The Actual 808 Vs. The Plug-in?

[atma]

Originally Posted by kefka

I want the loudest quantinized sound.

huh? what do loud and quantized have to do with the hardware vs emulations? if those are your two stipulations for choosing one over the other, i'd seriously stick with the software emulation.

[Ward Boss]

Originally Posted by kefka

Should I buy the actual 808 or is the plug-in good enough? I want the loudest quantinized sound.

Unless you have a huge pile of cash lying around, I'd either get 808 sounds from a sample pack or something like this:

MARVIN VST | MARVIN PAVILION

[E-Maddox]

I would go with Nepheton from D16 and call it a wrap unless you have a love for hardware. It's the best that I've come across and Ive had it for a couple of years now.
They have Nepheton vs. 808 original on the right side bar.
D16 Group Audio Software - Beyond Perfection - Nepheton

How stiff and loud it's played is up to you. You can use the internal step sequencer or you host vst.

[dimconcept]

The "808" sound in modern rap sounds very little like an actual 808. If you want to sound current, use samples or emulation. But if hou are doing old school or retro hip hop, an actual 808 is best.

I have both. But I don't do rap anymore.

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[madehumble]

Originally Posted by E-Maddox

I would go with Nepheton from D16 and call it a wrap unless you have a love for hardware. It's the best that I've come across and Ive had it for a couple of years now.
They have Nepheton vs. 808 original on the right side bar.
D16 Group Audio Software - Beyond Perfection - Nepheton

How stiff and loud it's played is up to you. You can use the internal step sequencer or you host vst.

+1

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[Hobbs_Won]

Originally Posted by Ward Boss

Unless you have a huge pile of cash lying around, I'd either get 808 sounds from a sample pack or something like this:

MARVIN VST | MARVIN PAVILION

+1 for Marvin.... free and it blows Nepheton away, IMO.

[ksandvik]

You process a plug-in (compression et rest) or 808 and after a while the original sound is just a blurry memory.

[bigyo]

Originally Posted by kefka

Should I buy the actual 808 or is the plug-in good enough? I want the loudest quantinized sound.

ROTFL...hahahahahahahahahaa

[fooloof]

Originally Posted by dimconcept

The "808" sound in modern rap sounds very little like an actual 808.
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I think this is overstated. the modern 808 sound, sounds like sampled 808 snares and kicks, imo. I have an 808 and I sampled most of the sounds into my MPC.

My sampled 808s sound pretty much like the real one and are very similar to the samples you will hear in any commercial rap song.

[javd007]

My particular tr808 sounds very much like the current samples used on songs. Hard to describe. You could pretty much record mine dry, put some compression on the kick and it sounds like current rap 808s.

[KevWest]

$100 808 plug in > $3000 808 drum machine.

[javd007]

In your opinion... I'd rather my TR.

[Skamm Goodiez]

if you're askin... You not ready for the real thing...

[dimconcept]

Originally Posted by fooloof

I think this is overstated. the modern 808 sound, sounds like sampled 808 snares and kicks, imo. I have an 808 and I sampled most of the sounds into my MPC.

My sampled 808s sound pretty much like the real one and are very similar to the samples you will hear in any commercial rap song.

The majority of tracks use a pitched version of an 808 kick along with compression. Others use two or three versions of the kick each tuned to a different note.... It's gotten to the point where I've heard kids call any long decay kick drum an "808" even if the sound they hear is actually playing a bassline.

[fooloof]

Originally Posted by dimconcept

The majority of tracks use a pitched version of an 808 kick along with compression. Others use two or three versions of the kick each tuned to a different note.... It's gotten to the point where I've heard kids call any long decay kick drum an "808" even if the sound they hear is actually playing a bassline.

all very true, but doesn't contradict my point. sampled 808s do strongly resemble the real 808, certainly well enough for whatever the OP is doing.

