29th September 2012
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#1 | | 3 + infractions, forum membership suspended.
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Thread Starter | Maschine Roll with Reason and MPD 24
I'm trying to figure out how to make my MPD trigger notes in Reason like the Maschine does where you have a button that's 1/8, 1/16, 1/16 T, so on and so forth.
Basically I want to assign my Pads on the MPD so that when I hit Pad 1, it will trigger a hi hat at 1/8, then pad 2 will triger 1/16... and I want to be able to quickly switch between different note resolutions so I can do trap-style snare/hihat/kick rolls.
I know you can do that with a knob and there is an MPC emulator in Reason but I don't want to use a knob because it's not precise enough. I'd like to use solely the pads to do this effect.
So far I tried using the redrum to trigger Kong and did a midi learn so that each pad on the MPD triggered a different pattern in the Redrum and each pattern in the redrum is set to speeds from 1/8 to 1/64. Unfortunately, this doesn't work well at all. There is lag from when I hit a pad and when it starts playing the note at that pattern.
Any reason drum programming experts can chime?
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30th September 2012
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Just create a kong or redrum and then right click on drum machine and create a rpg-8. then select your timing and hit a pad on the mpd to record the note repeat. After you record the note repeat right click on the rpg-8 and select "arpeggio notes to track" to seperate the note repeat into individual hits, instead of having one long ass midi note. Thats it, and if you trying to use the note repeat off the mpd, I don't believe it is possible because reason doesn't send midi clock last time I checked. Also the timing will be tighter using the rpg-8 as opposed to the mpd cause it always tend to lag. It will sound on time once you record it, but playing the note repeat on the mpd live is always off like crazy.
My fault ain't read question all way through, but if you want to do trap style hihats then set a higher resolution on rpg-8 and input a long midi note for the entire length of the loop and use the pattern sequencer on the rpg-8 to input your notes. You can get that flstudio style midi note chop effect like this. Might not be what you want exactly but can be a work around.
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You would think a feature like that would be implemented in reason by now. All that flexibility and you still can't get it to do something so simple. Shit don't make any sense. Thats why I went with live instead. workflow is second to none. Goodluck!
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Okay! Try greating multiple instances of kong or redrum then create rpg-8 for each and combine in combinator. Then go to show programmer and select arp from the device colum on right and select "single note repeat" for button 1 then select the next arp device and assign to button 2 and so on. Then set each rpg-8 to a different value. Now all you got to do is edit override mapping for each button to a button on your mpd. Then hit pad and button at same time and you will hear the note repeat value for each one. Also the note repeat is momentarily so you can go trigger the note repeat without sequencer runnig. Also if you want put drum hit on different pads so you dont get double notes when hitting pad, then you gotta hit the pad and then the button at same time, which is kind of annoying.
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Shit is wack as shit, don't even waste your time you can't even split the note after you record the note repeat. All you really doing recording is the automation.  | |
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30th September 2012
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My bad, just saw your posts, thanks for helping me. So can you do it in Live? I just got into live and don't really know the tricks yet.
Yeah, that's real weak that you can't do rolls in Reason. I guess all programs have their limitations.
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Originally Posted by CharlesEdward  You would think a feature like that would be implemented in reason by now. All that flexibility and you still can't get it to do something so simple. Shit don't make any sense. Thats why I went with live instead. workflow is second to none. Goodluck! | Professionally, you get the best functionality out of Reason when using it Rewired to a full DAW host or external sequencer like a MPC.
In order to get the MPD working well enough with Reason for note repeat purposes, you have to jump through some hoops to get the MPD transport synced up with Reason's. Keeping old MPC hardware around does have its advantages  | |
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Originally Posted by Azamat Bagatov My bad, just saw your posts, thanks for helping me. So can you do it in Live? I just got into live and don't really know the tricks yet.
Yeah, that's real weak that you can't do rolls in Reason. I guess all programs have their limitations. | You can use the MPD's note repeat with almost any program that offers midi clock output, which is needed for the MPD to keep in sync. I say almost because some programs were acting finicky when I tried to sync them to the MPD. That was way back when they first released them though, and I got one to test out for a while, so those issues are probably fixed already.
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30th September 2012
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Originally Posted by PettyCash You can use the MPD's note repeat with almost any program that offers midi clock output, which is needed for the MPD to keep in sync. I say almost because some programs were acting finicky when I tried to sync them to the MPD. That was way back when they first released them though, and I got one to test out for a while, so those issues are probably fixed already. | Some MPD 24s dont have note repeat.
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Originally Posted by kaydigi Some MPD 24s dont have note repeat. | Yea I was too quick to answer, and overlooked what the title of the thread was saying. I was referring to the MPD 32, not the 24.
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Originally Posted by Azamat Bagatov My bad, just saw your posts, thanks for helping me. So can you do it in Live? I just got into live and don't really know the tricks yet.
Yeah, that's real weak that you can't do rolls in Reason. I guess all programs have their limitations. | In live all you gotta do is set the mpd(in my case mpd-18) to receive midi clock from ableton and you set. You can then record note repeats into the sequencer, but like I said it isn't perfect timing while recording, but will sound in time on playback. And as far as doing note repeats in the software itself I think the closest thing you got is the beat repeat, but thats not really for recording on the fly. Its more of a stutter effect, but is pretty dope once you learn how to use properly. I personally have gotten use to programming my drums in the piano roll, so don't really have any use for note repeat now of days. Also imo its better to play in your triplets and basic snare rolls and what not.
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30th September 2012
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#12 | | 3 + infractions, forum membership suspended.
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Word, I also have an Mpd18 so I'm gonna try what you're doing. Thanks again can't wait to get more familiar with ableton.
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30th September 2012
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Originally Posted by mrwonderful | That's a good video
I kind of did that already with what I was saying but I didn't go so far as to copy pattern to track because I wanted to do it live while the beat is playing. I don't think that's possible. Either way, useful tip.
BTW don't have to buy Ableton, I already have it.
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Originally Posted by mrwonderful |
Good video, like the workflow for that one. | |
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