 is.
Things you can do with it is mind boggling.
Everything is right there.Everything is possible.Some of the stuff is outrageous.
Sampler,slicer,sidechaining,multiple track export,automation is stuff that im still waiting for in my Cubase sx.Thats all in FL and works like a charm.
And the price is

gsilbers · 27th October 2006, 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nymortgagepro

It's an apreggiator in the FL software that gives this hard bachata sounding pluck sound. It's not a matter of synthesis. I can find the sounds 10 times over in my software it's just I cant get them to be manipulated in that manor.

the hard bachata sound youre talking about is from a requinto. and a arppegiator is just a small sequencer. u can draw the notes in logics midi keyboard editor and tweek the EXS setting to have fast atack and fast decay.

you can do that also in reasons sampler atached to a matrix and draw the pattern.
either way there is no such thing as FL doing something that reason doenst (except recording audio)or logic this and FL not etc. its just different ways of doing the same thing. its still under synthesis. a sound source this time is a sample, other times is an oscilator, amp envelope, filter envelope, and note on and off , this time the arppegiator.

its whatever u like the best. you dont like the name fruity loops, then use reason.
there have been more pro things produced by reason but never the less, FL will do the same. reason has been around for 20 years so that and its marketing is the reason people use it more. also a name like fruity loops doesnt help

sardi · 27th October 2006, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gsilbers

reason has been around for 20 years so that and its marketing is the reason people use it more.

WTF??

ElMosca · 28th October 2006, 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nymortgagepro

It's an apreggiator in the FL software that gives this hard bachata sounding pluck sound. It's not a matter of synthesis. I can find the sounds 10 times over in my software it's just I cant get them to be manipulated in that manor.

I am not that familiar with the reggaeton cliches, so I'm not sure what this specific sound is, but Dr.Rex will let you do some pretty crazy stuff with loops. The challenge is if the sounds you seek aren't available in REX format and you don't own Recycle.

Can you provide references to the "pluck sound" in recordings I may find in the iTunes store, please? Now I'm intrigued.

Best,
Aldo

nymortgagepro · 28th October 2006, 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElMosca

Can you provide references to the "pluck sound" in recordings I may find in the iTunes store, please? Now I'm intrigued.

Best,
Aldo

Pobre Diabla is by Don Omar is a good song for that type of sound.

I have recycle but it's more of the swing of appregiator in FL that gives it the sound.

That was my main question. if reason or logic had appreggio settins like FL's plucked

ElMosca · 28th October 2006, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Me

Can you provide references to the "pluck sound"

Quote:

Originally Posted by nymortgagepro

Pobre Diabla is by Don Omar is a good song for that type of sound.

Ah, I see. No. Reason doesn't have an arpeggiator, per se, but you can approximate one by plugging the Note CV output of a Matrix sequencer to the Pitch Modulation input of a synth ("Modulation Pitch" on the Malstrom, "OSC Pitch" on everything else). You draw your notes in the Matrix, turn the knob next to the OSC Pitch input up on the back of the synth, and then play single sustained notes. The Matrix will modulate each note according to its pattern. Let me know if you'd like a sample .rns to illustrate.

In the meantime, I tried approximating the "pluck sound" with my guitar and Recycle. I changed the extension of the file to "aif" to bypass the forum's restrictions, but it NOT an aiff file. It really is a rex file, so the first thing you ought to do is rename it back to have the "rx2" extension). When you load the attached file into Dr.Rex, you should try raising the pitch by one octave (using "OCT" knob in the OSC Pitch section on the front of the Dr.Rex) to make it into a high-pitched mandolin/tres/cuatro/whathaveyou type of sound.

Have fun,
++aldo

-PUMA- · 26th January 2007, 04:11 PM

Hi ElMosca,

I have been using FL since its 1st versions, and i love it's appregiator, which I've missed in Reason. Please do post a sample .rsn file, I can't wait to hear it done in Reason!

Thank you! :]

jazzy655 · 26th January 2007, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cynic

honestly i don't use a lot of the built in shit on FL as sound generators go. i'm a big VST fan - and use 3 external sound sources with it. i just love it for its sequencing and ease of use. it's dope how you can sculpt your sound.

the huge knock on FL is that people use it with the 'stock' sounds, or stock synths. that's not where it shines.

the sequencer is really easy, swings well, and offers a lot of tricks that others don't. the piano roll's quantize is really smooth and customizable, as is the piano roll editing features. i've tried logic, use SX regularly, and FL kills them both imho as far as sequencing goes...

the sampler channel...

it remains simple but powerful. it's so easy to go along and build up a track. combine that with the layer channel and you're really killin em - especially for drums.

