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6th September 2006, 03:05 PM
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| Lives for gear  Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: south fla
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| what mics hang updise down? i was just curious. i always see the big studios and their mics are upside down. are some mics better like this or is this a fashion statement? man my typing is bad........................................ |
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6th September 2006, 03:19 PM
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| mostly tube mics are hung upside down so that the heat generated by the base containing the tube part (heat rises) doesn't come in contact with the capsule/diaphragm. J.D.
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6th September 2006, 03:26 PM
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| Gear maniac  Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Olympia, WA/Anch, AK
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 |  Only the most cashflow mics go upside down. IF IT AINT GOT A GOLD GRILL HANG THAT SHIT IN A SHOCKMOUNT WITH YOUR MOTHERS CHINA SET. |
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6th September 2006, 03:57 PM
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| It also reduces reflections from the mic stand. I always thought that was the main reason. |
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6th September 2006, 04:06 PM
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| Lives for gear  Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Basel, Switzerland
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| It just looks better/ more professional. I always hang my 414 B-ULS upside down. During the last vocal sessions we also tried it the other way round and it sounded worse, mojo??
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6th September 2006, 04:37 PM
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With the mic in the 'upside down' state, you're right. The heat generated by the tube goes away in the air. In all honesty, you WANT the heat to go past the capsule, so condensation from heavy breathing doesn't cause a short between the front and back capsule. Having mics upside down, is genereally because it makes it easier to position over a music stand. That, and you see it like that in rap music videos!!! | |
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6th September 2006, 05:22 PM
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| like they said, tube mics are hung upside down b/c of the rising heat from the tube. other than that, can't think of another reason. |
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6th September 2006, 05:28 PM
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| Gear nut Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: NYC
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| I've been experimenting quite a bit with this exact difference. My vote is for mic'ing from below. It might not look as cool as micing from abaove but there are some valid benifits. When mic'ing from below, I found that the tone was a little brighter, airier. I liked it. though there are circumstances where the darker tone might be preferable. better visibility of music stand if necessary as well as eye contact with artist/producer. (YOUR EYES ARE ABOVE YOUR MOUTH, so it makes perfect sense mic below, lyrics above) Boom stand is more stable at a lower position. I've been micing at an angle from below. These experiments were done with a Neuman M149, Avalon 737 or Great River ME-INV Cheers, Charlie |
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6th September 2006, 05:56 PM
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| Gear addict Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Portland Oregon
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| Gravity--hUaH-- gotta hold a me! and my microphone. Why don't we see upside-down end-addressed microphones in "Yo! MTV RASPS!" ? Maybe only to pick up MJ's dancing feet? Caution: sound engineering is not easily learned from record sleeves or music videos. Capacitor microphones without tubes don't make much heat (except for that EV model with a heater, was it RE-1000?), but tube models do get a little warm. This makes a difference when recording in a damp shed. Most studios with HVAC keep a temp/humidity combination and stability such that breath evaporates before it causes trouble with microphones (unless you are actually breathing on the capsule with the cover off, or are a mouth-sprayer without a filter) that are allowed to dry before being boxed up. GS has a great feature called "search" where you look at previous posts on the topic you are interested in. Look for it near the top of the page. I'd also recommend buying/reading some textbooks on microphones, studio recording techniques, and electronic theory. SEARCH and you will find. Maybe, you'll buy some from me through Amazon.com. Hey nickp, where do I get one of those "cashflow" LDC's with the fake-gold-plated screen? Are you the N. Am. dealer? :-) Cheers. Karl |
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7th September 2006, 12:58 AM
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Yes I be runnin operation GOLDCASH, FLOWCASH, MICSTASH which means I'm the dealer. Sell them out my tunk. Buy four mixtapes get'a free mic. Portland's near Oly DRIVE UP DAT I-5 NONSENSE AND GET'IT. Nah, it's actually just an ass-ugly MXL V67 I recently bought, and from the reviews I've read it's actually a damn-good cond. mic for $99. I'm not too technical but I think it sounds good. | |
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7th September 2006, 02:38 AM
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| I keep mine sideways and backwards to look cool.
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7th September 2006, 04:24 AM
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| hey rufus, thanx for the help. your name is perfect for you. thanx for your enlightment with the search function. your an ass. thanx again... cheers.........  rufus13rufus13 |
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7th September 2006, 05:11 AM
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7th September 2006, 05:34 AM
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| I do positon vocal mics upside down...I guess for other applications too, tube and solid state alike. To me, it's just a mic placement thing, and sometimes if it's not "right" I'll turn it right side up. Personally when my own vocals are being tracked, it's just way more comfortable, and I also adjust it kind of high, so I'm singing into the mic similarly as I do at a gig. And I haven't quite put my finger on it, but for my voice it's just the perfect placement and/or technique I guess along with my entire vocal chain...yeah, placement, technique...
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7th September 2006, 06:45 AM
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7th September 2006, 06:51 AM
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Up-side down or right-side up makes no difference to a LDC microphone. Use as is most convenient to you. Karl | |
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7th September 2006, 08:57 AM
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7th September 2006, 10:37 AM
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7th September 2006, 12:24 PM
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 | my LCD OktavaMK319 -not tube thing -sounds nicer when turned upsid down... i gues it is due to sound reflections caused by mic body |
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7th September 2006, 02:34 PM
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| hey nick p. thanx for that....im now kinda imortalized in gs forever. and by the way, my pick is my avatar so no need to look any more. actually, your kinda scaring me. if your looking for a boyfriend, your looking in the wrong place..........please dont send me your pic.....pm rufus if you like. im sure you guys can get together..(if your not a couple already) cheers..................  oh, and ill try to update my pic on myspace. that pic is a little old...so since i know your checking, ill put a better one up..ahhh actually maybee i should take all pics off..the thought of other men going through the trouble to post my pic doesnt really excite me....one last thing, i saw your phone on your website. your a real looker in that pic.............. |
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7th September 2006, 11:33 PM
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8th September 2006, 01:06 AM
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15th September 2006, 11:06 PM
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Capacitor microphones will stop working if the capsules get and stay damp. Dirt and water vapor short the capsule. Clean and dry is good. The reason that field reporters use 635a or RE-50 is that you can put the head in a glass of water, shake the water out and keep reporting. EV Acoustalloy is good like this. Not so different than close-miking a breathy vapor-filled vocalist in a cold metal shed, is it? In FL, a hot metal shed, RH 96%. Production forever, wherever it is. R13 | |
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15th September 2006, 11:34 PM
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| I Like my Mikes Sideways Sorry about the title!  I can somewhat see the logic in having the mike "upside down" when using a tube mike on the grounds of condensation. But for those that do it for a sonic quality?!?! The condenser/capacitor in the mike cannot discern gravity between up and down. The tonal quality in the sound is solely a result of the position of the capsule in relation to the sound source. The farther away or off axis the capsule is, the more of an open sound you will get. It really has no bearing on if the mike is upside down or not. Unfortunately, this is one of those myths that keep popping up, kind of like the 300.00/ft mic cable that makes your mikes sound richer or Bigfoot running around with Elvis and Jimmy Hoffa.Doc |
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