20th October 2012
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#1 | | Lives for gear
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Thread Starter | Professional Keyboardist?
Hello there!
I was watching many concerts on youtube today, and was wondering how do I become one of those guys playing the keyboards with the artist. Meaning, how do I become in an artist's live band.
I am 18, not too good at reading (unless it is reading treble, I can ace that). Know tons of rhythmic and music theory. I know chord professions and how to transpose in the head. But how can I become professional?
I am thinking of practicing all my scales, but that the only thing I know what to do.
What else should I do to make it as keyboardist for an artist's live band? Will reading be involved heavily?
If anyone of you has played in a high profile artist live band let me know. I am just trying to be the greatest and I am really determined to do iT!
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20th October 2012
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#2 | | Lives for gear
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I think before trying to be a professional, audition for some local bands, play in local bars/night clubs and stuff. If you're good, you'll work your way up eventually.
You can also use youtube as a demo format to showcase your skills. Videotape yourself playing some cover songs, and if your good you'll get a lot of views and might get discovered on youtube.
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20th October 2012
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#3 | | Lives for gear
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First off you got to be talented and second you gotta have piano chops.
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20th October 2012
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#4 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by mrwonderful First off you got to be talented and second you gotta have piano chops. | I already play keys. I am not bad, but not professional either.
Hence, why I need advice.
Stating the obvious is not help here.
There are tons of piano prodigies I have heard of once and never heard again, meaning talent isn't everything unless people feel what you play.
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20th October 2012
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#5 | | Lives for gear
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It works like this: you need to play in a local band. You and some friends. You will mingle with other local bands in the scene. Your band will open for bigger bands. You will make friends with people along the way. Eventually, when an opening comes up, someone will contact you if they think you're a good player and a nice guy.
My guess is that if you were to survey professional keyboard players, you would find that 99% of them had been taking piano lessons since childhood. At any rate, that will be your competition: guys who are your age that that already have 10+ years experience on the instrument and can sight read in their sleep. If you grind away at it, though, perhaps you could be good enough by 23 or 24. Also, you get bonus points if you're attractive, have a muscular build and cool hair.
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20th October 2012
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#6 | | Lives for gear
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The auditions for these things are going to be packed with berkelee cats etc that are exceptional musicians. You need chops, to be able to play, transpose by ear and even better if you know thousands of songs off the top of your head.
But...there is more than that. It doesn't take Stevie Wonder to backup Jordin Sparks. The guy who gets that gig is 6'2 and ultra fit, very fashionably dressed and styled hair/tatts/piercings etc. Also it will help if you have supreme ableton skills and can double on keys and running the playback tracks.
After that move to LA, or maybe NY. Those are the places where the auditions are held, and go to music school (even CC) that way you get to know people in that scene so you can do as many of them as possible.
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21st October 2012
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#7 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by RyanC The auditions for these things are going to be packed with berkelee cats etc that are exceptional musicians. You need chops, to be able to play, transpose by ear and even better if you know thousands of songs off the top of your head.
But...there is more than that. It doesn't take Stevie Wonder to backup Jordin Sparks. The guy who gets that gig is 6'2 and ultra fit, very fashionably dressed and styled hair/tatts/piercings etc. Also it will help if you have supreme ableton skills and can double on keys and running the playback tracks.
After that move to LA, or maybe NY. Those are the places where the auditions are held, and go to music school (even CC) that way you get to know people in that scene so you can do as many of them as possible. | Thanks for the advice man.
But i heard all Berklee cats play the same lol
But the advice is solid. Thank you
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21st October 2012
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#8 | | Lives for gear
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Yea.. they play the same. Well.
That's all that matters. You're playing somebody's backing track, not being an original artist. Nobody cares about your original voice if you're an anonymous dude in some star's band.
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21st October 2012
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#9 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by Ambience Thanks for the advice man.
But i heard all Berklee cats play the same lol
But the advice is solid. Thank you | You have a church background?
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21st October 2012
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#10 | | Lives for gear
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Chord professions?
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21st October 2012
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#11 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by Ambience I already play keys. I am not bad, but not professional either.
Hence, why I need advice.
Stating the obvious is not help here.