it's got cool filters, nice timestretching options, delay, etc......and it's all automatable! so easy to freak your samples and turn them into whatever you want with this thing.

as far as built in generators go...

slicer - nuff said. i use this thing on everything! you can drag sliced channels out to individual sampler channels for more tweaking.

the 404 - is ok for bass, because you can automate the shit out of it. a lot of the dubstep guys in the UK use it to good effect.

the plucked - as you know - is cool for reggaeton. i've gotten nice results by running it through guitar rig or uad nigel.

wave traveller is really cool, and good for more fx than just scratching....

fl keys is a nice little piano that can make due if you don't have a rhodes around...again depends on how you process it

automation....

one thing the rest of the sequencing world hasn't figured out is the way FL handles controllers. you can link ANY vst parameter or FL parameter to a knob on your hardware with 1-2 clicks.

with fl stuff, you right-click and choose 'link to controller', then wiggle the knob you want it linked to. done! with VST stuff, you tweak the control on screen, then go to the VST menu (in the titlebar of the vst window) and choose "last tweaked parameter -> link to controller"...(i'm forgetting the exact wording).

on top of that, you can link MULTIPLE params to 1 knob, and plug in a math formula of how you want them to respond! so like you could have 2 params linked to one knob. one goes up when you turn up the knob, the other goes down........trip on that for a minute!

this isn't even getting into the FL peak controller or FL formula controller......i could write pages on both of em. lets just say they give you even more control than the stuff i wrote about above. imagine for a minute being able to link numerous LFOs or even the audio signal of another synth to control the EQ on your kick...or reverb send amount, or whatever............it's almost like a crazy powerful modular synth

resampling

.......my favorite topic! i do a ton of resampling. you ever build your drum loop up, bass, whatever, then want to chop/reuse that? easy! you can bounce down your files, bring em right back in FL from the browser on the left, then chop/freak your own performance.

.......don't mean to sound like an infomercial or anything, but i really think a lot of people knock it without knowing how powerful it is....

yo man. do you think you can give me some help with quantize in fruity. i'm use to working on hardware, and am switching to fruity because i love the ease of it, but quantize is the thing thats giving me the most trouble.

for example, is there no input quantize? as in, like on hardware, i can setup my quantize settings, and record a section and the sequencer automatically quantizes what i just recorded according to my pre setup settings? ya'know what i mean?

and man are these "groove templates" giving me a hard time. it's just a different world from what i'm use to.

thanks for any help man

halfguard · 26th January 2007, 05:11 PM

i prefer fl to reason (even though i dont use either) just for the engine. fl has a good sounding engine and the one reason well, you know......reason has a lot of great tools but i just cant get over the sound.......

day-go · 26th January 2007, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by halfguard

i prefer fl to reason (even though i dont use either) just for the engine. fl has a good sounding engine and the one reason well, you know......reason has a lot of great tools but i just cant get over the sound.......

yeah, with the right plugs it can sound as good as anything. and imho its a lot easier to use (but then again i didn't start out using analog gear). i had this aversion to fl for awhile because its what i started with, and all my early beats sounded like shit. turns out that was entirely my fault, not the software's

Samplecraze · 26th January 2007, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by halfguard

i prefer fl to reason (even though i dont use either) just for the engine. fl has a good sounding engine and the one reason well, you know......reason has a lot of great tools but i just cant get over the sound.......

Rewire it through a host application like Cubase etc, then listen to it again.

halfguard · 26th January 2007, 07:40 PM

listen to what you are saying..if you use it with something else , it will sound good. your admitting that it doesnt really sound good on its own. it has the weakest engine of all the popular softsynths. i used it for about a year rewired into pro tools. i just dont like it the sound. ill use it occasionally but i might not open it for months at a time. i even have a bunch of the sonic reality refils for it. if i do use it, it will be for some strings or a combinator patch.....never for drums, but thats just me.........to each his own........

XHipHop · 26th January 2007, 08:31 PM

http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4079

Reggaeton Refill for Reason. Just announced at Namm.

cynic · 26th January 2007, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jazzy655

yo man. do you think you can give me some help with quantize in fruity. i'm use to working on hardware, and am switching to fruity because i love the ease of it, but quantize is the thing thats giving me the most trouble.

for example, is there no input quantize? as in, like on hardware, i can setup my quantize settings, and record a section and the sequencer automatically quantizes what i just recorded according to my pre setup settings? ya'know what i mean?

and man are these "groove templates" giving me a hard time. it's just a different world from what i'm use to.

thanks for any help man

yeah don't quote me on this - but i believe if you set your SNAP settings to a certain value (for that piano roll, or perhaps the global snap), then record your part it will be auto-quantized to that snap setting.

gsilbers · 26th January 2007, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nymortgagepro

I've been working on some Reggaeton stuff and this artist I work with swears that fruity was the best thing in the world for Reggaeton.

