reason refills sounds = disgrace

[maineventwest]

You hit on a great topic. You are not alone on this so many of our clients reach out to us because of there frustration with many of the popular refills on the market. We specialize in Hip-Hop Refills and Kontakt Libraries would recommend you checking out some of our products below is a video to one of our latest ones. Might be what you are looking for enjoy and good luck dont give up on reason or any software host that feels comfortable. Fast Workflow is the answer sounds we got you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhFRmIdH7A4

[Zachariah]

Sound design is the equivalent of crate digging. Never gets tiring!

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[kojo]

Originally Posted by drethe5th

The prop created refills do sound great.
I use Reason Electric Bass heavily, over 2 other VST that I have.

However I think Reason should put more focus in "finished" sounds or combi patches so it can be used like a VST with minimal tweaking.

The Raw Pallet "sound design" aspect of gets tiresome at times. There are times I need that "perfect sound patch" ready to fire as soon as I hit one note.

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kevWest and Dre hit the nail on the head. reason has Great sound design potential, but Props should now focus on making their combinator presets better. I play guitar/bass so I'm used to tweaking things like reverb, delay, flangers, Phasers, and compression to get the "right" sound but it would be awesome if reason had better bread and butter combinator presets for their stock sounds. If you're more into just playing presets that sound great out the box, then dedicated VSTs/Audio Units are still the way to go. Of course, a number of them cost nearly as much if not more than Reason itself so you do get what you pay for in a way.

[stylesforfree]

check out the doppelgangaz, they use reason, theyre possibly the best thing going on in hip hop in terms of production quality, simply fantastic.

[EddieTheRed]

Originally Posted by janjaal

ummm. u r probably one of those guys who likes to press a button on the midi and want your song to be composed right with that button...

AKA a beatmaker.

[drethe5th]

Originally Posted by Zachariah

Sound design is the equivalent of crate digging. Never gets tiring!

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True/ Not true.

In crate digging & sound design, you specificaly set out to delve into work commitment, in order to create a track.

With patches, sample libraries, work stations - you would hope it simply rocks from the start.

Synths. . . . . Well in general it means that you WANT to explore, alter & create.

So a program/app claiming to be a musuc creation solution should have a solid sound set. I understand why people like synth programing. But also I see a need for "jump start" patches.

A program shouldnt claim to do both, but only focus on 1 or another of those aspects. (Synth Designs vs Sample Patches.)




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[kojo]

Folks, please keep in mind you get NO brownie points for making patches from scratch or spending x-amount of time messing with reverbs or layering. Production is about making great SONGS. the lyrics, artist, and marketing of a SONG is far more important than what/how you made the BEAT. Just because someone relies heavily on presets doesn't make them just a "beat maker"...you'd be downplaying a large amount of successful, Grammy winning professionals in the industry if you went by that. 1.2 million people in the U.S alone just bought Taylor Swift's album last week, you think any of them care either way if Jeff Bhasker used Logic/PT presets on one of the records?

[lemonsquash]

i just d/l'd the reason essentials demo. too bad it doesn't have that malsmström synth.

the price doesn't seem that bad.

[FLYBOYZ123]

Originally Posted by kojo

Folks, please keep in mind you get NO brownie points for making patches from scratch or spending x-amount of time messing with reverbs or layering. Production is about making great SONGS. the lyrics, artist, and marketing of a SONG is far more important than what/how you made the BEAT. Just because someone relies heavily on presets doesn't make them just a "beat maker"...you'd be downplaying a large amount of successful, Grammy winning professionals in the industry if you went by that. 1.2 million people in the U.S alone just bought Taylor Swift's album last week, you think any of them care either way if Jeff Bhasker used Logic/PT presets on one of the records?

AMEN

[joeybanana]

reason got me into beatmaking. i have to thank this DAW so much.

personally i have never seen what some people told me about reason sucks and refills sound crap etc.

i like reason and sometimes i rewire this in PT10 nowadays

[joeybanana]

Originally Posted by kojo

Folks, please keep in mind you get NO brownie points for making patches from scratch or spending x-amount of time messing with reverbs or layering. Production is about making great SONGS. the lyrics, artist, and marketing of a SONG is far more important than what/how you made the BEAT. Just because someone relies heavily on presets doesn't make them just a "beat maker"...you'd be downplaying a large amount of successful, Grammy winning professionals in the industry if you went by that. 1.2 million people in the U.S alone just bought Taylor Swift's album last week, you think any of them care either way if Jeff Bhasker used Logic/PT presets on one of the records?

yes this is what my teacher told me in university, the people ****ing do not care in which DAW and what Plugin you did the song. The people only care about if its good song or not.

and for reason check out this video for example he made a NR 1 hit in 16 countries with reason (even if this is not my music) )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9IpWnFEpLE

[KevWest]

Originally Posted by kojo

kevWest and Dre hit the nail on the head. reason has Great sound design potential, but Props should now focus on making their combinator presets better. I play guitar/bass so I'm used to tweaking things like reverb, delay, flangers, Phasers, and compression to get the "right" sound but it would be awesome if reason had better bread and butter combinator presets for their stock sounds. If you're more into just playing presets that sound great out the box, then dedicated VSTs/Audio Units are still the way to go. Of course, a number of them cost nearly as much if not more than Reason itself so you do get what you pay for in a way.

