Difficulty in collaborating with other producers

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so the answer is dont collab, just cos cool n dre or the neptunes collab that does not mean u need to.


or keep ur own stash of beats let the other person do what they want to the beat but u keep a seperate copy 4 urself


very simple i dont get the necesity of the post do u just want someone to pat u on the back and say itsok billy i cant collab either ?

[mrwonderful]

*pats op on back*

It's okay Billy I find it hard too collab with other producers as well

[beyondat]

Originally Posted by jpeg

so the answer is dont collab, just cos cool n dre or the neptunes collab that does not mean u need to.


or keep ur own stash of beats let the other person do what they want to the beat but u keep a seperate copy 4 urself


very simple i dont get the necesity of the post do u just want someone to pat u on the back and say itsok billy i cant collab either ?

I don't NEED to collab but I would like to. I have friends that always ask me to come through and work on a project.
You don't get the need for a post like this yet you read and responded to it. All gucci though.

[beyondat]

Originally Posted by mrwonderful

*pats op on back*

It's okay Billy I find it hard too collab with other producers as well

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Originally Posted by beyondat

I don't NEED to collab but I would like to. I have friends that always ask me to come through and work on a project.
You don't get the need for a post like this yet you read and responded to it. All gucci though.

ok so what u do is find a producer who is shit or worse then u and that looks up to u.


then it wont matter if u always get ur way cos he will agree that ur ideas are better.


alternatively find a producer that is miles ahead of u then u will realise that ur ideas are not the best and u can grow off that

[TYPHY]

i wish i had producer friends

[beyondat]

Originally Posted by jpeg

ok so what u do is find a producer who is shit or worse then u and that looks up to u.


then it wont matter if u always get ur way cos he will agree that ur ideas are better.


alternatively find a producer that is miles ahead of u then u will realise that ur ideas are not the best and u can grow off that

The thing is when you are in a creative mode you can't have the mentality that some other producer is miles ahead of you. When I'm in the process of making a beat or writing, I feel that what I am creating at that moment the hardest shit ever! I may come to my senses the next day or a few ours later but thats why I do music. It's a rush!

[CJ Mastering]

For instance, if I have and idea for a track and I let someone else add their ideas onto it and take it in a different direction, I begin to lose interest in the track.

Um, just work on your own, if you think your ideas are the best. Why waste your time and other peoples time. There are no rules saying you need 2 different producers. Actually 1 producer is the norm and there are reasons for that.

Simple solution is to do it yourself.

Cj

[Ken Lewis]

I'd suggest to you that instead of trying to collab with other producers right now, that maybe you trying bringing in a musician or to to add parts to your beat. The difference is that YOU are still the producer so you can guide the musician to what your ears want to hear. If they play something great you wouldnt have thought of, then score. If you have ideas that you cant execute on your own, maybe you can guide them to what your envisioning. If they play something you dont like, you just re-direct them. You are the producer, its your show. Plus stuff like this will help you branch out beyond being just a beat maker and start giving you a taste of what a real producer does, which is guide a song from beginning to completion.

Who knows, maybe at some point you'll meet another producer you really click with and you'll find production collaboration will work with them. Until then, try working with some musicians or a vocalist.

[mrwonderful]

Originally Posted by beyondat

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I was quoting jpeg

[beyondat]

Originally Posted by Ken Lewis

I'd suggest to you that instead of trying to collab with other producers right now, that maybe you trying bringing in a musician or to to add parts to your beat. The difference is that YOU are still the producer so you can guide the musician to what your ears want to hear. If they play something great you wouldnt have thought of, then score. If you have ideas that you cant execute on your own, maybe you can guide them to what your envisioning. If they play something you dont like, you just re-direct them. You are the producer, its your show. Plus stuff like this will help you branch out beyond being just a beat maker and start giving you a taste of what a real producer does, which is guide a song from beginning to completion.

Who knows, maybe at some point you'll meet another producer you really click with and you'll find production collaboration will work with them. Until then, try working with some musicians or a vocalist.

