Am I taking a step back by...?

[yosemitesam]

In terms of purely producing, I like Logic better, but that might only be because I know it better. Lots of people have had success producing with Logic. Lots of people have had success producing with Pro Tools, too. Producing really well is hard regardless of whether you use Pro Tools or Logic. (I know because I still have a ton to learn, and it's been hard enough just getting to this point!) You might be wise to stick with Pro Tools just because you've already invested some effort in it, rather than going back to square 1 with Logic.

[Tnevz]

Nah man. Your spot on really.
Most people that have used both will tell you that Logic is better with midi and protools is better with audio.
I haven't used pt10, but I've heard gripes about the midi from others.
Logic isn't terrible with audio, it's just not as efficient as pt in terms of editing. Audiosuite for example.

[CharlesEdward]

All daws can do exactly the same thing any other daw can do in this day, so its really all about preference. So far ableton is my home sweet home, but I still like to drop by and visit fl,reason, and studio one from time to time. Its all bout preference so don't let anybody try and gas you up.

[TYPHY]

What is it about PT's midi editing capabilities that seem limited to you?

I use PT and haven't ran into any midi editing problems at all.

[wcb123]

Cubase. Better for both Audio and MIDI imo.

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[King Of World]

Originally Posted by TYPHY

What is it about PT's midi editing capabilities that seem limited to you?

I use PT and haven't ran into any midi editing problems at all.

Idno I guess I was just never rly able to get out my ideas the way I rly wanted to in Pro Tools... I'm pretty sure this is due to the lack of IN DEPTH tutorials on the midi side of Pro Tools, whereas Logic has tons of em. I do have to say I miss the AIR plugins like Lo-Fi for my drums and Xpand2.

[Azamat Bagatov]

Originally Posted by TYPHY

What is it about PT's midi editing capabilities that seem limited to you?

I use PT and haven't ran into any midi editing problems at all.

Um... You have to jump into a whole new screen to view midi editing.

Looping is shaky at best.

Rewiring causes first notes in slave program not to trigger if they were recorded in slave program.

No built in arpeggiator

No built in midi effects

Slow load of plugins (gotta stop song or else pt will crash)

No drag and drop audio

No sampler

pain in ass to switch resolutions

Many vst instruments have no rtas capacity and even those that do don't work the best in pt.


The only thing I like about protools is audio editing, mixing, and using external instruments. Programming? Heeeelll no.

[JonnBoy]

Studio One. Do it. Just do it. I used to be a devoted logic/cubase user. Haven't looked back. MIDI, audio editing, recording. Now I don't ever have to fight my DAW.

[Ezionjd]

It seems like you allready answered your own question, in the way you learned Logic a lot faster. Maybe it just suits you better than PT? That being said, have you tried any other DAW's out there. Remember, it's a program you will be listening to, and an enviroment you will be spending a lot of time in. Might as well make it a good experience.

[TYPHY]

Originally Posted by Azamat Bagatov

Um... You have to jump into a whole new screen to view midi editing.

Looping is shaky at best.

Rewiring causes first notes in slave program not to trigger if they were recorded in slave program.

No built in arpeggiator

No built in midi effects

Slow load of plugins (gotta stop song or else pt will crash)

No drag and drop audio

No sampler

pain in ass to switch resolutions

Many vst instruments have no rtas capacity and even those that do don't work the best in pt.


The only thing I like about protools is audio editing, mixing, and using external instruments. Programming? Heeeelll no.

I guess everyone has different workflows.
My workflow with PT is flawless.
I have no problems whatsoever.

[daez]

Would consider it a step sideways as apposed to a step back. Sometimes a new environment is a great thing for creativity and getting the inspiration flowing. All of these programs are more than capable.

[d1rdyd]

Fl studio ftw

[3rd Degree]

I love PT for so many reasons but I cannot deal with creating midi based things in it. There isn't anything that I find to be "wrong" with it, it's just a bunch of small things that bug me, or suck the focus out of me. I don't want to knock it as I know many people who are 100% PT for beat making and make great stuff. I have sat in with them thinking they had some cool tricks but they just did everything the same as me, they just liked the environment more.


I don't know Logic but I have used enough programs to know that when something works, it just works. When something doesn't, it just doesn't. Many people can see why I stick with Reason with all these new features in other programs, much less the lack of vst support. I don't care, it works and works well for me.