There are tons of piano prodigies I have heard of once and never heard again, meaning talent isn't everything unless people feel what you play. | Okay then start working with professional artists..
Get a promoter, hire a established manager, contact A&Rs.. Etc
It takes money to make money. Invest wisely.
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21st October 2012
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#12 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by RyanC You have a church background? | Yes
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21st October 2012
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#13 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by mrwonderful Okay then start working with professional artists..
Get a promoter, hire a established manager, contact A&Rs.. Etc
It takes money to make money. Invest wisely. | Now thts good advice lol thanks man
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23rd October 2012
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#14 | | Lives for gear
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Like everyone said, it starts with a local band. Again, like everyone said, most people who play keys live are exceptionally talented and have a bunch of experience playing the keys. I know a few people who do this and their level of talent is often far above who they play with.
My advice is to get to the point where you can play anything you hear without much work. Sitting in on some of my friends bands, that's really what the keyboard player does, the guitar player jams something out, the keyboard player plays it back. They may just sing notes. Then the keyboard player "embellishes" that idea a bit to bring the instrument out.
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23rd October 2012
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#15 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by 3rd Degree Like everyone said, it starts with a local band. Again, like everyone said, most people who play keys live are exceptionally talented and have a bunch of experience playing the keys. I know a few people who do this and their level of talent is often far above who they play with.
My advice is to get to the point where you can play anything you hear without much work. Sitting in on some of my friends bands, that's really what the keyboard player does, the guitar player jams something out, the keyboard player plays it back. They may just sing notes. Then the keyboard player "embellishes" that idea a bit to bring the instrument out. | Will do. Im practicing two to three hours a day starting today. Going to go over scales over and over again till i master them completely. Once i do that everything will come to me lol
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23rd October 2012
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#16 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by Bender412 Chord professions? |  I have no idea why but I found this response hilarious but you know what he meant.
__________________ Music is in no way just a mode of amusement and entertainment, it is an integral part of my way of life, my mode of being in the world.
Music we need when language fails us, but we cannot remain silent. |
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7th November 2012
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#17 | | Gear interested
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Go to Chuuuch! Listen, practice, perform, repeat....eventually you can get there if you dedicate yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlyL-f8lTi0
Thats me on the rhodes and moog bass. I will say don't expect to make any money for a long long long long time  Do it for the love....
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7th November 2012
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#18 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by afrokeys Go to Chuuuch! Listen, practice, perform, repeat....eventually you can get there if you dedicate yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlyL-f8lTi0
Thats me on the rhodes and moog bass. I will say don't expect to make any money for a long long long long time  Do it for the love.... | Wow man your really great!
Love the coloring of your chords!
And hell yeah man i could care less about money. I'll burn it all in your face, i do it for the passion!
How do you practice? Any specific exercises you do?
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7th November 2012
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#19 | | Lives for gear
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Originally Posted by Ambience Will do. Im practicing two to three hours a day starting today. Going to go over scales over and over again till i master them completely. Once i do that everything will come to me lol | From a late started (on keys) myself, obviously you have to know your scales. However you would be better server starting on the Back 2 part inventions then the 3 part sinfonias, then playing scales for an hour a day. Those will teach you much more about how music works than playing Db 3 octave scale at a billion bpm.
Learn as many accompaniment styles on the basic chord progressions as you can.
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8th November 2012
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#20 | | Gear maniac
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I'm one of those guys in the background with the tats and hair lol. Advice that I wish someone had given me.. Play in church, get a great teacher, join a pop/soul cover band for the repetoire.
In terms of practising, technical exercises are essential but learning songs is more important. Learn to play changes.. build your way up!
Oh and get a teacher !!
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8th November 2012
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#21 | | Gear interested
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Excercises? Not anymore....Although I play nearly every day for at least an hour, its whatever I am feeling at the time. I would say start with music theory first. Theory will get your mind going in the right direction. To me, memorizing the intervals between notes and cords is the key to really being able to play. Knowing what they sound like, where they are, and being able to forget the middle step in the sequence of Feel-Think-Play......That's a real player right there, imo......
A tip: When loading up a song or session (Used to take forever), have a keyboard plugged in and try to figure out the last song you heard. I spent years doing that and I am convinced it helped me get to where I am today.
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