Is it illegal to remove copyright samples?

[Noidea.]

Originally Posted by Bender412

This entire thread had me so confused, until now. You're analogy between removing tags from a beat, and having sex with a stranger has opened my eyes. It all makes sense now! Thanks!

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+1. Lmao

[parkay909]

You can be party to a lawsuit if you engage in the act of copyright infringement.

I've heard horror stories about the assistant engineer and studio owners being dragged into copyright infringement cases involving samples.

CYA

[parkay909]

Originally Posted by joe_04_04

Im not happy with my past actions, or else I would've never posted on gs to begin with. And these mixtapes never did sell cause the artist chose not to sell them, in fact, 99 percent of the people I work with pay me track and mix the songs just to post it online for free. This isnt nashville, NY, or LA, This is Plymouth Indiana. No one stands on the corner trying to pawn off mixtapes to every passerby. You're lucky to seen ONE person on the streets of this town.

You don't have to sell anything for it to be copyright infringement.

[joe_04_04]

Originally Posted by parkay909

You don't have to sell anything for it to be copyright infringement.

I understand..and I totally get the morality of it.. but how does it differ from using samples in song from 1960 soul artists in terms of legality?

[parkay909]

Originally Posted by joe_04_04

I understand..and I totally get the morality of it.. but how does it differ from using samples in song from 1960 soul artists in terms of legality?

It doesn't really. Both are theft of intellectual property.

[eastsidetone]

Chances are that if it feels wrong; then it is wrong

plain and simple.

I know that you "moved on", but from psychologically speaking I feel that you are still trying justify your past actions. My advice is to learn from the past, and really move on.

Also I want you to consider this.

A client who is not willing to pay $10 for a beat is not likely to respect you.
Think about it that's $10 for a beat that could of taken hours of work.

It's nice that you have developed enough to get clients but you basically did his session for free.

How long did you work on that?

How much did you study to learn how to record in the first place?

How much did you spend on your gear?

being the cheapest guy around is double edge sword.

It does get you clients fast, but the quality of the music tends to be rather low. leaving you with a reputation that's just as bad as their music.

Any artists who takes themselves seriously is willing to pay for it.

Charging what your worth might to be the slower route, but you are more likely to wind up with a much stronger portfolio.
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You mentioned that if you raised your rates no one in your town would come to you.

If you really want to do this as a profession then you should move somewhere bigger.

If you're just into this as a hobby (and their is no shame or disrespect there) then stay where your at, but still try to cover your basics.

[joe_04_04]

Originally Posted by eastsidetone

Chances are that if it feels wrong; then it is wrong

plain and simple.

I know that you "moved on", but from psychologically speaking I feel that you are still trying justify your past actions. My advice is to learn from the past, and really move on.

Also I want you to consider this.

A client who is not willing to pay $10 for a beat is not likely to respect you.
Think about it that's $10 for a beat that could of taken hours of work.

It's nice that you have developed enough to get clients but you basically did his session for free.

How long did you work on that?

How much did you study to learn how to record in the first place?

How much did you spend on your gear?

being the cheapest guy around is double edge sword.

It does get you clients fast, but the quality of the music tends to be rather low. leaving you with a reputation that's just as bad as their music.

Any artists who takes themselves seriously is willing to pay for it.

Charging what your worth might to be the slower route, but you are more likely to wind up with a much stronger portfolio.
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You mentioned that if you raised your rates no one in your town would come to you.

If you really want to do this as a profession then you should move somewhere bigger.

If you're just into this as a hobby (and their is no shame or disrespect there) then stay where your at, but still try to cover your basics.

No, I hate that I removed those tags in the past, I was only ever trying to understand how it was seen in the eyes of the law. I'm bothered by the morality of it, I just was thinking that they wouldn't be selling the music anyway, so by using sections from the sample beat I wouldn't be doing any damage and giving credit to the beat-maker would offer them more exposure. I understand it wasn't right in retrospect. I'm not a bad person, I graduated with honors, I work my ass off to pay for bills. I help my mom and dad out all the time by coming home and taking out their trash or doing dishes, etc. I just made a bad call being stuck between a rock and a hard place, being asked to remove the tags by someone who was interested in me producing them. And I could only ever do this as a hobby, if I even tried to move to somewhere bigger I'd be broke, not to mention pushed aside in terms of a producer option bc I'd be in a town where there would be others doing the same thing but better than I. It's bc of this small town that I actually have clients, since no one else around here records.

[bino_5150]

As an engineer solely, it's none of your concern. It is the responsibility of the artist/label to make sure producers are paid/credited. Who's to say they won't purchase the beat? Or is this any different than someone coming to record a mixtape song over a Lil Wayne beat? Your job is to record/mix/master. Unless the artist is one of YOUR artists, don't worry about it... Damn sure don't lose money over it. If the producer has an issue in the end, it's between him and the artist and whatever arrangement they work out.