Using real drums?

[JoRillo]

I personally love live drums on records or even some very intensive drum programming with real samples. All depends on the track.

I'd say if you have access or funds to do so, then do it. Some tracks will greatly benifit by the sound and swing of real drums.

[aproblem]

i'd be interested

[Fireworks]

I don't sample high hats or cymbals. I play real highs and cymbals on my tracks.

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[KevWest]

I use addictive drums for that feel but I find myself more and more going back to one shots because I am finding its easier to get a certain sound vs using Live sounding drums for another

[Hobbs_Won]

live drums have their place....but nothing like one shots seasoned to taste...

[musicl]

Live drums is where the is life. Love that sound and groove which is very much missing from hip hop

[3rd Degree]

Originally Posted by nimblemongoose;8103129[I

]Are any of you Hip Hop producers still using live drums for any of your tracks? [/I]I've been thinking about venturing into online session drumming for a while now. I just don't know if it's worth it, or popular/lucrative anymore. Has it all gone to samples and programming? Is everyone just flying solo with small budgets?

Here's some recent drum tracks I've recorded and posted in another thread:

Gretsch's Catalina Club is THE best drum set I own.

The part in italics was just something I wanted to address. Hip Hop, for the most part, has always used samples and programming. That is why the "drum machine" has been such an iconic piece of the genre.

I hate to be the one who "clarifies" but in this case, it's really always been like that, for the most part.


I may be interested myself, that said.

I think one thing you want to take into account is that it's often hard for people to justify spending money on something they may never sell. Even for myself, I don't take into account what I paid for a single record on a beat I sold. I have to think about it from a perspective of how many records I bought to get not only the sample for the beat I sold, but also all the other beats that I have yet to sell, many probably won't ever be sold.

[Jesse381]

I like those drum grooves you posted. That kit sounds real nice as does your playing. How much would you be charging?

[nimblemongoose]

Originally Posted by Jesse381

I like those drum grooves you posted. That kit sounds real nice as does your playing. How much would you be charging?

This is why I made the post. I really don't know what an online drum session is worth. I'm just putting my feelers out.

My typical day rate for engineering is 500 a day. That seems high for an online drum session, a service that doesn't seem entirely necessary anymore. There seems to be enough people doing this already, but with lowball prices. I'm confident in my sound, and I know my service would be better, but at what price point will people just hire someone else, or just program the drums?

I'm basically an engineer who woke up and realized I'm still a drummer and I should do something with it! I play drums for a church choir, but that is only so fulfilling.

[Dayl]

That kick sounds great! the rest sounds pretty regular but you have a realy nice groove.

The fact that you are an engineer is a plus (should be) in terms of delivering a consistent high end product.

Web sites are easy to come by these days... etc etc .. what would it hurt getting things off the ground?

I'd be keen if I was in the market, it's a good thing.

Take the leap and good luck!

[nimblemongoose]

I guess I really don't have anything to lose do I Dayl. Since my studio is already my source of income this would only be an accessory to that business with 0 investment needed (besides time spent promoting). Before I got into the studio business it was my pipe dream to make money off performing alone. The idea this could still be in my future in some shape or form is nice to think about!

[KT1]

Originally Posted by nimblemongoose

I guess I really don't have anything to lose do I Dayl. Since my studio is already my source of income this would only be an accessory to that business with 0 investment needed (besides time spent promoting). Before I got into the studio business it was my pipe dream to make money off performing alone. The idea this could still be in my future in some shape or form is nice to think about!

Take it a step further. Obtain an electronic drum kit and offer your midi services. Good samples or user provided. Provide both audio tracked and midi and you have a much larger and significantly more interesting business.

Good luck .

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[Jesse381]

Originally Posted by nimblemongoose

This is why I made the post. I really don't know what an online drum session is worth. I'm just putting my feelers out.

My typical day rate for engineering is 500 a day. That seems high for an online drum session, a service that doesn't seem entirely necessary anymore. There seems to be enough people doing this already, but with lowball prices. I'm confident in my sound, and I know my service would be better, but at what price point will people just hire someone else, or just program the drums?

