Good Kid M.a.a.d. City - Production Discussion

[Lipps]

While the dude can rap and the production is solid. In no way can I call this a classic. Why? 1) its been a week. 2) neither Kendrick nor the album have "it"!

Get rich or die tryin was real from the word go! & I hate 50. But that album had "it"

That "it" factor that makes an artist stand out!

"It" is the reason JayZ is better than NaS. (Nas is my favorite rapper all time)

The reason you"ll watch a Robert De Niro movie. He's a good actor but not the greatest. He just jumps off the screen when he's on it. The same way people like Gus Johnson (sports announcer) jumps out at you.

"It" separates winning and losing politicians. Obama has "it" , end of story.

So does Rush Limbaugh, Howard Stern & Emerald from the food network. Other people make quality products alike. Sme "technically" better. But not "it"

He's a hell of a rapper and the album is good, no doubt, but in no way do I find myself itching to bang it. More like forcing myself to listen because of the hype to see if it will be "classic".

Enough rambling.........

[The Hydrilla]

Obviously agree with your first point; its only been a week. The 'it' factor on the other hand is linked to mass appeal, and that is not a prerequisite for a classic anything. Classics to me are generally the first of their kind or unique some way or another, or something that has staying power. Anyway, its all highly subjective, but I have been enjoying this release more than most this year.

[Lipps]

Originally Posted by The Hydrilla

Obviously agree with your first point; its only been a week. The 'it' factor on the other hand is linked to mass appeal, and that is not a prerequisite for a classic anything. Classics to me are generally the first of their kind or unique some way or another, or something that has staying power. Anyway, its all highly subjective, but I have been enjoying this release more than most this year.

Then we are talking about weather or not its a "cult" classic. A classic is overwhelming and undeniable. Chronic is classic. The blueprint is classic. Thriller is classic. NO mf can argue that. The fact that its up for debate ( besides the fact it's only been a week ) eliminates it from being a true classic.

[BrokenSilenceEnt]

Originally Posted by Lipps

While the dude can rap and the production is solid. In no way can I call this a classic. Why? 1) its been a week. 2) neither Kendrick nor the album have "it"!

Get rich or die tryin was real from the word go! & I hate 50. But that album had "it"

That "it" factor that makes an artist stand out!

"It" is the reason JayZ is better than NaS. (Nas is my favorite rapper all time)

The reason you"ll watch a Robert De Niro movie. He's a good actor but not the greatest. He just jumps off the screen when he's on it. The same way people like Gus Johnson (sports announcer) jumps out at you.

"It" separates winning and losing politicians. Obama has "it" , end of story.

So does Rush Limbaugh, Howard Stern & Emerald from the food network. Other people make quality products alike. Sme "technically" better. But not "it"

He's a hell of a rapper and the album is good, no doubt, but in no way do I find myself itching to bang it. More like forcing myself to listen because of the hype to see if it will be "classic".

Enough rambling.........

i must say that entire rant was quite foolish. if your talking about kendricks demeanor not appealing to you then that's one thing but your judging people on some intangible that you cant even describe. if you simply mean to say swag, kill yourself. but if by "it" you mean actual substance beyond a hit record, then clean the wax out of your ears. /end rant

[beyondat]

Originally Posted by Lipps

While the dude can rap and the production is solid. In no way can I call this a classic. Why? 1) its been a week. 2) neither Kendrick nor the album have "it"!

Get rich or die tryin was real from the word go! & I hate 50. But that album had "it"

That "it" factor that makes an artist stand out!

"It" is the reason JayZ is better than NaS. (Nas is my favorite rapper all time)

The reason you"ll watch a Robert De Niro movie. He's a good actor but not the greatest. He just jumps off the screen when he's on it. The same way people like Gus Johnson (sports announcer) jumps out at you.

"It" separates winning and losing politicians. Obama has "it" , end of story.

So does Rush Limbaugh, Howard Stern & Emerald from the food network. Other people make quality products alike. Sme "technically" better. But not "it"

He's a hell of a rapper and the album is good, no doubt, but in no way do I find myself itching to bang it. More like forcing myself to listen because of the hype to see if it will be "classic".

