Fruity Loops vs. Mac

[jamessadoway]

yeah i have to say.. stock fl sucks balls.
if you have a decent soundbank/decent plugins

fruity EASILY beats all the other programs.
i dont know anyone that hates fruity who actualy took the time to set it up properly...

another givent... anything lower than fl5 sucks balls as well.

the only thing i hate is its designed so you cannot create your own feedback loop.. you cant send a send to a send.... which totaly sucks.
but im not here to be a hater. i suport fl. and the only people that hate it are the ones that are afraid to think outside of there tight box lol

i use fruity. and i can tell you.. i know of at least one released sarah mclachlan track that was done with fruityloops

[PettyCash]

FL is a good program to get anyone new to beat making off on the right foot. At the same time its advanced enough for more experienced beatmakers to get some good usage out of it and continue using it.

For dance and trance music, the stock sounds in FL are where you need to be, for hip hop they are not the best, if your style of hip hop is more about the live sounding westcoast style than electronic southern style.
I can easily see fruity being used more heavily to produce some of the simpiler types of hip hop beats being put out there these days, particularly southern. I remember watching someone remake the beat for "T.I. -What You Know" and it sounded proper.

The thing to keep in mind with fruity, is that you cant just take raw sounds out of it and use it as is. It takes some really creative tweaking to get things sounding proper, which is why its usually best to rewire it with a DAW better suited for mixing.

I actually found a whole bunch of old beats made totally in FL a while back that where from when I first started out, and I have to say that a lot of them sounded better than I would think they should, which leads me to believe that the sound you get out of FL is all depending on how you take control of the program.

[Lehkz]

Well,
I have worked on Logic Pro 7 for a year in my senior year of HS and I HAVE HAD successes with this program. However , most of my music comes from FLStudio. The GUI is very intuitive and this makes it easy to create and get your ideas out quickly (for me at least). Don't get me wrong , I fell in love with Logic Pro also. It does have more features than FLStudio , but they are just overkill for me. ie : the Notation thingy .

Well to each his own. For me, I ride with FL at the end of the day. I record, mix, and edit in that bitch and it's easier for me to create.

And it ain't always what's inside the computer , it's who's in front of it too.
in... out...

ahhh you know already..

[cynic]

the funny thing is, who the **** uses the stock sounds in ANY other beat making tool?

that's like judging a MPC by the default kits that come with it. people judge live by the quality of the samples it ships with? logic? who the **** does that? come on now....it's just retarded.

load it with your own samples and it kills everything else out there....i love the program.

[AnAverageJoe]

What Kinda of question is that?

[parkay909]

I engineered a track which the producer made the beat in fruityloops. It hit #8 on the billboard rap singles charts this year. Food for thought...

Granted, all the vocals and edits were done on pro tools HD on a mac and it was mixed on a mac HD rig with an SSL board...

[largeunit]

I'll also chime in here with a vote for FL Studio.

I have pretty much every piece of music software you can name. Nothing does what it does. FL Studio is absolutely brilliant.

If you haven't used this program in a while - if the last time you tried it was several years ago - you have to check it out now. It has really evolved.

I just wish they made it for Mac. I hate having to go into Windows.

[BaRaKa Sound]

I grew up on FL. Nothin it can't do. Downward Spiral was made with it (and post-processed in PT)

Anyways if you're on a mac and miss a good step-sequencer, check out iDrum

[Straight]

Originally Posted by brian_delizza

is this a joke?

Having used all of these programs extensively I can safely say that PT and Logic BLOW AWAY fruity loops, assuming you know how to use them, which I'm sure you do...

What features are you looking at that in fruity loops make you say this?

Have you checked out Ableton Live?

logic is a great program with quality effects (one of the best reverb I heard) but fruity is a lot better for hiphop in my opinion.


of course if you know how to use it.

if i had a mac , i would use digital performer

[Straight]

Originally Posted by cynic

the funny thing is, who the **** uses the stock sounds in ANY other beat making tool?

that's like judging a MPC by the default kits that come with it. people judge live by the quality of the samples it ships with? logic? who the **** does that? come on now....it's just retarded.

yeah it makes no sense. those stock sounds are just there so you can "try" the program when youre back from the store.


though, I have mpc default kits and they're quality ones but I only use the hats and crashes sometimes.

[mintyfreshbeats]

FL Studio 8, coming soon!

The SynthMaker plugin looks pretty crazy.

[Dor]

That's a HUGE image.