I'm basically an engineer who woke up and realized I'm still a drummer and I should do something with it! I play drums for a church choir, but that is only so fulfilling.

You could also consider selling loops. There's a lot of websites that allow you to sell your own original loops through their site, or you could always make your own site. I think that could be a more profitable business for you, as there doesn't seem to be a lot of ppl today willing to pay what a session drummer costs, but there are tons of ppl that will pay $10-20 here and there for loop packs. And the advantage is you can sel the same loops repeatedly, and only have to play for a few bars, as opposed to doing a whole song.

You could always offer both services too on your website and just let the customer choose.

[Thunderdan]

Im pretty sure the guy who did "show me what you got" charges 200

[gighive]

Originally Posted by musicl

Live drums is where the is life. Love that sound and groove which is very much missing from hip hop

Nice Sounding Drum beat. Me Likey!

[Musiclab]

years ago I worked with a producer named "Pumpkin" who played drums, and he would do tracks live with the rapper.

[voorhee]

Anyone know any free or well priced good quality acoustic drum samples?

[Zachariah]

Originally Posted by voorhee

Anyone know any free or well priced good quality acoustic drum samples?

The SoulSchool Refills for Reason suite my fancy.

[SeanBlake]

Originally Posted by Thunderdan

Im pretty sure the guy who did "show me what you got" charges 200

just blaze/1500 or nothin...show me what you got - YouTube

LOL If this guy charges two bills a track, somebody needs to put me in touch.

As for live drums in Hip Hop, I know RJD2 does it quite a bit (check out the RJD2 sticky thread) and it's pretty dope.

I tend to program my own drums with Addictive Drums, spent a lot of time learning to make the programming sound human. That being said, I wouldn't rule out getting a real drummer for a song. Sometimes it's not about the sound of the drums but just getting another musician's take on them. I want to see what you might play to this beat, based on your background and style.

If I were you and this was only a little side money, I'd charge whatever I feel like. Don't go cheap because you don't think you can charge more.

[nimblemongoose]

Originally Posted by SeanBlake

If I were you and this was only a little side money, I'd charge whatever I feel like. Don't go cheap because you don't think you can charge more.

I like this train of thought.

[KevWest]

Originally Posted by Zachariah

The SoulSchool Refills for Reason suite my fancy.

Soul School is cool but for hip hop Disco School is much much better.

[KevWest]

Originally Posted by SeanBlake

just blaze/1500 or nothin...show me what you got - YouTube

LOL If this guy charges two bills a track, somebody needs to put me in touch.

As for live drums in Hip Hop, I know RJD2 does it quite a bit (check out the RJD2 sticky thread) and it's pretty dope.

I tend to program my own drums with Addictive Drums, spent a lot of time learning to make the programming sound human. That being said, I wouldn't rule out getting a real drummer for a song. Sometimes it's not about the sound of the drums but just getting another musician's take on them. I want to see what you might play to this beat, based on your background and style.

If I were you and this was only a little side money, I'd charge whatever I feel like. Don't go cheap because you don't think you can charge more.

What do you do when it comes to layering drums with AD? That is my one beef with it is I cannot layer unless I run multiple instances which often times means I have to replay stuff 2 or 3 times in Live to get it right. I don't want to do that because it doesn't always feel the same unless I start dealing with quantizing which I try not to when dealing with AD.

[voorhee]

No hate to my reason brothers but anyone else know of good samples? I love the ones in sampletank.

[KevWest]

Originally Posted by voorhee

No hate to my reason brothers but anyone else know of good samples? I love the ones in sampletank.

What kind of samples?

[Zachariah]

Originally Posted by KevWest

Soul School is cool but for hip hop Disco School is much much better.

Im gonna get it then mr. icarus! Thank you

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[atma]

what do you mean STILL using live drums? they've traditionally always been a rarity in hip-hop. you'd probably have more luck with R&B producers.