Enough rambling.........

I agree 100%

Dre doesn't get behind projects that aren't intended to reach a certain level of success. Kendrick isn't suppose to have just a cult following. I don't see that "it" factor from Kendrick. Not on the level of Drake,The Game or Snoop when they were big.

[beyondat]

Originally Posted by BrokenSilenceEnt

i must say that entire rant was quite foolish. if your talking about kendricks demeanor not appealing to you then that's one thing but your judging people on some intangible that you cant even describe. if you simply mean to say swag, kill yourself. but if by "it" you mean actual substance beyond a hit record, then clean the wax out of your ears. /end rant

What was the last hit record that had actual "substance"?

[beat you down]

it's not illmatic.

but i can see it on personal hip hop geek blogs 10 yrs from now.

[Dayl]

True that. But I get this feeling that his next album will render this to be a transitional album. I'm expecting big things... and in addition.. man.. I'm ready to put money on the Black Hippy album being crazy.

[raffael77]

Kendrick is a big joke. Lame rhyme style like any other famous rapper. Like rhymin with a nag voice.

He's trying to be cool with rap disses agains't commercial pophoppers and other fake clowns like Hopsin.

90% of la la land is crap including Lamar, Danny Brown, Odd Future posse (Next ICP) and A$AP clowns crew.

Most people have no ****ing clue what hiphop is today. All they do is to blame me and others are agains't fake shit.

Today you get hyped by media/radio to much that others have no chance at all. It's not they can't make hiphop music, it's because "They" (the ones who control the music industry) supporting the wrong artists.

Making money says nothing about the quality of music. It says you have status and image what others don't have. I won't make you an mc.

Why the F*** do you think Wayne is on the top, do you really think he is great.

There are many rappers and less Mc's.

[Dayl]

Wtf are you talking about raffa? Kendrick & Danny have both got skills. Your cynical mainstream rants cover no new ground, are cliche and lack a lot of insight. You're welcome to your views and options, but trying to put everything in one box is ...just short sighted..

Tunnel vision doesn't sound like the way to go

[Cam Citi]

since when did kendrick dis anybody? ive never heard that record...

[aproblem]

asap is from harlem not la

[Retrofreak]

Kendrick is an extremely skilful MC and I believe this album is a modern classic.

[Johntron512]

Welcome to 2012, the time where all arguments are polarized to black or white.

Why can't it just be that some people like Kendrick but not wanna marry him? Why can't people let him do his thing and say they don't always feel what he's doing sometimes.

No, it has to be KENDRICK IS THE LORD RISEN! or KENDRICK IS WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE WORLD TODAY!

smh...

[Hobbs_Won]

Originally Posted by aproblem

asap is from harlem not la

And Danny Brown is from Detroit, lol...

[Hobbs_Won]

Originally Posted by raffael77

Kendrick is a big joke. Lame rhyme style like any other famous rapper. Like rhymin with a nag voice.

He's trying to be cool with rap disses agains't commercial pophoppers and other fake clowns like Hopsin.

90% of la la land is crap including Lamar, Danny Brown, Odd Future posse (Next ICP) and A$AP clowns crew.

Most people have no ****ing clue what hiphop is today. All they do is to blame me and others are agains't fake shit.

Today you get hyped by media/radio to much that others have no chance at all. It's not they can't make hiphop music, it's because "They" (the ones who control the music industry) supporting the wrong artists.

Making money says nothing about the quality of music. It says you have status and image what others don't have. I won't make you an mc.

Why the F*** do you think Wayne is on the top, do you really think he is great.

There are many rappers and less Mc's.

It's cool to have an opinion...but not an agenda.

[yosemitesam]

Originally Posted by raffael77

Kendrick is a big joke. Lame rhyme style like any other famous rapper. Like rhymin with a nag voice.

He's trying to be cool with rap disses agains't commercial pophoppers and other fake clowns like Hopsin.

90% of la la land is crap including Lamar, Danny Brown, Odd Future posse (Next ICP) and A$AP clowns crew.