Personally I would rather them focus on their core DAW features, Recycle intergration, Midi out, an Addictive synth, stand alone FM synth, stand alone drum synth, updating the NNXT, and a few other things before trying to improve those bread and butter sounds. The stock bread and butter stuff imo is fine people just need to want to get the sound they are after rather than just expecting someone else to hand it to them. People act like layering and adding fx is a tall task.

[KevWest]

Originally Posted by kojo

Folks, please keep in mind you get NO brownie points for making patches from scratch or spending x-amount of time messing with reverbs or layering. Production is about making great SONGS. the lyrics, artist, and marketing of a SONG is far more important than what/how you made the BEAT. Just because someone relies heavily on presets doesn't make them just a "beat maker"...you'd be downplaying a large amount of successful, Grammy winning professionals in the industry if you went by that. 1.2 million people in the U.S alone just bought Taylor Swift's album last week, you think any of them care either way if Jeff Bhasker used Logic/PT presets on one of the records?

I agree. My arguments at least for pro sound design has more to do with musical freedom. Know how to get the sound you want rather than getting mad at the program for not having it. Tools are just sketch pads you still have to have good ideas

[Flip Dreams]

You definitely have to tweak the sounds in reason. But the good thing about it is when you save those patches, after a while you build a bank of your own signature sounds..You don't have to sound like everyone else with those vst's..

[Logical Mind]

Originally Posted by Flip Dreams

You definitely have to tweak the sounds in reason. But the good thing about it is when you save those patches, after a while you build a bank of your own signature sounds..You don't have to sound like everyone else with those vst's..

this. Effect patches too.

[rdstreets]

While I agree that in the end it's the final product (song/production quality) that counts, I seriously doubt though that any award winning writer/producer uses stock anything. Yeah, perhaps a particular patch just happens to fit in the mix well as is but in most cases these guys at least perform some minor tweaking to get what they hear in their head.

Honestly, I think music equipment is almost like a religion to artists. If you're a born-again "whatever" no one is going to talk you out of your belief.

If you can't get a good sound out of Reason then I say move on and test the other DAWs/VSTs, etc. to find the workflow and sound sources that get what's in your brain coming out of those speakers with minimal fuss. You'll know when it's working for you and when it does stick with it.

The formula is not the same for everybody.

I tried Logic which was good but for me the hidden menus got in the way. I still have Live and use it on occasion, however I have never been able to create a complete, substantive, rich piece of music from scratch on it.

Reason has always done that for me.

It's natural and since I'm a "tweaker" it almost always sounds good to my ears. For me, I need the sound dry first to understand where it belongs in the song. From there I can build it out with layers and effects as needed. To me this is much easier then having that all thrown in at the start and having to subtract.

Also bear in mind that you need to look at sounds as they integrate in the final mix (not just on their own). Something that sounds thin and uninspiring actually may work well in context with everything else!

[Gdupproductions]

Originally Posted by rdstreets

If you can't get a good sound out of Reason then I say move on and test the other DAWs/VSTs, etc. to find the workflow and sound sources that get what's in your brain coming out of those speakers with minimal fuss.!

Being honest i tried Fl studio again (which is easyer) but felt mutch easyer with Reasons workflow and sound engine. Also somebody correct me but are Vst's OFF note ?, they ussualy sound nothing like how the note should supposed to make em sound.

[drethe5th]

Check your transpose/octave settings on your midi keyboard and software. That may be your issue.

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[Zachariah]

Originally Posted by Gdupproductions

Being honest i tried Fl studio again (which is easyer) but felt mutch easyer with Reasons workflow and sound engine. Also somebody correct me but are Vst's OFF note ?, they ussualy sound nothing like how the note should supposed to make em sound.

Could be midi, could be detuning in the patch

[awhitebeats]

Originally Posted by KevWest

You are comparing a sound library to an instrument with its own internal fx vs something that has to be fairly dry to work a lot of the time. The beauty of Reason isn't in its preset combinator sounds hell most of them suck and combinators don't make it any better. What Reason is great for is mixing and matching a sound of sound sources for layering workstation like sounds. If you are not into creating your own variations of sounds then Reason is probably not for you. If you don't want to work the fx to get something different then again Reason is not for you. If you just want to load and go Reason is likely not for you. Reason is very DYI

I agree...Reason is where it's at

[Realziment]

Originally Posted by janjaal

ummm. u r probably one of those guys who likes to press a button on the midi and want your song to be composed right with that button...

