5th October 2012
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#1 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 155
Thread Starter | I need help from engineers who are also good at statisics
Okay I am trying to gather a lot information before I move on from my current DAW. So, my question is what statistically crashes more drunk and impaired drivers or cakewalk sonar? Really, does anything else crash as much as that program? I'm moving totally to protools or cubase after this album is complete. BTW, please enlighten me how sonars own plugin's crash sonar upon opening. No other plugins crash except sonars delay plugin. Oh, and I would love to thank sonar developers for making me work harder by crashing every 5 minutes during complex mixing making me start all the over. Did I mention that the program takes 10 minutes to bootup?
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5th October 2012
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#2 | | Gear addict
Joined: Feb 2010 Location: Montreal, Canada
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#3 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 155
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I actually have reaper. Never really gave it a shot. It's installed I always thought it was more of a toy DAW but thats because you don't hear about it enough
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#4 | | Moderator
Joined: Jun 2006 Location: Sydney via London
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Originally Posted by teamalkos  I actually have reaper. Never really gave it a shot. It's installed I always thought it was more of a toy DAW but thats because you don't hear about it enough | Except for on gearslutz.
If sonar takes 10mins to boot, your computer has issues that most likely, another daw will also suffer from.
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5th October 2012
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#5 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Sep 2012
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Thread Starter | Quote:
Originally Posted by psycho_monkey Except for on gearslutz.
If sonar takes 10mins to boot, your computer has issues that most likely, another daw will also suffer from. | not my pc everything runs smooth. even big cpu hog vsts that I load have no glitches hiccups. its just sonar. FL is fine and so is every other vst its just crashing constantly
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#6 | | 3 + infractions, forum membership suspended.
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A lot of DAW's crash, but they are crash differently.
Like Pro tools, for example, likes to give you a big eeeeeeeee buzzzzzzzzzz... hang... then crash. Or sometimes it'll just freeze and do the same and you'll have to restart your computer. Usually when Pro Tools crashes it wont let you simply re-open the application but you'll have to restart your computer.
Ableton (which is not your typical DAW) will crash instantaneously, with seldom a hiccup. I like, however, that is saves what you were doing before the crash and upon restarting the program it will ask you if you want to start where you left off. At least it recognizes it "f#cked up" and offers some help. Pro tools offers you a nice foot in the a$$.
So what you can gather is that all programs will crash, but you have in a choice in selecting how a program crashes by selecting your preferred DAW.
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#7 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 155
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sonar does auto save which is nice i guess but i hate when i have my vibe going and blam crash....i mean i am literally 10 more crashes from going to a hardware recorder and saying the hell with daw's and plug ins.
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5th October 2012
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#8 | | Gear nut
Joined: May 2010 Location: Chicago
Posts: 125
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Originally Posted by teamalkos I actually have reaper. Never really gave it a shot. It's installed I always thought it was more of a toy DAW but thats because you don't hear about it enough | Trust me...if you mix, give it a shot. Watch some tutorials online and you'll be glad you switched once you actually use it.
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#9 | | Moderator
Joined: Jun 2006 Location: Sydney via London
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Originally Posted by teamalkos not my pc everything runs smooth. even big cpu hog vsts that I load have no glitches hiccups. its just sonar. FL is fine and so is every other vst its just crashing constantly | Well there's something else wrong then, maybe that's only affecting sonar. Maybe sonar just needs re-installing.
It's not that Sonar ALWAYS takes 10mins to boot. Plenty of people don't have an issue with it. Quote:
Originally Posted by Azamat Bagatov So what you can gather is that all programs will crash, but you have in a choice in selecting how a program crashes by selecting your preferred DAW. | Hmm, I don't really agree. I rarely get crashes with software - I mean, I CAN crash pro tools if I try, but that's one known bug that I can avoid. Otherwise...it doesn't crash for me. I wouldn't put up with a program that crashed regularly! And I don't think PT is that unique here.
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#10 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Mar 2012 Location: Yay Area
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never had a problem with cubase
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#11 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Sep 2012
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let me say it doesnt crash all time and doesnt take 10 minutes to boot everytime its just more often then not
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#12 | | Gear addict
Joined: Feb 2010 Location: Montreal, Canada
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Originally Posted by teamalkos I actually have reaper. Never really gave it a shot. It's installed I always thought it was more of a toy DAW but thats because you don't hear about it enough | Dont let the lack of marketing and promo fool you... Trust me you will never go back once u get the hang of it.
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Originally Posted by ToneCre8 Music should always value the sound over the convenience. This trend of convenience and workflow over sound and quality is degenerating. It's a subjective argument but If you find that one sounds better than the other, that's the one you should be using. | | |
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#13 | | Gear addict
Joined: May 2007 Location: Fort Worth, TX bitches.
