has r&b and rap music ruined high end gear

[lexxon]

i have noticed that most of the gear that hip hop and r&b guys use is not really on the hegh end( mostly borderline) but their has been so much success with use of this gear and traditional setup mpc and 737 and u87 and 002 racks and motif and tritons and ns 10s etc. But guys who do rock and alternative seem to hate this type of gear. explain

[lexxon]

is it a sound difference and in u guys opinion what do u think the sound of hip hop and r&b is as compared to pop, and rock and garage and alternative

Originally Posted by lexxon

i have noticed that most of the gear that hip hop and r&b guys use is not really on the hegh end( mostly borderline) but their has been so much success with use of this gear and traditional setup mpc and 737 and u87 and 002 racks and motif and tritons and ns 10s etc. But guys who do rock and alternative seem to hate this type of gear. explain

fuuck


You know it's those damn black people and their music.

They ruined EVERYTHING


You know I'm glad you spoke on it. I've been thinking this for the longest.

They messed up our good politics, our government, our education system etc....

Actually they should go back to Africa and take their "boom boom" music that they do on 737's and 002s with them.

Because we KNOW they are the only ones using 002s and U87s

Ever since they got on those nice boats we provided, they've come over here messing up EVERYTHING.

Sheesh



Dont worry, when I come down to Alabama, We'll throw us a rally and figure out how to stop them before they go any further.

"Man, what happened to the good ole days when a man could solve his problem by getting a rope for these excuses for human beings with their damn 737's/U87s/002's"

(You know Digidesign was created by the Niggras!)

[lexxon]

yo you got me laughing so hard

[JSVice]

I know NoSSL was being sarcastic, but I didn't really see any racism in the original post. Maybe it's just because I'm from Kentucky.

Originally Posted by JSVice

I know NoSSL was being sarcastic, but I didn't really see any racism in the original post. Maybe it's just because I'm from Kentucky.

Who said anything about racism?

I think we are missing the much more valid question, instead of asking "has rap/rnb ruined High end gear?"

We should be asking more important and valid questions:

Have tall people ruined midget tailors? You know before them there was probably much more hi quality stuff for the little man to choose from. Now they use up all the damn material with their cheap TALL clothes.
So the Midget tailor can hardly survive making stuff for the Midgets

What about the Midgets?

Also, Have rappers ruined the Chicken business for Chick Filet? I notice they tend to go to Popeyes alot more.
Everyone knows that Chick Filet has better chicken, but they seem to actually LOVE Dat Chicken from POPEYES
It goes on in Rnb as well.

Do a search for Beyonce and Popeye's chicken. You'll see that she loves it. She never even mentions Chick Filet with their boneless succulent breasts. (I guess she figures she already has succulent breasts so she can go to popeyes).

[thenoiseflower]

Power to the Midgets (who support Chick Filet)

[Fajita]

no ssl yet is on crack again





"stay off them drugs"... Cleo McDowel

[ejsongs]

it's really just a matter of economics. many can't afford the high end stuff so they use what they can to make music....someone with money hears the sound and is able to exploit it to the masses...music changes as a result...then the process repeats.

ej

Originally Posted by Fajita

no ssl yet is on crack again





"stay off them drugs"... Cleo McDowel

I'll trade you the crack for "Beyonce's succulent breasts"

(And a box of chicken).



This reminds me, I once knew a bass player (THE DUDE WAS A GENIUS on bass), but he got into druggin and would do stuff like get record deals and dissapear with the budget.

On one of his "I'm going clean spells", the dude would constantly say, "I say no to drugs because a mind is a terrible thing."


(Guess it's one of those where u had to be there)

[Fredrik]

U87´s and 737 aint really lo end either is it? I guess it´s mostly producers as opposed to mix engineers that has them as well.

Take it easy

Originally Posted by ejsongs

it's really just a matter of economics. many can't afford the high end stuff so they use what they can to make music....someone with money hears the sound and is able to exploit it to the masses...music changes as a result...then the process repeats.

ej

True, (I didnt know this was a serious topic.)

It's kinda silly to think that a new form of music would cause others to not buy hi end gear. The notion that rap could ruin the hi end business is a pointless notion.

[gwailoh]

For an experiment I played a bunch of rap and r&b through some of my high-end gear, and it doesn't seem to be ruined at all.

