Upgrade to full Maschine or wait for MPC Studio

[10 ton splash]

[QUOTE=MONSTA_ONE;8120471]

Originally Posted by MIDIchlorian

You are obviously interested in the MPC REN and Studio or you wouldn't be in all the posts about it.
When it is officially released the experts will be able to fully show why the new MPC is so great.
I'm not saying it's good because I expect it to be good, I actually know it's good first hand.



dude of course im interested = fact ... but why do you doge my questions . its a simple one .. whats makes the mpc ren worth 1299 .. break it down .. and a great mechanic is useless if the driver doesn't like the car .... and yes i will admit i mite get the ren ,, but thats not gona stop me from speaking my mind .... i dont see anything innovative ..akai use to drown the competition ... now it loos like they can barely swim .. so i beg you MIDIchlorian . let me repeat .. i beg you show me whats makes the mpc ren worth 1299 .. and if i do buy the mpc ren .. it will be because i can use what roger linn created and use it with my comp ....

First things first, I would pay extra just for the better looking designs of the mpc controllers. Thats me though. Isn't there also a sound card on the top end model? I think the price comparison your making would be better off with the middle end model. The cool looking futuristic one, hahaha. We also have to wait for the feature list. I dont think they're aim is to make it worse than maschine. hahaha.

[10 ton splash]

Originally Posted by Clonkified

Hi,

I have the Maschine Mikro right now and it's pretty great. NI's software is mature and solid. I was thinking of possibly upgrading to the full Maschine during the summer sale, but should I wait until the MPC Studio comes out? Any ETA for that?

Thanks!

You already have Maschine, I would wait. Actually I would forget about it for a while and pick up other things on my need/want list.

[MONSTA_ONE]

Originally Posted by mp3

Value is a personal thing. That's not an addressable question.

sure it is .. and im asking him his personal option .. where not at an art exhibit ..

[mp3]

Well in that case the Roger Linn heritage is fair game...

[Shobiz]

[QUOTE=10 ton splash;8120588]

Originally Posted by MONSTA_ONE

First things first, I would pay extra just for the better looking designs of the mpc controllers. Thats me though. Isn't there also a sound card on the top end model? I think the price comparison your making would be better off with the middle end model. The cool looking futuristic one, hahaha. We also have to wait for the feature list. I dont think they're aim is to make it worse than maschine. hahaha.

I agree with this. And It will read every MPC song/sequence/file ever created on any MPC. Think of how many "dope" beats you didn't even track because you were lazy. The export feature alone has me excited. But Akai better hurry up, I'm learning Studio One, and so far (for me) its the closet to an MPC work flow as far as sequencing goes. Although, I never tried Logic.

[MONSTA_ONE]

Originally Posted by mp3

Well in that case the Roger Linn heritage is fair game...

ok fine lol ...

[MONSTA_ONE]

[QUOTE=Shobiz;8120628]

Originally Posted by 10 ton splash

I agree with this. And It will read every MPC song/sequence/file ever created on any MPC. Think of how many "dope" beats you didn't even track because you were lazy. The export feature alone has me excited. But Akai better hurry up, I'm learning Studio One, and so far (for me) its the closet to an MPC work flow as far as sequencing goes. Although, I never tried Logic.

try again i track out every dope beats i made .. thats one of the best parts of makin music .. tracking out your beats... knowing that im finally finished this beat and now the world can hear it ..

[viewing]

Originally Posted by Jahrome

As far as biased answers....I am an MPC user. 99% of the time...an MPC is what I will reach for first. But I also use Maschine, Battery, Mach Five, Emulator X....also have a Fantom G, ASR, Kronos, multiple MPCs, etc.

haha jahrome says this all the time

[MONSTA_ONE]

Originally Posted by viewingstuff

haha jahrome says this all the time

thats his co worker lol

[Bullseye]

I had an MPC about 10 years ago. Moved to software but I would say that the MPC had/has its own feel that was always nice and has been an integral part of hip hop and r&b for years. That is part of the lure of the MPC. Wondering how the Maschine is for this particular aspect?