Thanks for the advice Ken but I have been producing for quit a while. I've just always found it difficult to collab with another producer. When I am running the show there is no problem. It's not a necessity for me to work with other producers, I just thought it might be fun since everyone always say" yo lets work on some music", but when I get in the studio its hard for me to produce with another producer. We always clash as far as ideas.

[Dayl]

Maybe you just need to learn to swallow your pride and get your ego in check for the potential 'greater good'

[TYPHY]

Originally Posted by Dayl

Maybe you just need to learn to swallow your pride and get your ego in check for the potential 'greater good'

Swallow his pride and ego?

Why?

He always has the better ideas. He's beyond dat.

[lpedrum]

[I'm a humble dude but I tend to think that my ideas are the best. [/QUOTE]

That's the problem right there, and I say that in all humility. Where would Duke Ellington be (or any great producer or bandleader) if they thought that only they had good ideas? Be open to the best idea from wherever it may come from. If your not excited by others ideas then maybe your not teaming up with very talented folks.

[Dayl]

Originally Posted by TYPHY

Swallow his pride and ego?

Why?

He always has the better ideas. He's beyond dat.

It doesn't sound that way, going by the syntax provided. Have you worked with him?

It's not to say he's an asshole, we all should take a step back sometimes. Work to each others strengths, there must be something there.

Seriously.... why would you collaborate with someone if the other party wasn't better than you in some way? there are a few reasons I can think of but are all secondary to making good music.

[beyondat]

Originally Posted by Dayl

It doesn't sound that way, going by the syntax provided. Have you worked with him?

It's not to say he's an asshole, we all should take a step back sometimes. Work to each others strengths, there must be something there.

Seriously.... why would you collaborate with someone if the other party wasn't better than you in some way? there are a few reasons I can think of but are all secondary to making good music.

It doesnt have anything to do with being better than me. If i like his/her music and they like mine then lets work!

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[beyondat]

Originally Posted by lpedrum

[I'm a humble dude but I tend to think that my ideas are the best.

That's the problem right there, and I say that in all humility. Where would Duke Ellington be (or any great producer or bandleader) if they thought that only they had good ideas? Be open to the best idea from wherever it may come from. If your not excited by others ideas then maybe your not teaming up with very talented folks.[/QUOTE]

Im very open to others ideas, if i like them! but if i dont like them and i end up having to concede i tend to checkout creatively. The beat may still end up being dope but its not a collaboration. I guess its like being in a group, someone has to concede.

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[Dayl]

Originally Posted by beyondat

It doesnt have anything to do with being better than me. If i like his/her music and they like mine then lets work!

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Not just better and I didn't mean that in a governing sense more like.. they can whip your ass on keys for example, or their drum design is killer, you know?

There needs to be something gained by each party in collaborating, something added and hopefully something taken/learned.

The idea of 'hey, I like you, you like me, we would make a great couple' isn't always the best approach.

[Thunderdan]

I never have a problem with someone else ideas or if the track turns out different than what I hear in my head....Where I get into trouble is efficiency, my flow is quick it doesnt take very long to play all the parts, the time consuming part is the balance and fx. I have a buddy that like to work with me but every time he comes by he has some new toy that takes and hour to hook up and another 30 minutes to get running right and by the time he's ready to pick a snare I'm thinking "this could be half way done by now"...

[PettyCash]

Originally Posted by beyondat

Thanks for the advice Ken but I have been producing for quit a while. I've just always found it difficult to collab with another producer. When I am running the show there is no problem. It's not a necessity for me to work with other producers, I just thought it might be fun since everyone always say" yo lets work on some music", but when I get in the studio its hard for me to produce with another producer. We always clash as far as ideas.

Perhaps you should stick to working with others who are more on the same creative playing field as you.

Anytime I collaborated with someone who was as humble, creative, experienced, and skilled as myself, things went smoothly and everyone ended up with a product that they were proud of. When I collaborated with people who were as humble and creative, but less experienced and skilled, I had to spend too much time cleaning up after them; tightening up or completely altering their ideas... not because the ideas weren't good enough or didn't work, but because I had a vision in mind for how those ideas could be made better.