Here's a quote from the Wikipedia entry for the great rock and roll classic "Louie Louie" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louie,_Louie):

There is some controversy as to the circumstances of this recording. It is definitely known that the Kingsmen recorded it at Northwestern, Inc., Motion Pictures and Recording in Portland as a demo for a possible cruise ship gig. The group paid a small sum of $36 for a one hour Saturday afternoon session. The Kingsmen's lead singer, Jack Ely, briefed the band on the song, basing his version on a 1961 recording of Berry's tune by another band from the Pacific Northwest, Rockin' Robin Roberts and the Fabulous Wailers (no relation to the band headed by Bob Marley years later), perhaps intentionally introducing a slight change in the rhythm as he did. It was recorded in one or two takes (with the second being used); according to some reports, the band may have thought they were rehearsing rather than laying down the final track. Ely himself, depending on which source one believes, was either hoarse from singing the night before, wearing braces on his teeth, hung over, obliged to shout the lyrics into a boom microphone which couldn't be adjusted to his height, or some combination thereof - or it could have been that Ely, along with the rest of the group, simply lacked the talent to produce a proper recording. Robert Lindahl, then-president and chief engineer of NWI, and the sound engineer on the Kingsmen's and Paul Revere & the Raiders' later session of the same song in the exact same studio, recalled in interviews that both times the boom mics were parked against the wall and never used, and noted that the Raiders' version is not known for "garbled lyrics" or an amateurish recording technique. Another rather large error left on the track is when singer Jack Ely begins singing the verse of the song much too early after the guitar break in the middle, at about 1:58. He realizes he's made a mistake and drummer Lynn Easton was left to cover the error with a sweet drum fill.

Whatever the factors in the session, the Kingsmen transformed Berry's relatively easy-going ballad into a raucous, anarchic, rock 'n' roll romp, complete with a twangy guitar, occasional background chatter, and almost completely unintelligible lyrics by Ely. The version quickly became a standard for teen parties of the Sixties in the U.S., fueled by tremendous but inexplicable popularity in Boston, and reached number two on the Billboard Hot 100 chart.

Was that an example of rock and roll ruining high-end gear?

No it didn't.

However, a beer on top of a rack can possible ruin a lot of high-end gear.



D

[GL Respect Due]

Originally Posted by lexxon

i have noticed that most of the gear that hip hop and r&b guys use is not really on the hegh end( mostly borderline) but their has been so much success with use of this gear and traditional setup mpc and 737 and u87 and 002 racks and motif and tritons and ns 10s etc. But guys who do rock and alternative seem to hate this type of gear. explain

Generalizations abound in this quote.

Heres my take it on your questions though:

1. Hip-Hop has always been about the technician more then the tool.

2. Hip-Hop / Rock / Jazz all require different tools.

3. I know plenty of rock / pop guys who sweat Avalon, U87, 002, NS10s. In fact, about 75% of the rock / pop studios i've been into, or know of, own at least one of the aformentioned products. As far as why people here knock some of those brands, some of it is taste, some of it is hype.

My question to you is, what lead you to conclude high end gear is on a decline? From where i'm sitting, theirs more boutique audio designers then ever before.

If I were to blame anyone/thing for a decline in high end gear/productions - i'd start with CPUs, MP3s, etc, before I start blaming a music form.

PS. Before Hip-Hop was wearing a business suite, most Hip-Hop albums were cut at major studios. Platinum Island, Chung King, Hit Factory, etc. No cheap gear in site in those facilities.

[cosmos]

This is a very bad thread ! you cant judge people by their color/music/tools .


i do agree that technology messed up with those mp3's, WMA, CPU's, ALL Synth software,plugins, small home studios, 1000 drums machines in a box, Focusrite Liquid Channel, IPod's, CD's ( i miss records), $99 8 Channel Mic Pre, Electronic Musician, M-Audio, TC's Fast Mastering... i can keep going all day!

and im only 24.

Cheers !

[Drumsound]

No SSL,

You made my day. Those posts were fulkkin Hi-Larious!

thumbsup

[mr.gefell]

[rwhitney]

The really successful people (like Dr. Dre) use absolutely the best gear, including SSL and Neve, hire great musicians to play, and great engineers to engineer. Coming up in the hood, one's unfortunately limited at first to inexpensive gear. Like R&B and the blues before it, Hip Hop has revolutionized American music, and has tremendously influenced music all around the world. Apparently a lot of people think it sounds good.

Of course, the wide availability of inexpensive gear in general has impacted production quality in the aggregate, but this same technology continues to improve the quality at the top.

[nukmusic]

Originally Posted by lexxon

i have noticed that most of the gear that hip hop and r&b guys use is not really on the hegh end( mostly borderline) but their has been so much success with use of this gear and traditional setup mpc and 737 and u87 and 002 racks and motif and tritons and ns 10s etc. But guys who do rock and alternative seem to hate this type of gear. explain

WAYNE MOX
vs
LEXXON????