[MONSTA_ONE]

Originally Posted by Bullseye

I had an MPC about 10 years ago. Moved to software but I would say that the MPC had/has its own feel that was always nice and has been an integral part of hip hop and r&b for years. That is part of the lure of the MPC. Wondering how the Maschine is for this particular aspect?

thats the point im tryin to make .. after 20 + years of making beats on the asr 10 and the mpc .. im used to that work flow .. so the ni maschine is a new work flow i have 2 learn .. and im allready set in my ways ,, so that can be frustrating .. so its ether i learn the maschine .. or i pay 1299 for a ni maschine clone with a roger linn work flow !!!!!!!

[ThisBirdHasFlown]

you guys like the look of the new mpc studio/ren? my friends and i were joking it looks like an mpc made by playskool

honestly though i was this close to picking up a secondhand mpc 2000xl for $400 or $500 of ebay, until i heard about how the studio/ren supposed release date coming up, (still new to producing so the studio or 2kxl models would be a big step up for me, plus dont need to worry much about learning new work flows) which lead me to research the competitor NI maschine a little more

the more i research the maschine the more i like what i see. at $400 i think the price is right and i should buy

[Cicatrix]

Originally Posted by MONSTA_ONE

thats the point im tryin to make .. after 20 + years of making beats on the asr 10 and the mpc .. im used to that work flow .. so the ni maschine is a new work flow i have 2 learn .. and im allready set in my ways ,, so that can be frustrating .. so its ether i learn the maschine .. or i pay 1299 for a ni maschine clone with a roger linn work flow !!!!!!!

I am a Asr x, and mpc user 10+ years. maschine only wanted to make me pull my hair out for the initial first few days. after that I had one of those ohhhh moments. it is a slick piece of kit, it's really not that bad to transition to. I like to swap back and forth between mpc and maschine. none of this one or the other nonsense.

[Clonkified]

Sweetwater says MPC Studio will be available Fall 2012 at $599 ($200 more than the full Maschine right now).

[MONSTA_ONE]

Originally Posted by Cicatrix

I am a Asr x, and mpc user 10+ years. maschine only wanted to make me pull my hair out for the initial first few days. after that I had one of those ohhhh moments. it is a slick piece of kit, it's really not that bad to transition to. I like to swap back and forth between mpc and maschine. none of this one or the other nonsense.

to learn how to work a maschine can take days... but to truly master a maschine takes years .. i could maybe make a beat with my eyes closed on a asr 10 .. but it took me years and years to do that .. but it took me days to learn how to work it .. you know what im sayin ?? im at one with my asr 10 .. like Stevie wonder was with his piano . or like jimi hendrix was with his guitar .... so my point is i fell akai bump the price knowing this .. let me ask you this . and be honest ... would you buy the ren for 1299.. if it was not made by akai but did the same thing ? all im sayin for 1299 .. and in the year 2012 .. the ren should do a whole lot more !!! so in my eyes the ren is just a ni maschine . with roger linn software . with the akai name and a 1299 price tag ...

[ThisBirdHasFlown]

yeah i know the mpc studio is due out before too long. im really in the same boat as the original poster,
do i wait two or three months to be a guinea pig on the 600 dollar mpc studio? or even a year before flaws are worked out? (obviously akai is among the most well reputed hardware companies but some people seem to think their conversion to computer software will be questionable) or do i seize the opportunity to join the countless others who are loving their maschine and its capabilities?

currently i don't use a DAW and do not expect to have the money for a good one anytime soon, so i am really liking the potential set ups both packages offer. more and more i am leaning towards the maschine, here is why

one thing i expect is the mpc studio to cover a lot of the maschines short comings, which would then cause NI to go ahead and make a new line of maschines (2.0 or whatever) that would make up for a lot of the mpc studios shortcomings, creating a whole war between the two companies and one that will likely not settle on one solid model anytime soon (obviously I could be wrong). But if this does happen and i were to keep waiting for one of the companies to prevail as the victor, i could be without a good sampler for a while (past two years ive been using a freely acquired boss sp-505, go ahead and make fun, i had to start somewhere) which is what leads me to believe at the low cost of 400 dollars (was about to spend that much on a secondhand mpc 2000xl) i will be more than satisfied with the maschine.

