Net Producers trying to shakedown

[Cy Young]

You should probably take it down. He may have sold the exclusive rights to someone else. That's what leasing does

[Sehv313]

Originally Posted by Cy Young

You should probably take it down. He may have sold the exclusive rights to someone else. That's what leasing does

He's trying to sell me the exclusive rights now. If he had already sold the exclusive rights then that would mean he couldnt sell me leasing or exclusive rights because he dosent own the beat anymore.

[beat you down]

i'd take it down and recreate the beat using the same sample, put that up and ask him if he likes your new song.

[wreckingstuff]

So did he only just find out you were using his music? How did that come about? Is this a moral issue as well as a legal one? If you took his music from somewhere and used it in any capacity without telling him you can understand why he is pissed no?

[Sehv313]

Originally Posted by wreckingstuff

So did he only just find out you were using his music? How did that come about? Is this a moral issue as well as a legal one? If you took his music from somewhere and used it in any capacity without telling him you can understand why he is pissed no?

I guess he did a youtube search on his name, it just sounds to me like he's just a pissed off no name producer, He put the .mp3 up for free download under sendspace after people asked for it. When I first made the song I sent the song to him & gave him Prod. credits & I didnt get a response, but now all of a sudden (2 years later) he all of a sudden wants parts #smfh Net Producers are a trip.

My question is: Can he issue a cease & desist order for a sampled beat that he didnt clear the sample to, or own copyrights too?

[wreckingstuff]

Ahh I see, he's a cheeky ****er then! I doubt he's got sample clearance on beats he was giving away for free, Ignore him or do what BYD said.

[Sehv313]

Originally Posted by wreckingstuff

Ahh I see, he's a cheeky ****er then! I doubt he's got sample clearance on beats he was giving away for free, Ignore him or do what BYD said.

Ive had this beat sitting around for years. he made this beat in 2005 or 2006. smh, Im starting to think he's just hurting for money. Ill beat ...Shitty producer.

But I don think he can legally sue me or take me to court for something he dosent have copyrighted himself.

[beat you down]

so now... where's the beat? i'm curious now.

[Sehv313]

Originally Posted by beat you down

so now... where's the beat? i'm curious now.

what do you mean?

[Dayl]

Originally Posted by Sehv313

what do you mean?

he means, throw up the vid

[Sehv313]

SL [Official Video] - YouTube

Website

[sbechristos]

Originally Posted by beat you down

i'd take it down and recreate the beat using the same sample, put that up and ask him if he likes your new song.

haha hilarious

[Dayl]

Originally Posted by Sehv313

SL [Official Video] - YouTube

Hmm... I see how you got those views

[Sehv313]

Originally Posted by Dayl

Hmm... I see how you got those views

Those Marketing Classes paid off lol. but It aint shyt to get views up, thats why I really aint tripping on taking the video down this producer just talkin mess

[beat you down]

nice

[Sehv313]

Originally Posted by beat you down

nice

yeah its too bad the producer a lame

[raffael77]

Originally Posted by Sehv313

yeah its too bad the producer a lame

I agree with that.

[wcb123]

It's not a case of hearing the beat, whether its good, whether its sampled... .There's this little think called common decency . You could have atleast asked him if you could rap on HIS beat. For one you don't know if he copyrighted it or not, secondly even if he didn't, he still owns part of the mix, so you are breaching anyway. If he wanted to (just to make a point) he could take you to court, and win... A small amount of respect put in a pleasant email asking for permission is likely all that was required.

As for jacking his beat, just remember if you ever made it big, which is unlikely, but if you did, that will come back to haunt you.

Nobody likes beatjackers. Beatjackers are nobodies.

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[beat you down]

Originally Posted by wcb123

It's not a case of hearing the beat, whether its good, whether its sampled... .There's this little think called common decency . You could have atleast asked him if you could rap on HIS beat. For one you don't know if he copyrighted it or not, secondly even if he didn't, he still owns part of the mix, so you are breaching anyway. If he wanted to (just to make a point) he could take you to court, and win... A small amount of respect and a pleasant email asking for permission is likely all that was required.

