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Old 24th September 2012   #1
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I just made a beat that has a short tail 808.
At the same time, there's an electric bass VST playing a bass line.

I'm trying to mix them together without them clashing.. but my monitoring isn't ideal.
My room is not treated whatsoever.
I high passed the e-bass at around 150hz.
I was hoping if you guys can take a listen and let me know if these two elements are working together.
If they are clashing, I can't hear it, I need to be told that they are so I can try to fix it.
They both start playing together at 0:44.
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High pass e bass at 60hz
Low pass 808 @ 60.
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get some headphones.
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I just borrowed a pair of ATH M50s from a neighbor.
I don't hear any clashing so I think I may be good?
However, I noticed that my use of reverb on a few things are way out of hand.
Holy shit, I can barely tell the verb was on when I was mixing on my Yamaha HS80s.
I guess this is what an untreated room does.
I need to get a pair of headphones ASAP.
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yeah—the sound of your room's own reverberations will mask reverb used in your mix.

but untreated rooms do a lot more than that. it's worth doing a quick measurement of your room just to see how crazy it is—there's free software out there called REW, and you need either a cheap reference mic (behringer makes one) or a radio shack SPL meter to take measurements. but in an average sized untreated bedroom type setup your monitors frequency response will be skewed with giant dips and peaks (especially in the bass range) of 30 decibels or more, both ways. in my room i have a 30+ decibel peak at 60hz, and right above 60hz it dips below -30 db in the frequency response. so basically its common to have over 60 decibels of variance in your speakers frequency response from an untreated room. and if you think about that, it's pretty crazy since when mixing we make a big deal out of altering the EQ of things by a 2 or 3 decibels. but if your room is ****ing your freq. response by 60 or more decibels, you're obviously not going to make accurate decisions about EQing (or anything).
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lmaooo @ 60 dbs.

**** our lives.

Yeah, sometimes I can't tell if my bass is too over-powering or not.
From where I sit, I can barely hear the bass at all, but if I stand up and walk 3 feet back, it's boomy as shit.
It's more boomy than professional songs with 808s, BUT their bottom end is heard from where I mix.
It's weird, I can't figure out wtf is wrong with my bottom end.
I'm thinking maybe their 808s have higher harmonics than mine, but they don't actually have that much more.
I'm referencing the low end from "We'll Be Fine" by Drake in today's session.
I'm guessing this is where one of those giant dips are.
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I have the same issue. Both with the Lo End and the reverb (I'm HS80's as well if you remember). Fortunately for me I have a set of cans though.

I've found that monitor placement is huge with an 8" woofer and a small room. Just changing a few degrees of angling, or a few inches of separation between the speakers can change a LOT.

Good luck with your mix.
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in my room i have a 30+ decibel peak at 60hz, and right above 60hz it dips below -30 db in the frequency response. so basically its common to have over 60 decibels of variance in your speakers frequency response from an untreated room.
wow...don't think that's 'common'
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lmaooo @ 60 dbs.

**** our lives.

Yeah, sometimes I can't tell if my bass is too over-powering or not.
From where I sit, I can barely hear the bass at all, but if I stand up and walk 3 feet back, it's boomy as shit.
It's more boomy than professional songs with 808s, BUT their bottom end is heard from where I mix.
It's weird, I can't figure out wtf is wrong with my bottom end.
I'm thinking maybe their 808s have higher harmonics than mine, but they don't actually have that much more.
I'm referencing the low end from "We'll Be Fine" by Drake in today's session.
I'm guessing this is where one of those giant dips are.
Run a spectrum analyzer on your mix and your reference mix. Try to see where their low end energy is, and where yours is. That might tell you something, since you can hear the bass better in your reference tracks.
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Notch, shelf, highpass, pitch up an octave, change the arrangement of one or the other so they aren't playing at the same time, duck, sidechain, etc.

It's probably one or a combo of a couple of those...
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Also, personally I don't see a reason for the electric bass playing at the same time as an 808.
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