Most people have no ****ing clue what hiphop is today. All they do is to blame me and others are agains't fake shit.

Today you get hyped by media/radio to much that others have no chance at all. It's not they can't make hiphop music, it's because "They" (the ones who control the music industry) supporting the wrong artists.

Making money says nothing about the quality of music. It says you have status and image what others don't have. I won't make you an mc.

Why the F*** do you think Wayne is on the top, do you really think he is great.

There are many rappers and less Mc's.

bitch, don't kill my vibe.

[raffael77]

Originally Posted by Dayl

Wtf are you talking about raffa? Kendrick & Danny have both got skills. Your cynical mainstream rants cover no new ground, are cliche and lack a lot of insight. You're welcome to your views and options, but trying to put everything in one box is ...just short sighted..

Tunnel vision doesn't sound like the way to go

I'm far beyond hiphop, it's even more stupid if you listen only hiphop.

It's about the truth, Lamar, Danny Bronw ain't talking about bringing hiphop culture back. They destroying it and you to dumb to see it.

[Dayl]

Originally Posted by raffael77

I'm far beyond hiphop, it's even more stupid if you listen only hiphop.

It's about the truth, Lamar, Danny Bronw ain't talking about bringing hiphop culture back. They destroying it and you to dumb to see it.

Ok, you dont have to worry about it being "even more stupid" diversity is king.

While there was a lot that I had never heard, I agreed with much of your best of 2012 list. I dont think I lack the critical insight or knowledge to make a good call here and there, I just have a different perspective and outlook. Much less doom and gloom, more progressive.

Just dont feel like you have to belittle the efforts of others just because they caught a wave and are riding it a little differently than some of your favourites.

[Stackx]

Hiphop always gets put into this real and fake debate. That's why I hate going back and forth about music. I guess if you want real you should listen to gospel rap.

[raffael77]

The list is just an example most people don't know hiphop no more today. Specially the youth and generation till the mid 20's. The old generation got stuck in the past.

What i try to tell is keeping hiphop alive is rollin down with the ones who support the culture and edutainment style of hiphop. A lot of hiphop today is just a copy but some do it right and some don't.

A better music taste exist (My opinion)

The best hiphop is complex hiphop.

Lamar can spit fire in different ways, he can rhyme fast or slow with a nag flow. His strength is his flow. The lyrics are standard and that's what's makes him weak. The production is lame and that also works not on the longer run.

Onry Ozzborn has a variety flow, great vocal sound, more complex lyrics and he also got dope beats from Zavala (both from Dark Time Sunshine).

On the westcoast style of hiphop i prefer CO$$, Freestyle Fellowship, Dave Dub or People Under The Stairs.

[Dayl]

Thats cool, I can see where you're coming from and it isn't bad at all. I wont be arguing the Lamar thing with you, but will be checking a few of those artists you mentioned as they are new to me.

Cheers.

[Johntron512]

Dark Time Sunshine is def worth checking out.

[beat you down]

Originally Posted by raffael77

...The best hiphop is complex hiphop...

there's not much of that in the wild style movie.

[raffael77]

Originally Posted by beat you down

there's not much of that in the wild style movie.

But mc's like Melle Mel, Grandmaster Caz or Kool Moe Dee were lyrical masters in the early days of hiphop.

They also were revolutionaire in RAP (Rap & Poetry). Most new school mc's (also the golden age time) have something from the past. Nas has a vocal mix between Kool G Rap en G Wiz. A new dope mc is Self Provoked and he sounds like the Hieroglyphics crew.

The best thing from the past is Culture and Harmony.

The whole gangsta rap area destroyed edutainment hiphop.

What did Nas, Jay-Z, Diddy, Biggie and Pac. Nothing!!!!

Holding their hands up for money and not for the love of the art form hiphop.

[beat you down]

Originally Posted by raffael77

But mc's like Melle Mel, Grandmaster Caz or Kool Moe Dee were lyrical masters in the early days of hiphop.