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If you were thinking about getting pro tools then do it.
My rig hasn't crashed in a while, and it is only Native Instrumens crappy plugins that crash PT on my rig. Also helps if you devote your machine to production, keep it off the Internet, and don't let auto-updates of your OS run. Always wait until the DAW software manufacturer qualifies the latest OS revision.
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"You can polish a turd all you want but at the end of the day you still have a piece of shit in your hands."
i'm not showing you my allmusic page.
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#14 | | Lives for gear
Joined: May 2010 Location: South Florida
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I've been using Sonar for over 8 years and i have X2, the latest version, and it has never crashed. I use X2 about 6 to 10 hours a day and ive had it the day it went on sale for all the people who pre-ordered it.
I have over 200 hours with the new X2 and not one crash and it opens in seconds.
Its your computer. Stop blaming others.
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#15 | | Gear interested
Joined: Sep 2008
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Originally Posted by CJ Mastering
Its your computer. Stop blaming others.
| Agreed - and just because other programs work fine doesn't mean it's not your computer either. Could be the interaction between your soundcard, rest of the computer, and Sonar. Could be that some other program running in the background that has nothing to do with Sonar or even audio is causing the problem. It might happen with your new DAW too, and it might not.
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6th October 2012
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#16 | | Moderator
Joined: Jun 2006 Location: Sydney via London
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Originally Posted by parkay909 If you were thinking about getting pro tools then do it.
My rig hasn't crashed in a while, and it is only Native Instrumens crappy plugins that crash PT on my rig. Also helps if you devote your machine to production, keep it off the Internet, and don't let auto-updates of your OS run. Always wait until the DAW software manufacturer qualifies the latest OS revision. | NI fine over here (Mac though), and I also have my rig online (no problem with that anymore). Good advice on the auto-update and waiting on qualifications though.
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#17 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Oct 2010 Location: UK
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Originally Posted by psycho_monkey NI fine over here (Mac though), and I also have my rig online (no problem with that anymore). Good advice on the auto-update and waiting on qualifications though. | Che un carico di fondo pecore, mi rispettano ho autorità sulle notti di ni. Io non sono infantile Na, na, banana.
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6th October 2012
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#18 | | Gear interested
Joined: Aug 2012 Location: London, Islington.
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Been considering getting into reaper for awhile, i've actually heard good thing's about it, only got it installed as a trial at the moment but tempted to buy it incase I ever do work with it in the future. Generally I use Reason 6.5 for all my sound design and recording needs, sometimes mixing from it, but generally doing my final mixes on pro tools, occasionally working with logic. But i've seen reaper comes with a wide variety of plug ins which i've heard good things about, pro tools i've found to be the most comfortable mixing environment at the moment.. only program i've ever had crashes with is ableton.
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#19 | | Moderator
Joined: Jun 2006 Location: Sydney via London
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Originally Posted by ShadowAMD Che un carico di fondo pecore, mi rispettano ho autorità sulle notti di ni. Io non sono infantile Na, na, banana. | I suspect Googletranslate turned that into even more nonsense than the original Monty Python it started out with...I also suspect you used Translate to get the Italian in the first place!!
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6th October 2012
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#20 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Oct 2010 Location: UK
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You cant prove a thing lol.. I actually am italian though. I moved over when I was 5 and can only count to ten.
It actually was a take on monty python.. The french bit..
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6th October 2012
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#21 | | Gear addict
Joined: Oct 2012
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Originally Posted by Skamm Goodiez | Dude, don't give away peoples secret weapons. not cool.  | |
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7th October 2012
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#22 | | Gear addict
Joined: Feb 2010 Location: Montreal, Canada
Posts: 365
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Originally Posted by AudioRadar Dude, don't give away peoples secret weapons. not cool. | the real weapon is YOU not what u use.
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7th October 2012
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#23 | | Gear maniac
Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 155
Thread Starter | Quote:
Originally Posted by CJ Mastering I've been using Sonar for over 8 years and i have X2, the latest version, and it has never crashed. I use X2 about 6 to 10 hours a day and ive had it the day it went on sale for all the people who pre-ordered it.
I have over 200 hours with the new X2 and not one crash and it opens in seconds.
Its your computer. Stop blaming others. | its not my computer, I ran tests. I even installed it on my laptop same thing. I don't have emachines or some cheap dell computer.
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#24 | | Lives for gear
Joined: Dec 2004 Location: Planet Earth
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If moving from Sonar I would suggest that you try Studio One, over Reaper. However your experience with Sonar doesn't seem to be typical. Do you have the latest update installed?
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7th October 2012
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#25 | | Gear addict
Joined: Oct 2012
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Originally Posted by Skamm Goodiez the real weapon is YOU not what u use. | Reaper said he disagrees.
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