Help. . . . . Need Help treating my room!! Pic's Included

[The Zengineer]

First off thanks for taking the time to read this, I have recently moved to a new apartment and need help treating it, I have attached some pictures as I thought it might help. The room has partition wall's as it is between my living area and my bedroom, the floor has quite quick carpet and behind the curtain is a glass door which opens onto a balcony. I need this to be accessible so I can't block it! The ceiling is 2.34m high the length of the room is 3.5m & the width is 3m. All walls are completely bare at the moment but I do want to have a seating area on the wall facing my desk.

I will be using the room mainly to mix and possibly for practising mastering aswell as tracking vocals/instruments, mainly Hip Hop with a very small amount of rnb vocals.

What i'm looking for is where to place everything and what sort of cost will be involved in treatment? i'm looking to get genelec 8040's very soon so if that makes any difference.

I really appreciate your help, thanks for your time.

PEACE

Dee

[azwun25]

kinda hard to say how to treat the room when all you put up was a desk shot. more pics..more angles are neccessary!

[No4PCs]

Agreeded, need more angles in pics...
The roof high, the corners, and if have a door simetryc back your chair !
We can start with bass traps in corners ( you can make with wood and rockwool )
In the roof you can alternate bass traps too....
The wall in front of your head need some absorvent material to avoyd direct reverberations...
In your back some absorver material too...

[BigArt]

need more pics

[The Zengineer]

Hi,

I will update some more pics later on today.

Apologies

Dee

[The Zengineer]

Here are the pic's

Thanks again.

Dee

[danasti]

Originally Posted by DeeDee

And some more.

Dee

You have a TINY room.

You need to take some measurements W - H - D (feet and inches) and get some software and measure the frequency response at the listening position and also throughout the room.

First and formost you have a TON of reading ahead of you if you want to get a good sounding room.

This is the definitive guide on GS and the reference that most people use on this board...

http://www.saecollege.de/reference_material/index.html

http://www.johnlsayers.com/

[The Zengineer]

Yes. . . . . I do know it is small, as I did state this room is in my apartment so It's like a standard double bedroom size "the ceiling is 2.34m high the length of the room is 3.5m & the width is 3m"

I will get to reading but any further help from anyone would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks

Dee

[The Zengineer]

Any "Basic" advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

[Samplecraze]

DD, if it's basic you want, and a DIY type of tutorial, then have a read of my tutorials on home studio DIY acoustics.

[mikahanau]

hi
in your case i would do something like this:


the boxes at the sidewalls are slatresonators, which are absorb the hi and low mids.
The angeld frot is to minimze standing waves at your mixing position.
the two yello things at the front are normal 703 fieberboardpannels, which are there to do something against the bass reverbation.
at the rear of the romm it is nessesary to habe diffusion or in al romm smal like yours better hard absorbation.
when youn want to lern more about buliding these absorbers, or waht the are doing exactly, please visit johnsayers website.
www.johnlsayers.com.
so have fun with your little studio.
greets from germany
peace
mika

[The Zengineer]

Thanks for going to the trouble to do that, it really helps invision what work may lay ahead. There is however one problem I cannot block the window where the desk has been placed as it is a balcony.

Could the desk be placed anywhere else?

Thanks Mika.

Dee

[TonyBelmont]

Originally Posted by mikahanau

hi
in your case i would do something like this:
the boxes at the sidewalls are slatresonators, which are absorb the hi and low mids.
The angeld frot is to minimze standing waves at your mixing position.
the two yello things at the front are normal 703 fieberboardpannels, which are there to do something against the bass reverbation.
at the rear of the romm it is nessesary to habe diffusion or in al romm smal like yours better hard absorbation.
when youn want to lern more about buliding these absorbers, or waht the are doing exactly, please visit johnsayers website.
www.johnlsayers.com.
so have fun with your little studio.
greets from germany
peace
mika

You get a pat on the back for an extremely helpful and informative post!

[Big 3rd]

Originally Posted by mikahanau

hi
in your case i would do something like this:


the boxes at the sidewalls are slatresonators, which are absorb the hi and low mids.
The angeld frot is to minimze standing waves at your mixing position.
the two yello things at the front are normal 703 fieberboardpannels, which are there to do something against the bass reverbation.
at the rear of the romm it is nessesary to habe diffusion or in al romm smal like yours better hard absorbation.
when youn want to lern more about buliding these absorbers, or waht the are doing exactly, please visit johnsayers website.
www.johnlsayers.com.
so have fun with your little studio.
greets from germany
peace
mika

Very nice man! You must have some type of program and/or do this for a living.

Nonetheless, great job!

The only thing I would suggest also is to put a floating cloud over the mixing space for early reflections.
If you don't know what it is, here is an example ...http://www.recording.org/ftopict-26889.html
I almost have the exact same shaped room and my listening position and equipment are in the exact same spot...so are my acoustic panels and bass traps. The only thing that is different is that my side panels aren't angled. I have about 2 inches of rigid fiberglass with them though.

Still think I need to angle them?

