Any Reason 6.5 Producers in here?

[KevWest]

Originally Posted by toddreloaded

Reason used to have FL beat on all fronts. But FL kept improving and Reason basically stayed the same.

1. It took them forever just to add a recording option.

2. They still haven't incorporated Recycle into Reason. WTF???

FL Studio still has shit for stock sounds but other than that It's 100% legit. And to be honest Reasons sound bank isn't that impressive accept for synths. Either way you're better off importing your own.

Ultimately, I think Reason might be better for EDM cuz of it's synths. But I don't know many people still making complete tracks using Reason standalone and not Rewired. I really wish Reason would've adapted with the times.

Now I only use Reason cuz I can preview samples faster than in a DAW/Kontakt

Maybe it was me but I don't think Reason was ever intended to be a full on DAW which is why so many of those features were excluded for so long. I think now they are kinda getting with the times and understanding most people just want 1 music making program. Reason isn't really a EDM program its a music making program that doesn't favor one genre or another it is what it is. The same way that Kontakt does't favor a genre it is what it is. And I think comparing Reason to something like Komplete is a more accurate assesment than FL studio. Its just most judge it based on its stand alone mode where it can be used to completely create a song rather as a plug in. If rewire was vst most of these arguments wouldn't happen but in most DAWs rewire is treated just like vst.

[toddreloaded]

Let me put it this way... I started making music with FL, then switched to Reason 3. Used Reason 4 then started using Pro Tools/Sonar. Once I realized how much more was possible with a full DAW, I used Reason less and less.

Reason's mixing/mastering tools are just not in the same league as third party Big Boys like Waves/McDSP/or even Izotope.

This is why I said Reason is better for EDM as it is probably the easiest genre to mix IMO. Just compress the shit out of the low end and separate mids/highs.(see David Guetta)

At this point Reason is basically a full DAW without VST support.So the closest thing you can really compare it to is actual DAWs. I like Reason for it's stability/ work flow, but to really maximize it's potential you're eventually going to want to press that Rewire button.

[beyondat]

I agree with KevWest on this. I dont think R6 is trying to be a "daw" . It does have some basic function of a daw but you need those to really be able to compose. Personally i dont need a waves or uad compressor in my " beatmaking " stage , i save that for the mix in which I use pro tools. If I need to compress for the sake of dynamics an not for coloration then i have found the R6 processors to be more than adequate, and third party developers are coding many more. I couldnt see actually mixing in R6 but for synths and and the ability to be able to record audio from your hardware synths its perfect.

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[C//AZM]

Same here. But really, I'd like to see the pulveriser and some of the RE's available as Rtas Plugin for PT, not the other way around.

[coolbreeze]

i think one of Reason's strongest point is taking stems and doing quick mix/mastering... provided the stems are in decent shape... i.e. sound half decent... what i find is when using something like Cubase... mixing becomes a real chore... yes... there are more opinions available in Cubase... but with Reason a quick mix/mastering is a piece of cake... just come down the channel strip... for each stem... if you need to insert/send/return... it is right there... if you need to eq... it is right there... low/high pass filters... right there... also the master bus compressor... this is compared to opening/closing plugins in a DAW for each channel...

after mixing and creating a stereo file... run that stereo file back thru Reason using the Ozone Limiter on the master bus... you can get some good/quick/easy results...

[ToneCre8]

This whole argument for REs and Reason's semi closed system is so very dated. I haven't had a plugin crash my system in many years. Certainly longer than I can remember. And I've never had an Apple plugin crash Logic or a Steinberg plugin crash Cubase. 3rd party plugins? Sure, but the same 3rd party developers would be creating the REs as well. Software being obsolescent proof or preventing you from taking a system update? Hardly.

I don't believe anyone is making an unstable DAW in this day. Propeller Heads make a great product but so do all the other guys. The latter just chose a more open way of doing it IMHO. And for every 1 person that says they don't want vst support in Reason for "stability" reasons (no pun), there are at lease 10 more that do (I know, it's just a number I pulled outta my arse). I mean even if you didn't install a single vst, wouldn't you at least like the option?