[lpuma]

I dont want to turn this into a Live vs fruitty loops battle but if you own a mac why dont you try live? I use a pc and Live, I had to deal with FL when rearenging some of my friends beats and it's a good soft but the gui is not as good as live gui to me. + live piano roll is the best I ever tried, it's as easy to use as a step seq (you dont have to reach for a different tool eveytime you want to edit something, try it you'll understand what I mean) but with real piano roll features. + Live have a brunch of features you cant find anywhere else and have decent DAW fuctionalities.

[Lawrence]

I may as well chime in... FLStudio is great. Although I don't understand some of the comments about using it and rendering wav files etc, etc. to import into a daw ??? It's a VSTI for gods sake.

I run it as a VSTI in Cubase and feed 16 stereo busses into the Cubase mixer where I treat them as audio tracks. When I freeze the instrument in Cubase it creates multiple stems that I can just go drag and drop from the project/freeze folder, so getting them to audio files is a single step process. Often I don't even do that unless it's a client who will need the audio files. Other than that I just use it like any VSTI and never render the individual tracks... I just mix.

I would also add that complaining about the stock sounds is also way off bass as you can easily stack multiple samples (and manipulate them individually) to make just about any darn drum sound you want. A lot of people simply don't "get it". It's a one of a kind audio app... there is nothing quite like it.

For what it does well it has no competition. Like Live has some unique features, FL has it's core stuff that's just is not easily replace by othe software programs. It's sample browser is the best I've ever seen and it's stock parametric is a really good eq plugin that I often use on drum sounds before it even gets to the Cubase mixer.

[BaRaKa Sound]

Originally Posted by lpuma

live piano roll is the best I ever tried, it's as easy to use as a step seq (you dont have to reach for a different tool eveytime you want to edit something, try it you'll understand what I mean) but with real piano roll features. + Live have a brunch of features you cant find anywhere else and have decent DAW fuctionalities.

Live's great. However the Piano Roll in FL has way more features.. such as the chopper.. being one of them

[cynic]

Originally Posted by BaRaKa Sound

Live's great. However the Piano Roll in FL has way more features.. such as the chopper.. being one of them

my favorite is the "timestretch" of notes. you can select a range, hit a key modifier (forget what key exactly right now), and streeeeetch your melody out to 1/2 time or doubletime or whatever.

it's so quick to work with too. i cringe every time i have to use the cubase piano roll after i spend awhile in fl. too many tools in cubase....so easy in FL. click to make a note, right click to delete, drag to make it longer.......etc.

FL is great because they pay attention to WORKFLOW and usability issues. a lot of other companies don't.

i'm not versed enough in live to know its ins and outs but i hear the same thing about them as well.

[Ninja Mike 808]

To be perfectly honest, it's not about which program is better. They're all struggling to do something better than the other, and as soon as one comes out with somethin' great, the other comes out with something similar... Like when Pro Tools started upping it's MIDI game after everyone went wide eyed over Logic...

As far as a drum sequencer like FL for Mac, you could try iDrum, it plugs-in to most programs (at least PT, Logic S/ EX & GB)...

My question is, if you're not using the stock samples, and not using the stock plug ins, and not using the stock instruments, then what exactly are you using the program for? Hosting it all? Then the only thing that matters about the program is that you like it and you know where all your shit is.

When it comes to MIDI, tho, it is all the same to me. You got notes, you put em down, you make sure you like the instrument, you move on. The argment goes both ways. There's commercials for Lexus made with GarageBand, there's Mike Shinoda using beats made on GarageBand... There's 9th Wonder "using" Fruity Loops (I say using cause he samples, so it's not really the same thing to me). All you need to do is find somethin' that lets you use it easily, it's not the program, it's you. (I'm getting repetitive)

[ToneCre8]

I'll chime in as well. I like Fl Studio, purchased it earlier this year. I actually love the interface. The sample browsing, step sequencer, piano roll and channel window are genius. For me they are unmatched by any other DAW. The problem that I have with FL is the unprofessional approach the developers seem to have. It's total disregard for SysEx is one example. Another is when I posted on the forums about a bug with FL dropping the 1st midi note when rewired (or VSTi). The developer responded with "This is a known problem in FL Studio and can't be fixed". Even though no other rewired apps exhibit this behavior.

Those 2 things are major for me, my oasys and v-synth gt both speak sysex and are rendered useless without it. Using it rewired and having it drop the first midi note is also useless for me. There are so many other things to like about it (synthmaker!!) but imho, it still has to grow up.