[mr.gefell]

Originally Posted by nukmusic

WAYNE MOX
vs
LEXXON????

LOL!!!!

[stvintage]

If all of us gear addicts spent half the time in the studio creating art than we do here bitchin' and lusting over gear, we'd get alot more done. It's about the art not the expensive tools. Isn't it?

[not_so_new]

Originally Posted by nukmusic

WAYNE MOX
vs
LEXXON????

Originally Posted by stvintage

If all of us gear addicts spent half the time in the studio creating art than we do here bitchin' and lusting over gear, we'd get alot more done. It's about the art not the expensive tools. Isn't it?

I've actually decided (for this week), I'm not buying ANYMORE gear. Sure I want barefoot monitors, Neve channels and vintage 1176/pultecs. But, I used to want an HD2 system, Amek CIBs, an MPC 4000 etc...

My point is, I actually have the things that I wanted before, but still I feel I need something elsedfegad .

Most of us have pretty good gear. Sure we can debate itb vs otb. BUT the debate time could be used to make music

Some guy with an upright piano is at home working on his chops and writing a song. It may be the next 30million seller. It may be the song that touches mankind in a way that no song ever did. It may be something so amazingly simple that the sheer beauty of its simplicity will have all of us thinking "Damn why didnt I think of that?"

All of this could be a crock of bull shit because he may be writing the world's worst song EVER. He may fail at everything he tries in life as a musician.

WE dont know. But what we know for certain is if he spends his every waking moment wondering what's the best mic/preamp combo for recording KAZOO orchestras,

He'll NEVER know or realize his potential.

Use what you have to make songs/MONEY. Touch people with your art. If you touch enough of them, they'll pay you for it.

Then you can buy EVERY piece of gear so you never have to waste time in a debate about what's best.

You can retire in Hawaii and record Kazoos while sipping Mai Tai's and being fed grapes by beautiful Hawaiian women with large breasts and NEVE channels.

[T.RayBullard]

you implied that Lexxon was making racist remarks with your "reply"

You know it's those damn black people and their music.They ruined EVERYTHING

Originally Posted by no ssl yet

Who said anything about racism?

I think we are missing the much more valid question, instead of asking "has rap/rnb ruined High end gear?"

We should be asking more important and valid questions:

Have tall people ruined midget tailors? You know before them there was probably much more hi quality stuff for the little man to choose from. Now they use up all the damn material with their cheap TALL clothes.
So the Midget tailor can hardly survive making stuff for the Midgets

What about the Midgets?

Also, Have rappers ruined the Chicken business for Chick Filet? I notice they tend to go to Popeyes alot more.
Everyone knows that Chick Filet has better chicken, but they seem to actually LOVE Dat Chicken from POPEYES
It goes on in Rnb as well.

Do a search for Beyonce and Popeye's chicken. You'll see that she loves it. She never even mentions Chick Filet with their boneless succulent breasts. (I guess she figures she already has succulent breasts so she can go to popeyes).

[nukmusic]

Originally Posted by T.RayBullard

you implied that Lexxon was making racist remarks with your "reply"

man...get the funk outta hell with that bull$#!+ LMAOoooo You need to understand "WHY" NSSL replied with those statements. But "first" you would have to understand "WHY" LEXXON posted his original statements. Go "RE"-figure


clue a is here but....(yes the words are correct,,,,just read it...if you can)





































P.S.

WAYNE MOX
vs
LEXXON????

Originally Posted by T.RayBullard

you implied that Lexxon was making racist remarks with your "reply"

Some get it, Some Don'tthumbsup

I figured someone would say that so I changed it to "heightism and chickenism"
'

[gwailoh]

Originally Posted by T.RayBullard

you implied that Lexxon was making racist remarks with your "reply"

He also implied that large-breasted Hawaiians have Neve modules. I'm on my way to the airport now...

[lexxon]

i believe i understand what no ssl is saying too. the reason i ask this question is that i have been proggressively improving my gear and a lot of times my peoples in the hood or who dont have a lot of dough will say i dont need all that stuff they say great records or made using much less. But my peoples who were in the hood and get a little credit for their skills are criticized for using 002, etc. the tools that have been hyped about. and i just dont understand the criticizism. So i was asking cats who use high end gear their opinions i grew up in nyc and jersey for 24 years and i had to grow up and recognize that music is universal(which i do) and i enjoy being able to create great music for less than 30,000, and mass market it without being in ny or la.
isnt it great.