Nothing is ever a step backwards if you either make better music, or the same music but enjoy it more. I don't care if it's a Casio through a tape deck, whatever makes great music, don't think rationally about creative processes. Not that PT make more sense than Logic or vice versa, but I know more people using Logic than PT for beat making/instrumentals.

[bigyo]

use Logic to compose\produce>>>>export audio files>>>import them into Protools>>.add more seasoning(Protools synths are dope) ...Mix it down baby

[King Of World]

Originally Posted by bigyo

use Logic to compose\produce>>>>export audio files>>>import them into Protools>>.add more seasoning(Protools synths are dope) ...Mix it down baby

Man I wish Logic and Pro Tools teamed up and made a crazy hybrid DAW with all their sounds and features combined.. I'm gna try that though, is there a way to export all the midi files from logic into pro tools so I could then use like... Lo-Fi and the AIR plugins to manipulate each individual midi drum or sound ?

[Tnevz]

I'm gonna go ahead and take this opportunity, once again, to go in on digidesign for charging $800+ for the damn expansion which, finally gets you a sampler. One of these days those greedy bastards, might hear me or us if anybody else feels the same way... K I'm done. Thanks.

[Tnevz]

Originally Posted by King Of World

Man I wish Logic and Pro Tools teamed up and made a crazy hybrid DAW with all their sounds and features combined.. I'm gna try that though, is there a way to export all the midi files from logic into pro tools so I could then use like... Lo-Fi and the AIR plugins to manipulate each individual midi drum or sound ?

Uhhhh, well yeah you can export the midi, but that only triggers the sound of the instruments, it produces no sound on its own...so that's not what you want in most cases. You'll want to export the audio from Logic and import into protools.

[Ezionjd]

Gonna go on record here and say that if i could work as fast in PT as i can in Logic, i would switch in a heartbeat.

[bigyo]

1 thing that Logic has that absolutely crushes Protools in all phases of musical/ midi production is the EXS24 sampler

[bigyo]

Originally Posted by King Of World

is there a way to export all the midi files from logic into pro tools so I could then use like... Lo-Fi and the AIR plugins to manipulate each individual midi drum or sound ?

as long as you have the same instruments on those channel strips

[Tnevz]

Originally Posted by bigyo

1 thing that Logic has that absolutely crushes Protools in all phases of musical/ midi production is the EXS24 sampler

No doubt. The exs 24 is the sampler I use the most, without question. It could be better in some ways, but honestly it does 98% of what you need and it does it very effeciently.

[buttoncliquer]

Originally Posted by Tnevz

but honestly it does 98% of what you need and it does it very effeciently.

Except being analog

[Tnevz]

Originally Posted by buttoncliquer

Except being analog

I'm sure nostalgic people said similar things when "analog" synths came along and were being used more than acoustical instruments.

[psycho_monkey]

Originally Posted by buttoncliquer

Except being analog

Apart from tape looping and the mellotron, I can't name an analogue sampler...

[drethe5th]

I think PT is better for audio, Logic better for composing.

Taking a step back, not at all.

However, by switching DAW's and not learning an app 100% is wasting time and money. So in the end your productivity suffers, and that is the reason we say were switching. Better productivity. That in itself can be taking a step back.

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[L.C.W]

dont look back, anything you learn in a daw is transferable to any other daw, names of things might change etc but once you get past that, in general its all the same only workflow preference and the odd improvement or new feature, although some people swear by it, i dont really see pt as a production/ song creating daw, logic or live seem better for that

[King Of World]

thx for the input slutz

[yosemitesam]

Originally Posted by drethe5th

However, by switching DAW's and not learning an app 100% is wasting time and money. So in the end your productivity suffers, and that is the reason we say were switching. Better productivity. That in itself can be taking a step back.

Yeah this is what I was getting at. There's a certain tendency on this website for people to constantly change to the latest greatest thing and never get around to making music. As long as you don't become that guy you're good. Make a decision you're sure about, expect a few unexpected downsides to come along, and stick with the plan.

[ToneCre8]

Originally Posted by yosemitesam

Yeah this is what I was getting at. There's a certain tendency on this website for people to constantly change to the latest greatest thing and never get around to making music. As long as you don't become that guy you're good. Make a decision you're sure about, expect a few unexpected downsides to come along, and stick with the plan.

Qft! Sam said it best!