[malgfunk]

FL is cool, it just sounds thin. MPC will have the feel and the sound. You just cant beat hardware for bangin' drums especially when tracking.

[cynic]

Originally Posted by malgfunk

FL is cool, it just sounds thin. MPC will have the feel and the sound. You just cant beat hardware for bangin' drums especially when tracking.

Hella ignorant statement...

Software DAWs sound like what you feed them. The newer MPC's (1k, 2500, 5000) all will have similar sounds to a CPU based system.

By tracking you're introducing other harmonics and changing the sound via preamps, compressors, or whatever else you have in the chain. Of course that's going to make something sound different...

Sorry, but these types of blanket statements make me crazy.

[PettyCash]

I am shocked!! and Appalled!! that you dudes are still arguing over this foolishness lol....

Every program has its advantages. FL Studio is great, but it is not the end all for beat making. Neither is Ableton. Everyone has different ways of how they like to do things. Heck, I have different ways of how I like to do things dependent on the day of the week! Which is why I invest in a variety of different programs and hardware. I would also not dare to compare a piece of hardware to a software program or plugin, they are in two different worlds.... at the end of the day, it all comes down to what sounds you put into your software or MPC. Stock sounds will only bring home the bacon for so long...

[Straight]

yeah , for ME, FL is a good, comfortable and fastest way of beatmaking

Several times I fooled myself with the thought that FL is limiting me cuz it cant sound like this and that, but I always ended up realising that I was suck and not FL.

and since its digital it can sound like any way you want you just gotta bring quality samples.

the only thing that sucks with my FL is MIDI. when I want to trigger my akai s2000 with FL... timing is just ..I don't know the word for it it sucks.
However, I'm still not sure if it's not my XP's fault.

FL is a real nice stuff but it's about taste too someone just don't like it and thats it.

[morebutter]

Originally Posted by MarkusColeman

The (internal) MIDI timing is ABSOLUTLY tight.
In fact, with a little help of my beat detector/envelope follower plug, my voice is the MPC.

What are you using for a beat detector/envelope follower?

I use Live for production and think it's a great tool for laying down beats quickly, especially with the new drum racks in Live 7. Guru is really good too.

[risuku2002]

Originally Posted by MarkusColeman

that´s why now it´s called FL Studio (

funny thing, the aspect of the GUI making you THINK it sounds worse than other DAWs is another aspect.
blind testing will reveal it..........or putting in a visualization plug and listening to it while on/off.

Protool = the Pro
Logic = Logical, high end
Reason = Has a reason to be used
Fruity= fruits and cheese LOL!! what a lousy name, how did they created
such a name at the beginning?
It sounds like it is for kids to make fruity musics and colourful~
FL Studio = Fxxking Loser Studio :P JK
well, but i 'm learning it now rewiring REason to it
at the end it is a good program :P

[Heezzi]

Originally Posted by LK7

FL , PT, Logic are all very different programs with different specialties.

Logic blows PT away at midi. PT blows Logic away at audio editing.
FL if used without worrying about what other people think of it , is a excellent program itself.
Somehow it has gotten a bad rap but if you like being creative when you create sequences and not worrying about technical details than you might just like FL. Would I use it for tracking, heavy midi production.....hell no, but once again thats what PT and Logic are for.

Sonar blows away both. unfortunately this dandy of a program is not on Mac. If it was, you would see. You all would see. Mwahahahaha...

[powarule]

I hate touching a mouse to make beats. Tried the all and I go back to my asr10/mpc3000 combo. for sound and timing.


fl - is a toy.
reason - isnt a toy but fl sounds better.
ableton - who knows the most idiotic interface EVER!!!!! shit looks like alien space console or something.

[azwun25]

Originally Posted by powarule

fl - is a toy.
reason - isnt a toy but fl sounds better.

FL is toy but sounds better than Reason that is not a toy?

Both will get the job done but FL IMO smokes Reason easily on flexibility alone.

[computa]

Originally Posted by halfguard

the same price...............ahhhhh a good copy of fruity is 100$

I didnt think anyone paid for fruity loops

[lpuma]

Originally Posted by powarule

I hate touching a mouse to make beats. Tried the all and I go back to my asr10/mpc3000 combo. for sound and timing.


fl - is a toy.
reason - isnt a toy but fl sounds better.
ableton - who knows the most idiotic interface EVER!!!!! shit looks like alien space console or something.