I had messed around with it years ago and I figured it couldnt hurt to have the program on my pc for when I get bored at work.

I loaded it last night and It's ok.

I really like reason better I think I can produce the drums on reason just as good.

The question is fruity loops has that plucked program it sounds although cliche it sounds really good on reaggaeton

is there anyway to get that sound on a guitar in reason or in Logic Pro 7

your friend is right. not becuase its better, but because its the one being used for regeton. its like the MPC for rap, it wont make your track sound any better but like part of the culture.

my friend worked for the shakira album that has that famous regeton track and they called THE regeton artist of the moment to produce it from pto rico,
they came with their equipment and my friend was impressed by how crappy gear they had. it was an old clone PC with fruity loops and thats what they used.
its not about the gear. but i guess FL has more of the pattern creation like REdrum.plus they use their own samples like multisampling a requinto or getting kicks and drums from rap albums

gsilbers · 26th January 2007, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nymortgagepro

is there anyway to get that sound on a guitar in reason or in Logic Pro 7

EXS you can shorten the decay and sustain and no release. basically thats the definition of plucky sound.
fast atak, semi fast decay and no sustain and no release. on any instrument. try it on the ES2 on the ethnic presets.

jazzy655 · 26th January 2007, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cynic

yeah don't quote me on this - but i believe if you set your SNAP settings to a certain value (for that piano roll, or perhaps the global snap), then record your part it will be auto-quantized to that snap setting.

thanks for the reply. i think once i got that working, but couldn't figure out how to have it auto quantize with swing. god i wish it just had % values for the swing like hardware and most daws instead of the knob

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26th October 2006, 08:28 PM	#1
nymortgagepro Gear nut Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 110	Fruity Loops Plucked Logic, Reason Heads I've been working on some Reggaeton stuff and this artist I work with swears that fruity was the best thing in the world for Reggaeton. I had messed around with it years ago and I figured it couldnt hurt to have the program on my pc for when I get bored at work. I loaded it last night and It's ok. I really like reason better I think I can produce the drums on reason just as good. The question is fruity loops has that plucked program it sounds although cliche it sounds really good on reaggaeton is there anyway to get that sound on a guitar in reason or in Logic Pro 7

26th October 2006, 10:34 PM	#4
cynic Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: san jose, califas Posts: 1,953	the guys who make the PLUCK generator made a VST standalone waaaay back. i have the DLL somewhere but i'm not sure where. it's made by the guys who make the ORION sequencer. http://www.synapse-audio.com/plucked.php their VSTI scorpion is pretty ballsy too. ps: FL studio kills reason! :) __________________ damaged goods - beyond repair, cd out now damaged goods - myspace page flying brick records clout online

26th October 2006, 11:24 PM	#6
cynic Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: san jose, califas Posts: 1,953	honestly i don't use a lot of the built in shit on FL as sound generators go. i'm a big VST fan - and use 3 external sound sources with it. i just love it for its sequencing and ease of use. it's dope how you can sculpt your sound. the huge knock on FL is that people use it with the 'stock' sounds, or stock synths. that's not where it shines. the sequencer is really easy, swings well, and offers a lot of tricks that others don't. the piano roll's quantize is really smooth and customizable, as is the piano roll editing features. i've tried logic, use SX regularly, and FL kills them both imho as far as sequencing goes... the sampler channel... it remains simple but powerful. it's so easy to go along and build up a track. combine that with the layer channel and you're really killin em - especially for drums. it's got cool filters, nice timestretching options, delay, etc......and it's all automatable! so easy to freak your samples and turn them into whatever you want with this thing. as far as built in generators go... slicer - nuff said. i use this thing on everything! you can drag sliced channels out to individual sampler channels for more tweaking. the 404 - is ok for bass, because you can automate the shit out of it. a lot of the dubstep guys in the UK use it to good effect. the plucked - as you know - is cool for reggaeton. i've gotten nice results by running it through guitar rig or uad nigel. wave traveller is really cool, and good for more fx than just scratching.... fl keys is a nice little piano that can make due if you don't have a rhodes around...again depends on how you process it automation.... one thing the rest of the sequencing world hasn't figured out is the way FL handles controllers. you can link ANY vst parameter or FL parameter to a knob on your hardware with 1-2 clicks. with fl stuff, you right-click and choose 'link to controller', then wiggle the knob you want it linked to. done! with VST stuff, you tweak the control on screen, then go to the VST menu (in the titlebar of the vst window) and choose "last tweaked parameter -> link to controller"...(i'm forgetting the exact wording). on top of that, you can link MULTIPLE params to 1 knob, and plug in a math formula of how you want them to respond! so like you could have 2 params linked to one knob. one goes up when you turn up the knob, the other goes down........trip on that for a minute! this isn't even getting into the FL peak controller or FL formula controller......i could write pages on both of em. lets just say they give you even more control than the stuff i wrote about above. imagine for a minute being able to link numerous LFOs or even the audio signal of another synth to control the EQ on your kick...or reverb send amount, or whatever............it's almost like a crazy powerful modular synth resampling .......my favorite topic! i do a ton of resampling. you ever build your drum loop up, bass, whatever, then want to chop/reuse that? easy! you can bounce down your files, bring em right back in FL from the browser on the left, then chop/freak your own performance. .......don't mean to sound like an infomercial or anything, but i really think a lot of people knock it without knowing how powerful it is.... __________________ damaged goods - beyond repair, cd out now damaged goods - myspace page flying brick records clout online

