Is this not the place to post anymore? (deleted posts)

[suchenderxxx]

I hope this was an accident, cause i know your posts and they are all very informativ.

[Logical Mind]

Read this. Tony put it up a few days ago

PLEASE READ ---->>> In Regards to Maschine and MPC Renn Threads and YouTube Threads

[Dayl]

Yup ^^^ just that. Things were getting out of hand. Electronic forum will look after you in with that sort of query in the meantime though.

[The Aristocrat]

Yeah because of the overwhelming abundance of maschine/MPC threads there has been a 7 day respite of all such threads for a chance to let things cool down. Had it not been for that they would have been all over the place.

[KevWest]

Did it really get that bad about those threads? I thought it was silly to ban talks about certain pieces of gear. He wouldn't ban SSL discussions if Neve users were having the same debates. Though if a Pro Tools vs FL debate started similarly I think he would have banned Pro Tools discussions.

[The Aristocrat]

Originally Posted by KevWest

Did it really get that bad about those threads? I thought it was silly to ban talks about certain pieces of gear. He wouldn't ban SSL discussions if Neve users were having the same debates. Though if a Pro Tools vs FL debate started similarly I think he would have banned Pro Tools discussions.

The problem the topic. It was: a)the people in the discussions b) the overwhelming amount of threads about the topics with neither of them being overly productive to anyone. The thread would start on course then a few posts later it would turn into whomever can insult whom the best, not to mention there are certain individuals that have a vested interest in the equipment and as such the threads did more bad than good.

You are right about one thing though, he wouldn't ban the Neve users. Simply because the discussions pertaining to are productive, civilized and few and far between in comparison.

[jrides]

Originally Posted by KevWest

Did it really get that bad about those threads? I thought it was silly to ban talks about certain pieces of gear. He wouldn't ban SSL discussions if Neve users were having the same debates. Though if a Pro Tools vs FL debate started similarly I think he would have banned Pro Tools discussions.

It was the best move in this forums history. I wish it was for 30 days. Don't think people have calmed down yet. Strange to see that you didn't notice all the crazy activity.

[bigbongo]

Please keep on posting illynoise, posts from professionals on this forum are very valuable.

[KevWest]

Originally Posted by jrides

It was the best move in this forums history. I wish it was for 30 days. Don't think people have calmed down yet. Strange to see that you didn't notice all the crazy activity.

I saw a couple threads but nothing too over the top. Anytime there is a new product we see a ton of threads on it if its popular. Hell I remember right before Reason 5 dropped and we had just as many threads about it and debates about Reason vs Vsts. I've seen Pro Tools vs the world quite a few times too. Not so much in this section of the forum but it happens I just think there was a better way of handling it since this site is about gear. It would be different if we were talking about how to pirate Pro Tools 10 or something. Also disliked the video clip thing. Not so much even for my videos I don't see much traffic from posts on GS but because imo the best way to show off a new topic is to post it in action. Thought it could have been handled better.

Originally Posted by The Aristocrat

The problem the topic. It was: a)the people in the discussions b) the overwhelming amount of threads about the topics with neither of them being overly productive to anyone. The thread would start on course then a few posts later it would turn into whomever can insult whom the best, not to mention there are certain individuals that have a vested interest in the equipment and as such the threads did more bad than good.

You are right about one thing though, he wouldn't ban the Neve users. Simply because the discussions pertaining to are productive, civilized and few and far between in comparison.

I was saying if we had the same discussions/arguments and it was Neve vs SSL and not Machine vs Mpc with the same activity that would not have happened. I think he should have just infractioned the offenders personally. A simple slap on the wrist asking them to knock it off. It works.

[Dayl]

Originally Posted by bigbongo

Please keep on posting illynoise, posts from professionals on this forum are very valuable.

This, first and foremost.

Secondly, there I counted 9 threads, and I know there were a couple more. All of them consisted of the same immature dick measuring many people have come to despise. In addition, 7-8 of those threads didn't need to be started as they could have gone into the original thread, considering the subject matter and the gravity of the questions.

[thatonedude]

I think the banning of anything pertaining to Maschine is silly. I was hoping to hear about what peoples thoughts and experiences have been with the new Maschine 1.8 update. I mean really, if a thread is offensive I agree with the dude who said to deal with the folks who are making it offensive, or better yet simply move on to the next thread and don't read it. To arbitrarily not allow people to discuss specific gear on gearslutz of all places is idiotic.

[Kaotik Evolution]

I'm someone that enjoyed reading the comments many posters here made regarding Maschine and the MPC Renaissance. I currently make beats on an iPhone and an iPad, and I'm researching which of the 2 would be a better choice for me to "upgrade" to. There were a lot of immature comments, sure, but many posters were very informative. They were helpful in my personal decision. I'm highly disappointed in the decision the moderator has made in regards to these 2 hot products. The mod should reconsider his decision. Target the few that spoil the threads

[PettyCash]

Originally Posted by thatonedude

I think the banning of anything pertaining to Maschine is silly. I was hoping to hear about what peoples thoughts and experiences have been with the new Maschine 1.8 update. I mean really, if a thread is offensive I agree with the dude who said to deal with the folks who are making it offensive, or better yet simply move on to the next thread and don't read it. To arbitrarily not allow people to discuss specific gear on gearslutz of all places is idiotic.

I agree to a certain extent. Banning talks about a product in its entirety, or lopping every discussion about a product into one master thread, regardless of the specific subject matter being discussed, is only punishing those who come here for serious discussion. The trolling members here will find other ways to annoy people and keep the moderators busy regardless of this new decision.