[MIDIchlorian]

Originally Posted by Goa-Dubs

wow.Screen burn.Now we can adjust our beats on the grid,computerstyle.

That's just over exposure of the camera,not screen burn lol
Or do you mean screen burn into the iMac screen?

Originally Posted by ThisBirdHasFlown

if youre not already writing a review for this I would be very appreciative if you did so

I'm not allowed to do a review or and videos until it comes out.
I know that if I was granted permission to do a top 10 features demo it would create a huge buzz for it. But it's not going to happen.

However the wait is almost over,time flys.

[Goa-Dubs]

Originally Posted by MIDIchlorian

That's just over exposure of the camera,not screen burn lol
Or do you mean screen burn into the iMac screen?

Screen burn is too much screens and not enuff feel.People used to look at a score or structure on paper or just play by ear.Nowadays we have the digital color screen turned up right in our face.MPC used to give us some reprieve from that.Part of its charm.Yeah i know you can turn it off.I never liked the maschine screen.Ableton is ok.edit-about screens,they emit a lot of light.If you use them a lot especially before bed your brain is tricked into thinking its daytime and so cannot rest(imagine the accumalative effect of years of stare ing).Naturally light diminishes as it gets later so a bright large screen its very unnatural.Ok im done : ]

[MONSTA_ONE]

Originally Posted by MIDIchlorian

I'm not allowed to do a review or and videos until it comes out.
I know that if I was granted permission to do a top 10 features demo it would create a huge buzz for it. But it's not going to happen.

However the wait is almost over,time flys.

well i seen the latest videos .. i allso know some beta testers lol and if i told you who .. akai would diss own them ahaahaha .. and the ren is done for now .. if the ren is not done .. how the hell is coming out in 3 months huh huh huh huh ... man this ant poker and if it is . i rise you .. cuzz i call your bluff .. and no this is not a side taking thing .. at the end of the day i just want a good piece of gear .. and if you ask me i wouldn't be surprised .. if akai and native instruments .both sit around and have lunch . and joke around like homies

[CharlesEdward]

Originally Posted by MIDIchlorian

You are obviously interested in the MPC REN and Studio or you wouldn't be in all the posts about it.
When it is officially released the experts will be able to fully show why the new MPC is so great.
I'm not saying it's good because I expect it to be good, I actually know it's good first hand.

This pic is giving me a serious case of ren fever.

[wax808]

Originally Posted by themixtape

All this talk aside, I have a feeling that the new MPCs (the Maschine competitors) will still have horrible pad sensitivity just as they always have.... and you'll need to mod them, either DIY, or with $15-50 kits from mpcstuff.com. To me and to a lot of other users, that keeps Maschine in the lead.

"Horrible pad sensitivity"? lol.

I could see how MAYBE the MPC 500 might hurt the most tender of computer-kid hands, but all of the MPC's I've owned are great to play percussive type samples with. Same with my MV8k and Maschine.

[Cicatrix]

Originally Posted by MONSTA_ONE

to learn how to work a maschine can take days... but to truly master a maschine takes years .. i could maybe make a beat with my eyes closed on a asr 10 .. but it took me years and years to do that .. but it took me days to learn how to work it .. you know what im sayin ?? im at one with my asr 10 .. like Stevie wonder was with his piano . or like jimi hendrix was with his guitar .... so my point is i fell akai bump the price knowing this .. let me ask you this . and be honest ... would you buy the ren for 1299.. if it was not made by akai but did the same thing ? all im sayin for 1299 .. and in the year 2012 .. the ren should do a whole lot more !!! so in my eyes the ren is just a ni maschine . with roger linn software . with the akai name and a 1299 price tag ...

man I totally know where your coming from. How you said you are with your Asr 10, that's how I am with my x. when someone says the asrx is confusing I'm like really? no way! anyway, to answer your question about if I'd buy the renn if it was another company's kit. at this point I wouldn't even buy it as it is now. I'm just really comfortable in my current routes of making music. mpc2500, maschine with some soft synths and I'm like a pig in some slop. see I'm almost saying the exact same thing you are. comfort zone built. lol. maybe I will force myself to get the renn just like I initially did for maschine.