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26th October 2006, 08:57 PM	#2
gsilbers Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,365	what is that plucky thing you r talking about? anything in FL will be in logic pro and most likly in reason. maybe is the principle of synthesis u should be digging some more. cause at the end of the day, that pluvky thingy -whatever that is- is just a sound molded with synthesis, easysily imitabable in any other synth or sampler. is its pluky then by definition it means its whataver sound with the amp envelope with a fast attack and fast decay with no sustain or release. by the way, most hits in regeton ARE made with fruty loops! that shakira song with alejandro sanz was made with FL! my friend worked for that album assisting mixing, thats how i know, he couldnt believe it either.

26th October 2006, 09:37 PM	#3
nymortgagepro Gear nut Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 110	It's an apreggiator in the FL software that gives this hard bachata sounding pluck sound. It's not a matter of synthesis. I can find the sounds 10 times over in my software it's just I cant get them to be manipulated in that manor.

26th October 2006, 11:09 PM	#5
nymortgagepro Gear nut Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 110	ps: FL studio kills reason! :)[/quote] thanks for that! I hope I can get sometype of wrapper to run that vst in logic. Do you really think it kills reason? Reason is pretty powerful as far a synthesis goes. I have sounds on reason that I don't think could ever have been achieved with fruity loops. I think redrum is pretty insane and the sequencing capabilities are pretty good. I think that's a bold statement. I think fruity loops is very intuitive and easy to learn. I had the program for about 4 minutes and I made a decent sounding beat. as far as the sequencer goes I think fruity loops has a very good swing I think reason is a pretty good app. I understand what a lot of guys say about sound quality, I think a lot of the factory sounds are not sampled properly but as far as libraries out there. I have some sounds that are so amazing someone asked if I was abducted by aliens and was given those sounds on a space ship. Im going to florida for a week so I have FL stuido 6 on my laptop. I'm probably going to be messing with it all week. Any key techniques or synths?

27th October 2006, 12:23 AM	#7
doubledecker Gear addict Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 385	You're right.Thank God they changed the name to FL 6, cos i myself have had problem trying "Fruity Loops". It's one of the best kept secrets in audio, FL 6 is. Things you can do with it is mind boggling. Everything is right there.Everything is possible.Some of the stuff is outrageous. Sampler,slicer,sidechaining,multiple track export,automation is stuff that im still waiting for in my Cubase sx.Thats all in FL and works like a charm. And the price is

26th January 2007, 04:11 PM	#13
-PUMA- Gear interested Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1	Hi ElMosca, I have been using FL since its 1st versions, and i love it's appregiator, which I've missed in Reason. Please do post a sample .rsn file, I can't wait to hear it done in Reason! Thank you! :]

26th January 2007, 05:11 PM	#15
halfguard Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: south fla Posts: 1,007	i prefer fl to reason (even though i dont use either) just for the engine. fl has a good sounding engine and the one reason well, you know......reason has a lot of great tools but i just cant get over the sound.......

26th January 2007, 07:40 PM	#18
halfguard Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: south fla Posts: 1,007	listen to what you are saying..if you use it with something else , it will sound good. your admitting that it doesnt really sound good on its own. it has the weakest engine of all the popular softsynths. i used it for about a year rewired into pro tools. i just dont like it the sound. ill use it occasionally but i might not open it for months at a time. i even have a bunch of the sonic reality refils for it. if i do use it, it will be for some strings or a combinator patch.....never for drums, but thats just me.........to each his own........

26th January 2007, 08:31 PM	#19
XHipHop Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,022	http://www.sonicstate.com/news/shownews.cfm?newsid=4079 Reggaeton Refill for Reason. Just announced at Namm.