One of my favorite producers is Cardiak.
My favorite recent beats from him are:
I love his drums. They are so live sounding and groovy.
I've watched all his youtube videos and it seems like he always click them in instead playing them with pads/keys.
Here's a video where he's programming some DOPE as drums.
I don't have FL so Idk how the groove settings work but he surely has to use some type of groove template, there's no way quantized drums are sounding like that even with the most intricate velocity programming. What do guys think he is doing to make his drums groove like that? Is it some kind of groove template or do you think he is moving each individual hit on and off the grid at certain points?
hmmm....so hard to tell these days as there are so many resources;Groove template, studio drummer loop; programming with no grid setting and on it goes.
I dont think there is anything wrong with click programming, so long as you take snap off and move the hits into what you think are the ideal groove.
I pretty much have to play them with a keyboard or pads. I mean that's the fun part so I'll only draw in corrections/edits. But I really don't mind playing it 20 times + to get it right.
drag and drop usually for me.
If I play them with the keys I often quantize them to grid, and use the plugins randomize settings to create more of a groove.
"there's no way quantized drums are sounding like that even with the most intricate velocity programming."
Probably start with quantize, than turn it off and move stuff around till each piece fits the pocket. If you have listened to a lot of drumming you have a feel for what just sits just right in terms of arrangement, space and velocity. I can't do much else good, but listening to DC percussion all my life, that is the ONE thing I do know!
And you can also quantize the input from the pads too. You can set your own groove template based on your own timing so that what you hit lands on your own grid regardless of how sloppy you play.
You can do anything you want. But if you try to mimick what someone else is doing just keep in mind that it is their own flow, and you might not be able to replicate that. Find your method that brings out YOUR flow.
I play all of my drums live. I just don't like the idea of drawing in sounds unless I'm doing a more modern type production (trap, r&b.) When I work on Hip-Hop tracks.. I love the feeling and imperfection in playing stuff live. I also have great timing playing the drums live on the MPD so it works for me.
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You are asking two different questions here. Do you want to know about dude or what we do?
I guess I was wanting to know if you guys knew how he made his drums groove.
I've seen in some videos; he was using EZdrummer.
Can you extract just a groove from their loops?
I guess I was wanting to know if you guys knew how he made his drums groove.
I've seen in some videos; he was using EZdrummer.
Can you extract just a groove from their loops?
I'm not sure what DAW you use but there's a way to extract the groove from drums via midi files. I've seen it done in Logic, not sure how people go about doing it in other daws.
I guess I was wanting to know if you guys knew how he made his drums groove.
I've seen in some videos; he was using EZdrummer.
Can you extract just a groove from their loops?
Yeah you can.
As for Cardiak he uses he plays em live and clicks em in.
Look at his most recent video on his youtube channel you'll notice he plays it live. I still think he moves the notes though.
I'm not sure what DAW you use but there's a way to extract the groove from drums via midi files. I've seen it done in Logic, not sure how people go about doing it in other daws.
works in reason also. The Groove mixer has an option to "extract groove from clip" or something to that effect. I'm at work so I don't have it in front of me to reference. I'd be surprised if u can't do it in any DAW
being able to play pads like an instrument can be a game changer as far as groove - laying the hats, kicks and snares etc all at the same time imparts a certain something you won't get elsewhere. i usually tap in and edit manually afterwards if needed.
you can draw things in but unless you're going for a very rigid, static sound it can be a whole lot of trouble making it sound right.
being able to play pads like an instrument can be a game changer as far as groove - laying the hats, kicks and snares etc all at the same time imparts a certain something you won't get elsewhere. i usually tap in and edit manually afterwards if needed.
you can draw things in but unless you're going for a very rigid, static sound it can be a whole lot of trouble making it sound right.
I will even add that playing the pads in loop record w/overdub and playing one or 2 parts in a couple passes has a much different feel than painting them in.
But still painting the drums in right on the grid and moving certain parts around can give it a very specific feel. Even if you have the kick and snare aligned perfectly...just moving the lead around or the bassline can get you in that sweet spot.
i dunno man, his drums all sound basically quantized and mechanical to me. i'm not sure what you're hearing that you aren't able to achieve via programming.
When I program live I more want sparse, loose type drums that say more with their tone, and don't quantize. Might nudge a note or two in that case, but no quantize. I play the drums from the keyboard, mostly cuz I got sick of having to reprogram the drum pads.
If I want tight, intricate, complex patterns, then I draw em in. Might as well. Track in my sig for example: whole intent drumwise was f*cking with speed, making it sound much faster than it actually is.
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One of my favorite producers is Cardiak.
My favorite recent beats from him are:
I love his drums. They are so live sounding and groovy.
I've watched all his youtube videos and it seems like he always click them in instead playing them with pads/keys.
Here's a video where he's programming some DOPE as drums.
I don't have FL so Idk how the groove settings work but he surely has to use some type of groove template, there's no way quantized drums are sounding like that even with the most intricate velocity programming. What do guys think he is doing to make his drums groove like that? Is it some kind of groove template or do you think he is moving each individual hit on and off the grid at certain points?
You can make step inputted drums sound as live as you like, of course you can. Just takes a lot of work!
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i dunno man, his drums all sound basically quantized and mechanical to me. i'm not sure what you're hearing that you aren't able to achieve via programming.
Depends on what I want. For trap stuff (I have been playing with trap lately) clicking just works better. For everything else its pretty much on the keys because I don't have pads right now. I had a MPD 16 18 and 24 at different points but ended up getting rid of each for one reason or another.
I think there's a time and a place for both programming via clicking and playing it out. If I'm creating or improvising on an existing pattern, I'm definitely playing it out on a kit or some pads. If I know exactly what I want, or I'm just adding something over the top, often it's more efficient to click it in with a midi clip in ableton.
Someone else said it too, but if you click - groove templates, especially your own custom ones that you've taken from a dope cut can be great for giving it a different feel.
Hey, I didn't read all the replies but here is a trick I used to use when I used to program my drums.
First set your grid to a low resolution and input the MIDI data on grid.
Then increase the resolution of the grid and shift notes around to taste.
To get a push/ pull kind of swing, leave one element in prefect time. I usually left the main snare hit on grid.
Then nudge the kicks around a little bit.
The high hats are kind of important in getting interesting swing effects. Make sure you vary the velocities when you program them. And as for grid settings, I usually lag them behind the snare hit.
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