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13th December 2012
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Akai s6000????

Hi slutz, how can does an AKAI S6000 cost? i would prefer new if i can still find one...and what are cons ?
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No new ones around
The cons are it is big and heavy.
I really like mine. Sounds excellent, has enough features to keep me happy and has LOADS of outputs and connections. The front panel remote is brilliant and it's pretty easy to use. It sits next to my Emulator III, Roland S750 and (when I fix them) Fairlights and certainly doesn't feel like a poor relative. Top quality hardware and very useful still.
In Europe they go for about €300.
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Is the risk of buying using used one worth it???? Or should i go with the Z8 instead?
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I doubt the Z8 is any more reliable. The S6000 is extremely well built.
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Yea I keep looking on ebay i always miss it by 10$
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the z8 is more reliable.
however both machines are great
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the z8 is more reliable.
however both machines are great
What issues do S6000's have?
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Sorry didn't answer your question. There are no new akai s 6000 's
You can find them on ebay from 450.00 to 800.00$$$$$$
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The s6000 is a little older than the Z4/8, in the Akai tradition, everything was an add-on on the s5000/6000, memory, FX, usb, digi, i/o.
The Z4 and particularly Z8 are better equipped from stock, and cheaper to upgrade if necessary.
Also the 6000 is 16Bit 44k, not a problem if you use 16Bit samples in your library, but annoying to convert if you use 24Bit. Z4/8 24Bit up to 96k.

I had a Z4 as a sound module with MPC, it was really good, I wish I hadn't sold it, and I would get another one, or better a Z8, or better an MPC 4k (same engine+sequencer).

Weirdly, you can quite often get Z's for same or less than 6000's.
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The S6000 in Europe always has 16 outputs and 128 voices. Almost all I see for sale are maxed out with RAM and it's easy to find one with the FX card and USB. The only harder to find card is the ADAT card.
The remote is the killer for me on the S6000. Full control from my mix position.
The Z series is harder to find over here at least.
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Oh, I'm UK and there are often loads of Z's on ebay and SOS list.

6000 good sampler, not as good as Z4/8, Z8 has the remote.
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Oh, I'm UK and there are often loads of Z's on ebay and SOS list.

6000 good sampler, not as good as Z4/8, Z8 has the remote.
Your opinion! I never liked any Akai's until I heard the 6000. The rest have always left me cold. I'd take a Z8 if one turned up cheap, but I like the 16 analogue outs on the S6000 and 128 poly (and the sound!). The Z8 has a cool remote but still a small display. The 6000 display really is a superb thing.Quite a few things that could be considered "better" on the S6000. And like I said earlier, they are cheap as hell sometimes. Locally one for €100 here.
No Z8 or Z4's on ebay.co.uk now but 4 S6000's and 4 S5000's, so I think it's easier to find the S series.
So I see them as quite different products. I sit at my console and have 16 channels coming up on my desk and the 6000 is just a monster in that situation.
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If you are happy with what you have cool, I was posting for the benefit of the op and anybody else thinking about s series/z series Akai. Having used both, I wouldn't buy an s, but I would buy a z.
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Just pointing out advantages of the S6000

Cheap
Much larger display
16 outputs
double the polyphony


The Z8 has other advantages so they should be pointed out, but
Everyone needs to know what they prefer or need.

I would for example NEVER buy an S5000/Z4. The remotes make the S6000 and Z8 massively useful in a studio situation (but the S6k remote is huge which helps). No reason to lose that to save a few pounds.

Then again most people seem to just want to load libraries rather than create them, which is where I come from (and I route any of my gear through my desk and into the S6000) so as you say if loading existing 24 bit files is your thing, the Z series is the only choice. If creating original sounds is your thing, I don't see 24 bit as an advantage.
In creating sounds I find the S6k OS and display great for that.

Personal choice. Neither is better but each has advantages over the other.

(oh and as a sampler addict, I am very happy with what I have. The S6k sits amongst many other classy samplers (S-770, EIII, Fairlights) as would a Z8 I am sure)
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Just to add
As this thread was about the S6000, I spoke about the S6000.
Almost any high end sampler from the last 20 years will be very affordable and if the sampler is stopping anyone making great music, it isn't the sampler at fault.
It's more about workflow and what suits you.
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cons of a 6K .. Huge!! needs extra stuff like USB etc to get it fully expanded.
I think it uses a SCSI Drive ?