Originally Posted by janjaal

what you just said is like "i bought a Lamborghini, and it's not as fast as i thought. it's trash" why? cuz i only know how to put the car in gear one.

your knowledge is trash to use reason's full potential. go work with EJAY which offers u high quality loops so you don't even need to complain about something which is caused by the lack of your knowledge...

Wow. What does anyone else see in these replies? I see nothing but pure ignorance. I just skimmed trough this thread, but first of all the man is entitled to his opinion. Does not mean he needs a construction kit or a loop to finish his music. I havent used reason in a couple years let alone their refills so im not going to comment, but the vst's he mentioned are pretty good for the most part.

Everyone has a different work flow and a different goal. For some of us we like to start with some dry sounds and work on them from there take our time. For others we need to get ideas down fast because we have writers etc waiting on to get to work on our stuff so we can place the songs etc, which we then can go back and fine tune, change out sounds, even re arrange parts whatever. I see a lot of big names working this way too.

Me, i work a combination of both ways i described, i could go on about other workflows too.

Both of your responses were ignorant suggesting everyone works or should work like you? Wheres your manners big shot.

[nznexus]

reason refills are only good for reason...

for a reason

[FLYINGJAY]

Originally Posted by nznexus

reason refills are only good for reason...

for a reason

Umm,that's not true many sounds come in kontakt,esx24 and many other formats.

I have them all,digital is digital.its all about workflow.

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[samplecrazy11]

I've always loved Reason until I found out a few things...

1. They put a limiter, compressor on your tracks unless you bypass it
2. I got Komplete 8 and Sylenth !

[rdstreets]

Originally Posted by samplecrazy11

I've always loved Reason until I found out a few things...

1. They put a limiter, compressor on your tracks unless you bypass it
2. I got Komplete 8 and Sylenth !

If you are going to make the claim regarding the refills being pre-limited/compressed can you please cite your source? Otherwise we don't know whether or not you're just making stuff up.

I've used Reason for many years and never have heard or read a word about this.

Thanks!

[BeatGenerals]

I honestly stopped using Reason cause I felt like the sounds didnt compare at all to some of the VSTs I got. Although I do admit I'm not a huge fan of manipulating synths for half an hour to recreate a preset I have in a vst so maybe its just me lol.

[Zachariah]

Originally Posted by samplecrazy11

I've always loved Reason until I found out a few things...

1. They put a limiter, compressor on your tracks unless you bypass it
2. I got Komplete 8 and Sylenth !

Are you talking about the Mastering Suite Combi?

[Halma]

Originally Posted by BeatGenerals

I honestly stopped using Reason cause I felt like the sounds didnt compare at all to some of the VSTs I got. Although I do admit I'm not a huge fan of manipulating synths for half an hour to recreate a preset I have in a vst so maybe its just me lol.

And this might be the difference between you and me. You are trying to recreate a VST preset, I am creating the vision I have in my mind. It´s a little bit like the slogan "better than the original". I mean, how can something be better than the original? Either you like it or not.

And most of the sounds I am creating could be done in a matter of seconds or minutes. It´s the finetuning while creating the whole track that lasts longer than the creation of it.

[rdstreets]

Here's another thing to consider...

With the constant operating system updates we encounter as music creators, which eventually require we update out hardware, the last thing I need is to also have to cough up extra money to update plugins I already paid for.

What if you want to call up an older song? Potentially if it relied heavily on a combination of various VSTs you may not have an easy time accessing it the way it was. What if a VST is no longer supported in the next platform generation? Your option then is to find something close and again open your wallet.

This is why I like both the Refill and Rack Extension format in Reason. You just buy the next update and everything ties in automatically.

In addition there is undo functionality as well as the reverse rack for all sorts of wire access to seperate components of the device (FX or CV as an example). VST doesn't offer this.

But again, if you have a set of plugins that make your music kick, I say stick with it.

[KevWest]

Originally Posted by rdstreets

Here's another thing to consider...

With the constant operating system updates we encounter as music creators, which eventually require we update out hardware, the last thing I need is to also have to cough up extra money to update plugins I already paid for.

What if you want to call up an older song? Potentially if it relied heavily on a combination of various VSTs you may not have an easy time accessing it the way it was. What if a VST is no longer supported in the next platform generation? Your option then is to find something close and again open your wallet.

This is why I like both the Refill and Rack Extension format in Reason. You just buy the next update and everything ties in automatically.

In addition there is undo functionality as well as the reverse rack for all sorts of wire access to seperate components of the device (FX or CV as an example). VST doesn't offer this.

But again, if you have a set of plugins that make your music kick, I say stick with it.

This is my favorite part about the Reason format. That and you don't have to remember every plug in you ever bought from every manufacturer because everyone does dl only now. I miss buying boxes and just installing from the boxed content. I keep telling myself from now on I am only buying plug ins from certain companies so that I don't have to keep a long list hidden some where to keep up with all of my plug ins lol