[beyondat]

I think more companies will start to develop for the RE format. At least I hope. I've been using the R6 demo for about a week now and I haven't felt like I needed a vst yet. Well, my drum library is in Kontakt, but its all wav files so I am slowly importing them into NNxt. I lied, today I wanted to make a vocal sound like it was sampled from vinyl and I did miss my izotope vinyl plugin! I'm still using the R6 demo so I have to dump my beats into my ASR-x before I close R6 since I can't open a song files.

[KevWest]

Originally Posted by ToneCre8

I don't believe anyone is making an unstable DAW in this day.

Sonar X1. Live crashes on me when opening plug ins at times too. Sonar crashes sometimes for no reason at all. It will just go BSOD.

[coolbreeze]

with ableton live... in my experience... when you get to the 3.2 GB threadhold... ableton live becomes problematic... i have not had one problem with ableton live 8.4 64-bit beta... and i am talking about projects with two instances of stylus rmx, omniphere, trillian, east/west play, kontakt and halion sonic...

from my experience... ableton live 32-bit version has problems with space allocation!!! in the 32-bit version... it is best to close and re-open Live when starting a new or re-opening an existing project...

[AlfieProducer]

I produced an entire dance/pop album in Reason 4.0, and it was freaking amazing! The learning curve is slow though, and it took me about 4 years to really master everything in Reason. But I'm glad I did it because it really made me find my sound. I have the highest praise for Reason.

Anyone who says it sounds thin or plastic or weak doesn't know how to use it right. If you layer A LOT and merge your beats, you will be very impressed. Plus, the whole routing system lets you be so creative! And I never had a single CPU problem or crash EVER. NO JOKE. Even with many of my records having 80+ tracks.

That being said, while my album was made entirely in Reason 4.0, I did export all the tracks for final mixing in Pro Tools. This combination really worked for me, and I encourage all skeptics to give Reason a real shot! If you want proof of what it can do, check out my album at www.soundcloud.com/parkermorgan. It is a truly fantastic dance/pop album that showcases the power of this amazing software! Imagine what version 6.5 could do!!

Thanks!

[drumzalicious]

Kind of OT but figured this thread was a good place to ask. I'm still using Reason 4 and I only use it in Rewire mode w/Pro Tools for the sounds. Are any of the newer sounds in Reason 5/6 THAT much better than Reason 4? I have quite a few external refills so I'm mainly asking about the Factory Sound Bank and Orkster. Thanks

[beyondat]

Originally Posted by drumzalicious

Kind of OT but figured this thread was a good place to ask. I'm still using Reason 4 and I only use it in Rewire mode w/Pro Tools for the sounds. Are any of the newer sounds in Reason 5/6 THAT much better than Reason 4? I have quite a few external refills so I'm mainly asking about the Factory Sound Bank and Orkster. Thanks

Try the demo for Reason 6. Ive been using it for a few months. May just be me but it sounds better. I stayed away from reason up until reason six because i hated how it sounds. Either it sounds better or im getting used to the ITB sound.

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[alkota]

The "Reason Sound" is code word for lack of mixing skills w/in Reason.

[KevWest]

yes they added 3,000 sounds to Reason 6. Plus each rack extension offers its own sounds if its an instrument but most of them are fx.

[C//AZM]

Originally Posted by alkota

The "Reason Sound" is code word for lack of mixing skills w/in Reason.

It's probably from using original presets. Anyone who knows their way around a synth and programming knows that presets are only a starting point and most of the times not even that. Take the time to learn a bit of basic synth programming and none of your tracks will sound like "Reason". Throw in an echobode and perhaps an Alligator or a pulsar and you have some deep texture and a complex sound.

[Halma]

Originally Posted by drumzalicious

Kind of OT but figured this thread was a good place to ask. I'm still using Reason 4 and I only use it in Rewire mode w/Pro Tools for the sounds. Are any of the newer sounds in Reason 5/6 THAT much better than Reason 4? I have quite a few external refills so I'm mainly asking about the Factory Sound Bank and Orkster. Thanks

The library is pretty big right now. But you will also get (and I´m not talking about the REs):

- The Echo
- The Pulverizer
- The Aligator
- The mighty, mighty KONG (check out those fx)
- 2 "limited" Line6 Amps
- Dr Octarex
- Neptune
- the ability to live-sample (damn I love this feature, fast and easy sampling)
- ID8 devices
- awesome timestretch algorithm (IMHO)

And of course the new Mixer (I know you said that you are rewiring into pro tools but take it as an extra fx-section like comp, gate, eq, master bus comp (which is really great))

Did I miss something?