Dealing with them on a case by case matter can get quite annoying though, thus I can see where Tony is coming from with the decision that has been made regarding Maschine and MPC ren discussions. The hype over discussing these products needs to cool down before the trolls will get bored and move on to something else, after which serious people can continue to talk about these products in a legitimate matter. As funny as Jahrome vs. The Entire Forum type of arguments can be, things like that and other disruptive behaviour have no place here. I haven't even bothered coming here to talk about either of those products yet as a result of all the nonsense.

I'm sure once things settle down, Tony will revisit the matter and make the appropriate decision. Think about it from everyone else's point of view. I can even see this thread getting out of hand. This topic is way too touchy for a lot of people at the moment, which is why there is a 7 day general cool down in place. Respect that decision at least.

[mat1]

Seems like some people would rather the forum was dead. How many times can we revisit the same topics? As soon as something new comes along that causes a stir it gets locked down. Makes no sense.

[fooloof]

Has it occurred to anyone that it's not what is being talked about, but who is talking about it?

if it's not Mashine vs Ren, it will be something else.

[TitaniumG]

I liked the REN and Machine discussion it was informative and funny at the same time. This place is starting to be like a industrial radio station to much rules and no FLAVA. I just got my REN to day so off i go to bang out some beats.

[bigbongo]

Maybe what the moderators need to get rid of the kids is a warning 'stamp/mark' that everyone can see on a post within a thread and if a member gets 3 then they're banned for a month, etc. A public slap on the wrist might work.

There're plenty of grown ups on GS who want to discuss stuff without reading the inane 'mine is better than yours' playground level exchanges.

[PettyCash]

Originally Posted by bigbongo

Maybe what the moderators need to get rid of the kids is a warning 'stamp/mark' that everyone can see on a post within a thread and if a member gets 3 then they're banned for a month, etc. A public slap on the wrist might work.

There're plenty of grown ups on GS who want to discuss stuff without reading the inane 'mine is better than yours' playground level exchanges.

It's not the job of each moderator to train people in how they should behave when participating on a public forum. What you are suggesting may work for people who care about their reputation online, but not for some random anonymous trouble maker who can easily go and create a new online identity. Most of the grown folks here at GS barely come to the Hip Hop section anymore. This forum now seems to be full of young 20 year olds that have nothing better to do with their lives than sit around a computer all day doing nothing constructive. Thanks to them, legitimate members can't even post links to their videos now.

[Dayl]

One thing that I've noticed in my short time here is that when the grown folks post the goodness, it is well received, appreciated and respected pretty much always.

No point posting when there is close to a dozen samey threads that certain individuals take upon themselves to see continuously boosted to the top.

About software controllers no less.

[Below Zero]

Why even ban?

All this is a waste of time imo

If you dont like a post, dont click on it

If you dont like how someone responds to you, skip over the reply and continue the convo

[jrides]

If I was punishing a child... You got something to say? Add another week. What's that? Another week for you cheif. There are 50 more weeks left, I can keep doing this all day. Suddenly there is silence. LOL.

I wish Tony would add a week everytime someone whines about the extremely soft, more than fair, and necessary rules he instituted. It would be funny to watch people dig themselves in deeper and deeper.

[Zachariah]

I dont think it's the topic that isn't well received...it's the bullshit in the threads that really turns people off. Me personally, I don't even visit this site unless there are some good threads going or if I'm really bored. Seeing all these mpc ren and maschine threads is a huge turn off.

Granted there are a 1,000,007 threads about compression and which plug in to buy next which is somewhat hypocritical to the new rule (and I personally wish they would go away too), but they are more informative than whether or not mpc or maschine is the next best thing. There is more disrespectful responses and BS in those threads than any other threads.

As far as posting vids, IDK...i think posting vids can be useful. But using this site to plug your own site (as your main source of visitors) is against the site rules. This is a forum for open discussion, not plugging your vids to get more responses. If that's the case, go through and PM everybody (you'll get banned if you do)

Yea you have every right to complain and speak your mind. Bottom line YOU CAN'T CHANGE A DAMN THING! Asking a moderator to bend to your will is like asking a librarian if you can have a jam session during their peak hours. It's like asking Obama "You think you can drop my taxes for this fiscal year?" Follow the rules...just like everything else in life....

QUIT BITCHING!

[Stackx]

It was probably more about the number of new threads made with the same people. This whole last month has either been maschine, mpc, or how to mix vocals to a mp3. Constantly! Like 4 times a week the same topic. New kids making new threads without reading the rules first. While idk if banning was necessary, but I would rather see it dead in here then over populated about the same old b.s.

[TonyBelmont]

Originally Posted by illynoise

Sorry to post here but I couldn't use the private messaging function for some reason. I'm a professional in Rap Music Production for 20+ years, I posted a legitimate question, I've been on this messaging board since 2004, why is my post deleted?

Is this not a place for discussion about Logic and Maschine? Granted, I made a flame post about conant gardens and you locked it....fair enough. But the fact that there are a lot of producers that use Maschine and Logic, I feel I was making a valid question.

Please respond to this, I just want to know is Gearslutz not a welcome place for me anymore..?

BTW I appreciate your service to the board for so many years. I just really thought that was unnecessary.

Thanks,

Jason

Read the sticky at the top regarding these threads and all will be explained... It's not about "you".