As for jacking his beat, just remember if you ever made it big, which is unlikely, but if you did, that will come back to haunt you.

Nobody likes beatjackers. Beatjackers are nobodies.

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i wouldn't call timbaland a nobody

[Dayl]

Originally Posted by raffael77

I agree with that.

[wcb123]

Originally Posted by beat you down

i wouldn't call timbaland a nobody

Unless your definition of a Nobody includes frauds.

[Sehv313]

Originally Posted by wcb123

It's not a case of hearing the beat, whether its good, whether its sampled... .There's this little think called common decency . You could have atleast asked him if you could rap on HIS beat. For one you don't know if he copyrighted it or not, secondly even if he didn't, he still owns part of the mix, so you are breaching anyway. If he wanted to (just to make a point) he could take you to court, and win... A small amount of respect put in a pleasant email asking for permission is likely all that was required.

First off who do you think I got the .mp3 from? This is not a soundclick guy selling beats, this a dude who posted a beat through sendspace for people who wanted it to use it. i tried to contact for at least a whole 2 years before he called me outta the blue demanding money like some broke azz failed beat maker.

[psycho_monkey]

Originally Posted by Sehv313

(that I get no youtube revenue from its 60+ thousand views)

just FYI this is irrelevant. Copyright issues aside, even if you make no money from something, it doesn't make it any less legal - it just means you're less likely to get sued.

I'd take the beat down to be honest - it may not be 100% his property, but it sure as hell isn't yours, unless you've got a creative commons license entitling you to use it - making it available on a download link doesn't count (lots of tracks are available via soundcloud that are still copywritten). The bloke asked nicely (ish) and offered you the option to use it from him (although the issue of the sample is there of course).

Or - just remake it, if you don't think it's worth what he wants for it. how hard can it be if it's sample-based?

[Skamm Goodiez]

I wouldnt do shit
sue me

[beat you down]

Originally Posted by wcb123

Unless your definition of a Nobody includes frauds.

might as well stop listening to hip hop then.

[Sehv313]

Originally Posted by psycho_monkey

Or - just remake it, if you don't think it's worth what he wants for it. how hard can it be if it's sample-based?

The beat is acutally an easy remake but I recorded it so long ago, I dont even feel like re-recording it, that was one of the first songs I recorded, 6 projects ago, im on to bigger & better things now

I have no problem buying the beat, just dont try to sell me a sampled beat that you havent cleared or copyrighted yet.

[ncoak]

if some internet mc jacked one of my beats i'd be irritated too. you're obviously in the wrong but the question is, who cares?

[Sehv313]

Originally Posted by ncoak

if some internet mc jacked one of my beats i'd be irritated too. you're obviously in the wrong but the question is, who cares?

I'm not in the wrong, Digg this: YOU posted a beat when I ask YOU to, I recorded & shot a promo video over YOUR beat that YOU never copyrighted. I gave YOU producer credits & now YOU want me to pay YOU & YOUR manager for a promo song Im not making any money from? How about this... I draw up a contract, YOU go get the sample cleared (becaue its illegal to sell a beat you have full copyrights to), YOU get a copyright saying that YOU now own this beat, send me the FLP file and im happy.

*and If he dos'nt want to get the sample cleared then I will state in the contract that the Producer will accquire all legal issues against the artist from record labels, copyright infringement companies, & publishers. Think he'll sign it?

[ncoak]

just on general principle, you're in the wrong for using someone else's work without their permission. this guy is a fool for suddenly asking for money if it went down how you say it did, and he probably has no legal standing, but i'm not sure why you would want to conduct yourself and your business like that. it's his production, and using his work without his express permission (regardless of copright issues) is basically just ripping him off.