Pros, 128 not poly fully expanded + 16 outs ?
The modulation section is more intelligently routed from off and Aksys looks better laid out than as for the Z series. you can get more out of Akais if you have a keyboard which transmits note off velocity but you need to use a midi system which can block running status. like a Motu MTP. otherwise any note off is turned to note on at Zero. any note on can re-trigger an envelope, even if it's note on at zero velocity.
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quick question, is the kg pitch/amp screen on the s6000 similar to the smp1 screen on the s1000? what i mean is does it show four sample layers that can each be fine tuned and/or replaced with other samples in memory? this is also the same as the smt screen on the roland s-750. i really like that type of screen for layering drums

edit: also wondering about any differences between s5000 and s6000. which one is better for crunchy drums?
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Z8 vs S6000, it depend if you prefer more internal treatments (Z8) or more outputs to treat your sounds externally (s6000).

Given the quality of akai filters and fx's, I prefer the later option, but that's just me. In fact, I think that the s6000's 16 outputs make it the more desirable akai rack sampler, save for the oldies.
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I know this is a stupid question, because these machines wouldn't be made if they were obsolete. But my novice view sees these being demo'd on YouTube and just makes me wonder why people don't just do all their beats and mixing through software on a PC or Mac? What do these do that the software can't? Like I said, I'm a noob at this and I'm sure I probably just don't see the difference. Curious to know what it is though.

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I know this is a stupid question, because these machines wouldn't be made if they were obsolete. But my novice view sees these being demo'd on YouTube and just makes me wonder why people don't just do all their beats and mixing through software on a PC or Mac? What do these do that the software can't? Like I said, I'm a noob at this and I'm sure I probably just don't see the difference. Curious to know what it is though.

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That's a bit like asking, what does one piece of software do that another can't.
The answer is, what it's best at I guess. which in respect of hardware samplers is being a hardware sampler.
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What can a hardware sampler do that the good DAW's can't do? Some of the ones mentioned seem old and primitive compared to even fruity loops.
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What can a hardware sampler do that the good DAW's can't do? Some of the ones mentioned seem old and primitive compared to even fruity loops.
well Akais are great for drums and bass samples especially. their filters and envelopes have a certain sound and work at a certain speed. +, they remain rock solid and they trigger pretty quickly from midi. imo, the ability the balance levels is better too as well as their response to velocity being very consistent.
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I previously had both a s5000 & a z8, personally I think both have too many potential issues and limitations now.
The s5000 or s6000 IMO were of much better build quality though the z8 has more memory and is easier to expand on.
I was happy to get rid of mine and I work itb now.
Finding parts from Akai for either is virtually impossible and if you have a problem they're both hard to fix.
My viewpoint might be frowned on but I will suggest you pass on one of the Akai relics & move forward.
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don't bother, it won't have that oldskool sound, you want an s900 o s950
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don't bother, it won't have that oldskool sound, you want an s900 o s950
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You jogged my memory,I had a s950 before I had the s5000 & Z8,yeah it had "that sound" but extremely limited memory and again good luck if you need it repaired or need to find parts.

Nowadays even if my point of view is deemed sacrilegious I think you'd be better off recording samples to a modern software based sampler and play with filters to try to get close to the sound your aiming for,the old Akai hardware samplers are too limited and have too many potential problems that would make recommending getting into using them at this point in time IMO hard to justify.
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If you want parts, ask Lord Toranaga on GS about it.
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If you want parts, ask Lord Toranaga on GS about it.
I have no parts.
Honestly I agree with kgdrum_nyc, hardware sampling is dead to me.

My sampling style is very strait forward vinyl chops.
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I was interested in both the S6000 and the Z8. What kept me from buying either was the simple fact that I got much better at making beats in software so I didn't feel the need for a clean sampler anymore.

I always wanted the S6000 more. Mostly because of the 16 outs. I still deal with 16 bit samples (when I am sampling, not using instrument samples/programs) so 24 bit isn't a big deal to me. I am not even sure some of the software I use on my PC supports 24 bit, lol, I use some old programs.
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