They also were revolutionaire in RAP (Rap & Poetry). Most new school mc's (also the golden age time) have something from the past. Nas has a vocal mix between Kool G Rap en G Wiz. A new dope mc is Self Provoked and he sounds like the Hieroglyphics crew.

The best thing from the past is Culture and Harmony.

The whole gangsta rap area destroyed edutainment hiphop.

What did Nas, Jay-Z, Diddy, Biggie and Pac. Nothing!!!!

Holding their hands up for money and not for the love of the art form hiphop.

most 1st gen mc's talked about gettin' girls, sniffin' coke, cars, money etc.
lil wayne is not much different from them.

this whole so called hiero conscious back pack rap is just a fragment of what hip hop is about. they are not complex either.

both hip hop.
there's no real or fake hip hop, just different personal prefs.

[Hobbs_Won]

Originally Posted by raffael77

But mc's like Melle Mel, Grandmaster Caz or Kool Moe Dee were lyrical masters in the early days of hiphop.

They also were revolutionaire in RAP (Rap & Poetry). Most new school mc's (also the golden age time) have something from the past. Nas has a vocal mix between Kool G Rap en G Wiz. A new dope mc is Self Provoked and he sounds like the Hieroglyphics crew.

The best thing from the past is Culture and Harmony.

The whole gangsta rap area destroyed edutainment hiphop.

What did Nas, Jay-Z, Diddy, Biggie and Pac. Nothing!!!!

Holding their hands up for money and not for the love of the art form hiphop.

Culture and Harmony??

Dude Hip Hop came up in the CRACK ERA...this times you were talking about there was a lot of harmony... a lot of dudes getting killed in the street rocking kangols and 4 finger rings...listening to the same shit you headbeat all day on here....

Alpo, AZ, Larry Davis, Rich Porter....they bumped all of that...

Are you saying they weren't part of that culture??? Are you saying that hip hop then was more about culture because it didn't glorify it? These rappers were chilling with the same thugs in the clubs, partying and shit.

Just because rappers evolved into the 90's and stopped with the bang to the boogie, up jump the boogie shit, doesn't mean they don't represent the culture. They just started to reflect what they saw everyday in a creative way.

Violence and glorification of the dollar was always a part of this. You think these dudes making records then didn't want to be rich??

And still, at the end of the day it all boils down to preference.

[raffael77]

Wake up!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3-7Y0xG89Q

[Stackx]

I thought kool g rap, rakim, big daddy Kane, n az was the best ones in that era back then. But I have to agree.. The music back then is not much different then what's talked about now. Between drugs, girls, money, whose hotter then the next and **** the police it's still the same. Actually evolved I feel like artist actually have more of a subject base structure in their songs with multiple different subjects in a single album, where as back in the day their would only be very few enjoyable tracks in a single album.

[Tnevz]

Originally Posted by raffael77

The best thing from the past is Culture and Harmony.

The whole gangsta rap area destroyed edutainment hiphop.

What did Nas, Jay-Z, Diddy, Biggie and Pac (do). Nothing!!!!

Holding their hands up for money and not for the love of the art form hiphop.

First off...

-The best thing from the past is,
LEARNING FROM IT.
That's life 101 homie.

Those same economics and social issues that basically forced people to go out and tell their story aren't the same. They may be prevalent but not near as much. Technology alone has allowed us to see what really happens, in various parts of the world. And the stories have been told a thousand times by now.

-All that gansta rap WAS edutainment. It was educating people on sh-t that the media wasn't showing people.

-Nas, jay-z, biggie, and Pac were better story tellers with better stories and telling them in a more creative ways.

Your love of art form might be deep.. But does that really make you anymore passionate than a fan thats been thru the same shit jeezy talkin bout on a record?
Fact is a kid could be as passionate about Wayne cuz he grew up the same way in the same neighborhood. Doesn't make his love of hiphop less true than yours.

-And last but not least that hiphop culture your referring to was destined to change, evolve, and leave plenty of people in the past because of how fast it changes.
All cultures elvove and change, it's the nature of improvement.
And while the improvement part may be arguable in hiphop, I think most would agree that living in the past is not and cannot be improving upon anything.