[mikahanau]

Yes big 3rd you are right
a cloud over the mixingposition ist absulultly nessesary,
for 9 of 10 studios i like to have just a 19mm thick woddpanel with many little holes in it. This woddpannel have to be coverd at both sides with rockkwoll an than some nice looking cloth at all around it.
this clou has to bee hang 15 degres angeld dirketly over the mixingposition.
The first reason for a cloud, is to eliminate the early reflektions from the celling, the second is to minimize the standing waves between the celling an the floor (angeld woodpanel).
@ dee dee
the window is not blocked, there is enoght space to walk around the studio desk, to opene the windoe or to go outside.
in my studio i have nearly the same dimensions, and my recording room is in front of my mixing desk, the same like in your case.
my studio:



in the front you can see the door to the recording booth
so i hope i can help you
im ready for more questions
peace
mika

[The Zengineer]

"the window is not blocked, there is enoght space to walk around the studio desk, to opene the windoe or to go outside"


Thats excellent it keeps the fiancee off of my back!!

Mika,

I was wondering if it's possible to put a price on the work that will need done? and to have a shopping list of the items I will need?

Thanks again.

PEACE
Dee

[The Zengineer]

Mika,

Sorry one more question, would I need to cover the window to the balcony or just keep my curtains drawn?

Thanks

Dee

[mikahanau]

hey dee
i dont know how wide your recording desk is, but wehen the smaller side of the romm ist 3 meters, its defenetly possible to handle with it.
a normal desk ist about 1,7m than you have two times a 25cm wallpannel at the large side.
3m - 1,7m - (2 X 0,25m) = 0,8m.
when you place your desk outside the middle i think there is enoght space to walk through.
I can not know how high the costs of this project are, because i dont know your location. I can tell you how much you have to spend in germany, bur i think thats not repersentive to your location.
you need just a couple of wood, an much of fieberboard pannels, and rockwoll.
the best way ist to look at your lokal stores for the exact price of the material.
so long
mika

[mikahanau]

you wont need to cover the window in front of you.
its a "live end dead end" concept. you want to have a sounding room, not a dead room !?
the main problem ina room like yours is the bass, you wil never have problems with high frequencies. maybee some lttle problems in the low mids, but for this reason we have to built the slotresonators at the sidewalls.
so long
mika

[The Zengineer]

Thanks Mika!!

If there is anyone from the UK with any ideas of where to get these materials from? or where I could purchase the items pre-made then please let me know.

Thanks All

Dee Dee

[nukmusic]

DD...log onto johnlsayers.com and go into the forum....there is an endless supply of reading material And if i remember correctly this is a list of "Where to Buy". You may also be able to search the net(google.com) to find companies that are in the UK or will ship there. The materials may have different names in different part of the world, but they do the same things pretty much.

Also if you are in an APT...how are you handling the sound isolation? the acoustic treatment in the room will not stop the sound from disturbing the neighbors.

and if you can't do all that Mika suggested you could do something simple like what Chirs did. http://www.tbrstudio.com/ and http://www.myspace.com/tbrstudio It looks real nice too.

Good drawing MIka....Sketchup is a nice program. www.sketchup.com

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showt...110#post826110

[SUGARCULT666]

THis is incredible haha ...That room you have drawn up Mika looks exactly like my room i mean exact even the little notch where the door is except my door is next to that... I've been looking into room acoustics so I might try this, I have my desk setup already like what you have drawn up. Thanks for the diagrams

[Jazzy Alz]

Nice work Mika, welcome. I have a feeling that you're contribution will be a very usefull one

[The Zengineer]

Originally Posted by nukmusic

DD...log onto johnlsayers.com and go into the forum....there is an endless supply of reading material And if i remember correctly this is a list of "Where to Buy". You may also be able to search the net(google.com) to find companies that are in the UK or will ship there. The materials may have different names in different part of the world, but they do the same things pretty much.

Also if you are in an APT...how are you handling the sound isolation? the acoustic treatment in the room will not stop the sound from disturbing the neighbors.

and if you can't do all that Mika suggested you could do something simple like what Chirs did. http://www.tbrstudio.com/ and http://www.myspace.com/tbrstudio It looks real nice too.

Good drawing MIka....Sketchup is a nice program. www.sketchup.com

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/showt...110#post826110

I have been on google to try and find uk suppliers but have had no luck. I dont really have the time or knowledge to make the items as Mika so kindly listed above, so I am on the lookout for either a UK supplier or a supplier that can ship to the UK or someone that I could pay to do this for me.

Sound insulation is going to be tricky, I definately need it as at the moment I dont have neighbours as the building is a brand new complex and no one has moved in around me yet. This luxury will not last long so if anyone has any advice on sound proofing/insulating without marking the walls and ceiling too much as im renting.

Thanks in advance

ONE LOVE

Dee Dee

[mikahanau]

hey dee dee
you can get all the things you need in your local DIY Superstore.
You need MDF Woodpanels 19mm thick
you will need some wood panels for the "slot, slat" front of the "saltbasorber". The dimensions please take from this website:
Johnlsayers. com/ wallunits
you will need a lot of rockwool (from your DIY SUperstore)
you will need screws and some cloth (look at your lokal stores)
and you will need some time ( look at your holidayplan)
i think the costs for all the absorbers in your room come to about 800 euro, i dont know what this is in your currency.
when you want to think about soundisolation..................... forget it
the only way to soundproof a romm like yours is the "room into room" principle.
in this case you need a floating floor a 2nd wall and a 2nd cellig, an stuff like this
this is not to have under 5000 euro
when you dont need it realy , let it be!
so long
forgive me my bad english
peace
mika