[beyondat]

If you have to layer sounds and be a mix engineer in or order for music tools to not sound thin the there is a problem. I use reason 6 for 50% of my music and i rarely layer anything.

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[Logical Mind]

Originally Posted by beyondat

If you have to layer sounds and be a mix engineer in or order for music tools to not sound thin the there is a problem. I use reason 6 for 50% of my music and i rarely layer anything.

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Preference I guess. I use reason for 99% of my beatmaking. I pretty much always layer. I sample strictly so that may have something to do with it. I can't imagine not layering sounds at least most of the time.

[beyondat]

Originally Posted by Logical Mind

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Preference I guess. I use reason for 99% of my beatmaking. I pretty much always layer. I sample strictly so that may have something to do with it. I can't imagine not layering sounds at least most of the time.

The only layering i do is if I sample a kick from vinyl and I think it might benefit from an 808 underneath it for more bottom. I just try to find sounds that work.

[PettyCash]

Originally Posted by beyondat

If you have to layer sounds and be a mix engineer in or order for music tools to not sound thin the there is a problem. I use reason 6 for 50% of my music and i rarely layer anything.

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When people talk about things in Reason sounding thin or whatever, they most likely mean in comparison to sound patches found in keyboard workstations and nowadays certain virtual instruments and sound libraries.

Reason has decent sound patches itself, but other than the preset combinator stuff, I can see how some people would find Reason's library a bit bland sounding overall. It also doesn't help much that for years the built-in effects in Reason have been pretty much barebones, which is slowly starting to change and will be remedied even better with REs. IMO, Reason kind of pushes users into learning how to design their own sounds, and into learning how to take advantage of the complex routing capabilities available. That is how someone will get their monies worth out of this program. You have to understand how to mix and match different effect devices and create your own chains of effect combinations, and you need to have a good ear for layering up the sampled instruments and synths. If you don't have the time for all of that, and only want Reason for certain...reasons, you can always Rewire to take care of the rest else where.

[SushiConQueso]

you can, you have to use the individual sample load button and then highlight up to 16 samples and it will NN-Nano all of them for you

[C//AZM]

These REs are quite addictive! I'm using Polar, Buffre, the Env shaper, Pulsar,Uhbik, and Etch like crazy. It's opening my Pallette so much that I haven even considered buying any more refills. Just programming and experimenting and reading manuals, getting to know the gear is fun!

[Logical Mind]

I should have my upgrade tmrw. Excited to check out the Rack extensions.

[Raaphorst]

yes, been using Reason since version 1.0

some of the Rack Extensions are superb, and cheap to!

[bigdig]

Just got it. Upgraded from 3.0, and i am ADDICTED to this program. I am an mpc guy from forever ago, but reason just rules. Awesome stuff.

[PettyCash]

Originally Posted by bigdig

Just got it. Upgraded from 3.0, and i am ADDICTED to this program. I am an mpc guy from forever ago, but reason just rules. Awesome stuff.

You wont miss much from using Reason instead of your MPC I can tell you that much.

[C//AZM]

Use the MPC as a pad controller for Kong! feels better than playing drums on a keyboard.

[bigdig]

Originally Posted by C//AZM

Use the MPC as a pad controller for Kong! feels better than playing drums on a keyboard.

Bingo. Mpc acts as a master controller/sequencer. I sort of just use reason as a sound bank. So far so good.

[C//AZM]

Originally Posted by bigdig

Bingo. Mpc acts as a master controller/sequencer. I sort of just use reason as a sound bank. So far so good.

But don't forget the big advantage of SEEING what you're editing and the easiness (sp) of copy pasting sections from one area or track to another. In a Daw, it's as easy as click drag.
Don't get me wrong though, I know the love of the MPC. I used to love the workflow of the Mpc II and later, the MPC 3000 but once I got into a DAW (Studio Vision- 1992) I never wanted to go back to the MPC for sequencing... except drum beats.
For Reason, I used it as an instrument rack until just recently at 6.0/ 6.5. Now I sequence in Reason and do live vocals and instruments in PT.

[cbdrummer44]

Highly recommend the Renoun Reverb RE. That's about the best $30 I ever spent! Ridiculous how cheap it is vs how usable it is