[Dayl]

Never used it, but again have heard great things about D16's emulation. Me personally, I really like coming across other peoples 'holy grail' 808 kits and kick variations. There are plenty out there and a lot of good ones. So its Battery for me all the way. TBH the only time I've used the real thing was many years ago, I had no what it was, it seemed limited and basic.... and kinda fake silly me.

[KevWest]

Originally Posted by dimconcept

It's gotten to the point where I've heard kids call any long decay kick drum an "808" even if the sound they hear is actually playing a bassline.

Lmfao its funny because its true

[beat you down]

do these 808 plug ins emulate what happens when sustained kicks overlap on a real 808?

[Audio Alex]

Another vote for MARVIN. Works well.

Also DR008 is good if you still have an XP machine lying around to run it on, but it is no longer supported.

You could also try FL's DrumSynth which I believe is coded by the same guy that did the DR008 stuff.

Not sure if this helps because I am not sure what "I want the loudest quantinized sound" means.

[longbongsilver]

Originally Posted by Audio Alex

Not sure if this helps because I am not sure what "I want the loudest quantinized sound" means.

I assumed it was a joke, really.

Originally Posted by beat you down

do these 808 plug ins emulate what happens when sustained kicks overlap on a real 808?

You mean the feedback effect like in that Egyptian Lover video? I'd be shocked if one did...

[bonusbmusic]

Originally Posted by Skamm Goodiez

if you're askin... You not ready for the real thing...

true, but getting the real thing could change how u see production. i would never talk someone out of buying something so great

[bonusbmusic]

Originally Posted by beat you down

do these 808 plug ins emulate what happens when sustained kicks overlap on a real 808?

sometimes i love and sometimes hate that, but its part of the 808 package

[beat you down]

Originally Posted by longbongsilver

You mean the feedback effect like in that Egyptian Lover video? I'd be shocked if one did...

shocked?

is that feedback?

i checked some old def jam stuff and i think it sounds way more dynamic that way. like they are pitching up and down.

[atma]

but.. which emulation has the loudest quantized sound?

[fooloof]

Originally Posted by KevWest

Lmfao its funny because its true

but it actually is true, is it not? I mean, the signature element of the 808 kick is the long decay, not the attack. And doesn't that just come from a sine wave?

so, any sound that is a similarly long, low freqency note, is, for practical purposes, an "808".

[longbongsilver]

Originally Posted by beat you down

shocked?

is that feedback?

"Feedback" was the way somebody described it. I thought it was modded at first, but I guess the pitch modulates a bit when two long booms overlap on the real thing. Maybe not technically feedback, more like circuit distortion/saturation emphasizing a different frequency.

Yes, I would be surprised if someone did a software emulation that did the same thing, especially considering that was a revelation even to some on this site. Odds are low a developer had that on their radar if we didn't.

[beat you down]

Originally Posted by longbongsilver

"Feedback" was the way somebody described it. I thought it was modded at first, but I guess the pitch modulates a bit when two long booms overlap on the real thing. Maybe not technically feedback, more like circuit distortion/saturation emphasizing a different frequency.

Yes, I would be surprised if someone did a software emulation that did the same thing, especially considering that was a revelation even to some on this site. Odds are low a developer had that on their radar if we didn't.

ok shocked in that way! gotcha.

btw check out posse in effect and the last part of the new style by the beasties the effect seems also to be there when booms are not overlapping.

i think the effect is really cool now that i know about it... i think emulations sounds kinda lifeless.

[KevWest]

Originally Posted by fooloof

but it actually is true, is it not? I mean, the signature element of the 808 kick is the long decay, not the attack. And doesn't that just come from a sine wave?

so, any sound that is a similarly long, low freqency note, is, for practical purposes, an "808".

I can make a kick with a long decay with a saw tooth, triangle and square wave too. The sonics of an 808 is a sine wave but for example when we did the sound challenge or whatever last month I do believe I used a triangle and not a sine wave but it was still called an 808 and I cut off the decay.

[Hobbs_Won]

Originally Posted by atma

but.. which emulation has the loudest quantized sound?