[MIDIchlorian]

Originally Posted by CharlesEdward

This pic is giving me a serious case of ren fever.

Here is another one for you then.
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[voorhee]

Maschines suck. No use for it in FL studio other than a expensive controller. I admit the pads are real nice but the software its bundled with is straight ass. The sequencer sucks and there's many glitches such as the first note being recorded last no time stretch ... they should of fixed that 3 years ago seriously ni will never see my business again.

[MONSTA_ONE]

MIDIchlorian OK IM HAPPY FOR YOU THAT YOUR A BETA TESTER .. ..BUT ILL WOULD NEVER TRADE BEING ONE . OVER HAVING THE FREEDOM OF SAYING WHAT EVER I WANT AND WHEN I WANT .. U CANT GIVE US ANY REAL ANSWERS ... ONLY A BIAS ONE .. ENSONQ NEVER HAD TO PLANT SALES MEN IN FORUMS , CUZZ IT WAS A DOPE SAMPLER .. THE MPC 3000 / MPC 60 AKAI S950 SOLD IT SELF ... SAME GOES FOR THE SP 1200 .. WHY DONT YOU POST SOME SOUND CLIPS OF VINTAGE MODE ?? INSTEAD OF PICS WE ALL READY SEEN ??

[MONSTA_ONE]

Originally Posted by voorhee

Maschines suck. No use for it in FL studio other than a expensive controller. I admit the pads are real nice but the software its bundled with is straight ass. The sequencer sucks and there's many glitches such as the first note being recorded last no time stretch ... they should of fixed that 3 years ago seriously ni will never see my business again.

I AGREE I DONT LIKE THE MASCHINES sequencer .. AND I HAD THE GHOST KNOB GLITCH .. BUT I SENT IN MY MASCHINE AND THEY SENT ME A BRAND NEW ONE .. AND NOW IT WORKS FINE ..

[Hermit_Crab]

Originally Posted by MONSTA_ONE

MIDIchlorian OK IM HAPPY FOR YOU THAT YOUR A BETA TESTER .. ..BUT ILL WOULD NEVER TRADE BEING ONE . OVER HAVING THE FREEDOM OF SAYING WHAT EVER I WANT AND WHEN I WANT .. U CANT GIVE US ANY REAL ANSWERS ... ONLY A BIAS ONE .. ENSONQ NEVER HAD TO PLANT SALES MEN IN FORUMS , CUZZ IT WAS A DOPE SAMPLER .. THE MPC 3000 / MPC 60 AKAI S950 SOLD IT SELF ... SAME GOES FOR THE SP 1200 .. WHY DONT YOU POST SOME SOUND CLIPS OF VINTAGE MODE ?? INSTEAD OF PICS WE ALL READY SEEN ??

He's not allowed man. Patience.

[MONSTA_ONE]

Originally Posted by Hermit_Crab

He's not allowed man. Patience.

he will never be allowed to say what he truly feels .. only if its in akais favor

[Hermit_Crab]

We'll see when it comes out. Who knows? Maybe it just a really dope piece of gear with nothing really bad to report

[MONSTA_ONE]

[QUOTE=Hermit_Crab;8122670]We'll see when it comes out. Who knows? Maybe it just a really dope piece of gear with nothing really bad to report



so your telling me the ren will be the worlds first piece gear . with no probs . sounds like i just exposed another sales man aahahahahaahaha thats four so far lol