Vocal tracking (hiphop)

Docmattic · 26th July 2006

Ok im gonna enquire about a view things here.

Firstly the booth we have set up in my mates garage. we have double glazed glass be tweent he two rooms. Id say the garrage is 5m across 2-2.5 meters deep and about 7 or 8 feet high. There is alot of echo. were currently collecting egg cartons to create multiple layers of 'insulation' (i guess thats what you call it.) where it will raise out to 3 layers in someplaces grading down to 2 layers then 1 layer. Hopefully that will decrease tha large amounts of reverb that are in there leaving it warm but not dead. i think we will leave the roof as it is. Would this work?

secondly. the equipment. OK im planning on buying a studio projects VTB-1 preamp or sm pro audio's tb-101 (which is a channel strip with compression). but am unsture which pre or mic to buy. I like 2 styles of sound for my voice. its deepish (higher lows) and raspy with slight siblace. Ive been recomended the studio projects B1, the sennheiser 835 and 935, the electrovoice re20, sure 7m, heil Pr-30 or PR-40. theres a start to a list there.

The two sounds I like:
1)Somthing that will leave the rasp there but sound warm and present perhaps soundding slightly silky, but can pick up my lows and mids and wont overdo my highs. similar to "stickey fingaz: decade (album)" and "canibus: c section" ((song) perhaps not as silky)
2)Second i like the sound that styles of beyond tends to use. I really like Ryu's raspyish sound with a silkish control over the vocals. I also dont mind the more controled sound of takbir with alot of 'silk'. are any of these sounds possible with any of the equipment im looking into?

I dont have an overly large budget. I live in australia so it really costs me more. The pr 30 and 40 are good cheaper options to the sm 7 and the re20 i think. anyway i hope i have given people enough detail to answer my question

www.soundclick.com/docmattic <-------- my soundclick if you wish to listen to me

hope i dont make your ears bleed too much!!

Docmattic · 27th July 2006

FULL-DUPLEX · 27th July 2006

Buy the VTB-1! Gives you much for the money (smaller amount).

You can try the SM-57 it is cheaper than the SM7 and has also a nice sound.

What you need is a good compressor. FMR RNC or ART PRO VLA if it is in your budget...

Have fun.

F.D.

BigArt · 28th July 2006

VTB-1

mentalattica · 28th July 2006

VTB1 is a good choice. I second the PRO VLA, I use it on almost every vocal take. But I don't think you should be collecting egg cartons, as cool as Hustle and Flow made it look all they're good for is holding eggs.

Docmattic · 29th July 2006

im actually concidering the heil PR-20 for a mic at the moment then the re20 for christmas

. If i held off one the compressor for a time while i saved the money i could still have a nice sound? And could i run the pre amp into a channel strip/ compressor after that. or just get the preamp/chanellstrip/compressor in one for $275? http://www.etcetera.co.uk/news/newsSMP070.shtml <---- thats the one there. does it really matter what sound card i have i have like a creative audigy 5.1 (above 6.1 and 7.1 on the sign) or would it be recomended i upgrade to something like a creative F! fidelity?

and somthing else..this one is confusing. whats the difference between an impedance of '600ohms' and '600ohms balanced'? i know its advised to have under 600ohms impedance so i am unsure what 'balanced' really does.

enough ranting from me

26th July 2006	#1
Docmattic Lives for gear Joined: Jul 2006 Location: Canberra Posts: 846 Thread Starter	Vocal tracking (hiphop) Ok im gonna enquire about a view things here. Firstly the booth we have set up in my mates garage. we have double glazed glass be tweent he two rooms. Id say the garrage is 5m across 2-2.5 meters deep and about 7 or 8 feet high. There is alot of echo. were currently collecting egg cartons to create multiple layers of 'insulation' (i guess thats what you call it.) where it will raise out to 3 layers in someplaces grading down to 2 layers then 1 layer. Hopefully that will decrease tha large amounts of reverb that are in there leaving it warm but not dead. i think we will leave the roof as it is. Would this work? secondly. the equipment. OK im planning on buying a studio projects VTB-1 preamp or sm pro audio's tb-101 (which is a channel strip with compression). but am unsture which pre or mic to buy. I like 2 styles of sound for my voice. its deepish (higher lows) and raspy with slight siblace. Ive been recomended the studio projects B1, the sennheiser 835 and 935, the electrovoice re20, sure 7m, heil Pr-30 or PR-40. theres a start to a list there. The two sounds I like: 1)Somthing that will leave the rasp there but sound warm and present perhaps soundding slightly silky, but can pick up my lows and mids and wont overdo my highs. similar to "stickey fingaz: decade (album)" and "canibus: c section" ((song) perhaps not as silky) 2)Second i like the sound that styles of beyond tends to use. I really like Ryu's raspyish sound with a silkish control over the vocals. I also dont mind the more controled sound of takbir with alot of 'silk'. are any of these sounds possible with any of the equipment im looking into? I dont have an overly large budget. I live in australia so it really costs me more. The pr 30 and 40 are good cheaper options to the sm 7 and the re20 i think. anyway i hope i have given people enough detail to answer my question www.soundclick.com/docmattic <-------- my soundclick if you wish to listen to me hope i dont make your ears bleed too much!!

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27th July 2006	#2
Docmattic Lives for gear Joined: Jul 2006 Location: Canberra Posts: 846 Thread Starter

27th July 2006	#3
FULL-DUPLEX Lives for gear Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 621	Buy the VTB-1! Gives you much for the money (smaller amount). You can try the SM-57 it is cheaper than the SM7 and has also a nice sound. What you need is a good compressor. FMR RNC or ART PRO VLA if it is in your budget... Have fun. F.D.

28th July 2006	#4
BigArt Gear Head Joined: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas,TX Posts: 57	VTB-1

28th July 2006	#5
mentalattica Gear Head Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 36	VTB1 is a good choice. I second the PRO VLA, I use it on almost every vocal take. But I don't think you should be collecting egg cartons, as cool as Hustle and Flow made it look all they're good for is holding eggs.

29th July 2006	#6
Docmattic Lives for gear Joined: Jul 2006 Location: Canberra Posts: 846 Thread Starter	im actually concidering the heil PR-20 for a mic at the moment then the re20 for christmas . If i held off one the compressor for a time while i saved the money i could still have a nice sound? And could i run the pre amp into a channel strip/ compressor after that. or just get the preamp/chanellstrip/compressor in one for $275? http://www.etcetera.co.uk/news/newsSMP070.shtml <---- thats the one there. does it really matter what sound card i have i have like a creative audigy 5.1 (above 6.1 and 7.1 on the sign) or would it be recomended i upgrade to something like a creative F! fidelity? and somthing else..this one is confusing. whats the difference between an impedance of '600ohms' and '600ohms balanced'? i know its advised to have under 600ohms impedance so i am unsure what 'balanced' really does. enough ranting from me