Linn/Forat MPC 9000 !!!

[gb-jazz]

Check this out. You won't see one of these again any time soon!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MESE%3AIT&rd=1

[Tibbon]

Dude, that's so overpriced, and so much keyword spamming. There's a forum for sales btw...

Not even ALL that rare. I mean didn't everyone in their brother have one of these in the 80's? Or at least a Linndrum?

[gb-jazz]

Originally Posted by Tibbon

Not even ALL that rare. I mean didn't everyone in their brother have one of these in the 80's? Or at least a Linndrum?

tutt You should do some research, obviously you don't know what you're talking about. Linn only made 1000 of the Linn 9000s and Forat only hotrodded a fraction of them. I'd guess this machine is about 1 of 50 tops in the entire world.

The Linn drum is a totally different rom based nonsampling drum machine produced on a much wider more affordable scale, it's also quite a bit older, hence no sampling capabilities. The two have little in common. The Forat F9000 is the Godfather of the MPC series on steriods. Awesome sh^t

[(DC)]

Originally Posted by gb-jazz

tutt You should do some research, obviously you don't know what you're talking about. Linn only made 1000 of the Linn 9000s and Forat only hotrodded a fraction of them. I'd guess this machine is about 1 of 50 tops in the entire world.

The Linn drum is a totally different rom based nonsampling drum machine produced on a much wider more affordable scale, it's also quite a bit older, hence no sampling capabilities. The two have little in common. The Forat F9000 is the Godfather of the MPC series on steriods. Awesome sh^t

I see. Considering you also posted this in the general forums I'm guessing you are the one selling it.

[Dopamine]

Glad to see eBay pulled it for keyword spamming.

Now, stop spamming around here. Post it in the classifieds if you must.

[Tibbon]

One of 1000? That really isn't that rare. Many of the pieces in the High End forum have around that many made, or less. My Minimoog Signature is #144/600. My Sidstation is one of 1200ish.

So Forat did a mod to it? My Eventide 910 isn't more rare because David Kulka did some upgrades/maintence to it. If anything it seems that mods most of the time reduce the value of something. One of the Synth sites said these should go for between 500-800 bucks, not what you're starting it at. I know we aren't supposed to comment on prices, but this isn't in the For Sale forum, and the auction obviously had issues and was pulled for a reason (mainly keyword spamming every beatbox in the world with it!).

Forat is still in biz, and i'm sure they'd mod more stuff for the money. Yes, this is a precursor to the MPC, but you're missing 2 HUGE points here

1) The MPC isn't everything and a bag of chips. Just because it has the MPC name, doesn't mean crap. Take a Fairchild. Yes the 660 and 670 are cool. The other Fairchild compressors like the 690(i think?) are crap.

2) Older doesn't mean anything. I bet my Machinedrum can run circles around it. While some people hold onto weird ideas about everything older being better, I think my Moog Voyager kills a Model D. Why? First of all it doesn't need servicing, second of all it's 10x as usable. There were 30 years of mistakes and development between the two. How would the new one (by the same designer nontheless) not be better? God Bless Bob for making a new product a better one (unlike Roland and some other synth companies that I feel have fallen down a far way).

3) I'll still vouch that the MPC is the #1 most overrated piece of gear in the world. Moreso than a 59' strat, or a 63' AC30. People assume that an MPC is worth gold, and should always sell for a TON if it's got one thing that's "abnormal" about it. Some kid around Boston was trying to sell a used Crome MPC2K for like... 1800 bucks i think. Get real. These things aren't perfect, and a TON of great songs with great beats have never touched them. That being said (as i'm not a hip hop person, but more a techno person) the TR909/808 are also pretty highly overrated. They did push the field in a new way, but still... they are whooped today by newer things like a Vermona or an MD. Don't even talk about the MPC groove. If you can't program the same in Logic, then you're one of those people that think that you HAVE to have a SSL to mix a song. You can mix on other stuff and it WILL sound good. If you are stuck on ONE tool, then you're a really limited engineer.

[gb-jazz]

Originally Posted by Dopamine

Glad to see eBay pulled it for keyword spamming.

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Glad you're a hater and comfortable with that.

As to the MPC being the most overrated ish... man you are crazy.
You sound like you don't understand the contribution that Roger Linn and Akai MPC's have made to the world of Hip hop and urban music in the past, present, and future... if you don't get it by now then you never will...
and youre right we don't use MPCs to make techno, that sh^t is played. We use MPCs to make street music. youre obviously not involved, congrats

[Jamz]

I owned (2) Linn 9000s both with Forat mods back in the 80's. The price of a Linn 9000 with Forat mods was well over $4k back then. I seem to remember $4,650. per machine. I don't recall if that included the anvil cases or not.

Ben and Bruce Forat worked for Linn. When Linn Electronics went away they bought out the inventory. Great guys...revolutionary drum machine. It was a bold attempt at combining an eprom based drum machine with a MIDI sequencer. The Forat mods (amongst other things) allowed for limiting sampling. I had like 18 toggle switches sticking out of that box when they finished their mods. I know the software has been worked on and upgraded but when it first came out the sequencer was a little buggy and the machines had problematic moments. I believe there was a power supply issue and it's my understanding that issue contributed to Linn Electronics going under.

I eventually sold my 9000s. They were replaced by the Studio 440...MPC60....MPC60II. I still own (3) MPC 3000s. These no longer get as used nearly as much but over the 20 plus years they's been around I made a ton of recordings with Linn drum machines. Nothing could mess with them for a long time.
It's easy in 2006 to say that using Logic is as good or better. However, in the mid 80's Logic didn't exist. Linn's machines were among the first if not the first digital drum machine that usesd samples of drums rather than an analog interpretation. The Linn 9000 had a MIDI sequencer built in with trigger and SMPTE capabilities. All in one box. Keyboard players with their analog synths were envious. Eventually the MSQ 100 allowed these players to do MIDI sequencing in a more primitive manner. Still not as good as the 9000. Then came Dr. T's software. Ahead of the game. However, most producers still preferred the ergonomic 9000 as opposed to a commodore 64 computer (which were mainly used for games) with a monitor and basically an event list MIDI sequencer that still needed sound sources to program. There were no native instrument programs at that time that resided within the computer program.

Roger Linn created a way of recording and contributed to the techniques of each decade regardless of sonic fads. While the 80's had it's signature sounds and the Linn was one of them the nonlin reverbed toms, Simmons drums and Fairlights eventually went by the wayside. The Linn/MPC remains. In the 90's these drum machines were accepted into the hip hop and rap world as a standard. While Roger Linn has nothing to do with the newer Akai MPC machines he's made it into the books with his machines. With it's history, impact and staying power I would never call the MPC over rated.
Rant over.