The problem? Well overall that makes me feel like I'm basically handling the bulk of the production duties by myself. The other producer can also start to feel overly protective of their ideas if you try to alter them too much. This creates a lot of tension, and sometimes leads to unfinished projects.

You have to work with producers/songwriters that you can create a balance with; a collaboration where everyone has a specific role they are contributing to. Each person also has to fill that role well enough that what they do satisfies not only their vision, but your vision for the song as well. Forget about working with just anybody that comes to you and says, "YO! lets work on some beats". All of that being said, on average, most collaborations done between two producers don't work out. It's like trying to win a three-legged race. If both people aren't totally in-sync, you will be all over the place going no where.

[KevWest]

Originally Posted by Dayl

Maybe you just need to learn to swallow your pride and get your ego in check for the potential 'greater good'

This is my view on it. I think collabing with another producer even if they aren't playing notes and beats can be great. Hell I hate mixtapes wouldn't be nearly as dope as everyone says it is if Killah Traks didn't have an amazing ear. Collabing with another producer and being unbiased towards your own ideas requires a lot of maturity as a producer but it also helps you grow quickly.


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[aproblem]

When I do stuff with other producers or beatmakers it helps to have a vision of what we want to do before we start. Being honest is important too, if ur not feeling what they're doing then tell them..dont just go along with it cuz u think they'll catch feelings.

[Tha Govna]

It's all about the vibes and a like mind.

I've tried collaborating before, and it very often didn't work out.

The few times it did, it was with people with a like mind and that I could vibe with.

All of the collaboration attempts have been in person.

When it didn't work, it was almost always the vibe at the end of the day.

If they don't have a like mind, they'll do stuff you maybe don't like, obviously.

This is where the vibe comes in.

How do they take it when you actually say you don't like what they're doing?

Will they say cool and try something else, ask question about what they could do differently, or get offended.

For me, it was the latter in most cases.

I liken it to musicians who form a band, but don't really like each other for some reason or another.

It could work, sure, but odds are they won't vibe long enough to actually create something cool and unforced.

[Ezionjd]

The day you learn to give & take in a creative enviroment, is the day you grow tremendously as an artist.
This being said, it very much also has to do with the right person.
It might take a while, and you will pass through a million people, but someone will eventually come along who will inspire you and vice versa.
I find that i (most of the time) get along really well with people that don`t do the same genre music as myself, because when musical worlds meet then magic happens.
Keep searching, if you wanna grow.

[3rd Degree]

I have collaborated with other beat makers over the years but it's not my norm. It's about using each others strengths to both of your advantages.

I may just play a bunch of keyboard loops and let someone who is really dope with arrangement just take what I did and arrange it into a song, having them add drums and bass, if they are really talented at that. Sometimes I work with someone who loves samples but likes modern drums. I do the sample arrangement, they do the drums. I often help people do basslines, usually teaching but they often like to keep mine, cool with me.

It's rare where I work with someone I can really just go back and forth with, and those people are usually on the net. One person starts, the other adds, sends back, another adds. These can get messy or they can be dope. I put in 100% and hope it works, if not, cool, atleast I usually learn something.

It's all about knowing your strengths and working with someone who knows there own strengths. You both may be good at the same thing and that's where you just talk it over and decide who does what, or meet in the middle.

For me, I don't like to make it a long process and if it doesn't work, so what. I have done some really nice collabs, a bunch of sub par collabs, and a bunch I didn't like at all. Again, at least I learned. If you aren't working with a team on a regular, or don't plan to, just see where it goes. If you mesh well do more, if not move on.

[d1rdyd]

Originally Posted by beyondat

For some reason I find it very difficult to collab with other producers. For instance, if I have and idea for a track and I let someone else add their ideas onto it and take it in a different direction, I begin to lose interest in the track. I'm a humble dude but I tend to think that my ideas are the best. Before i create a beat i usually have a vision for how i want it to sound. Am I the only one who has trouble sharing the production?

U have any up tempo tracks? that 1 track in your signature is too "dry" imo