I like both of them just for different reasons. I think the drums in Disco School are better than Soul School. I think Disco is an all around better refill but both are great.
I think I use "Thors Hoover" on everything too!
You know what is a really good refill...the Salazar Brothers Reggaeton Refill...That thing is nice! Great sounds. They have a Combi Synth called "Night Train" and it is BONKERS!! lol
Their piano refill was great too! Especially being able to dial in the hammer of the keys! Great.
You can't self contain the RE stuff? That sucks if so. I just haven't gotten around to downloading it so it's all new to me lol.
No you can't because RE are not samples they are actual devices. It would be like trying to take Thor into Reason 1. It just won't work because Reason 1 isn't built for it. Self containing is only for samples. It doesn't even save the refill it just saves the samples from the refill
You know what is a really good refill...the Salazar Brothers Reggaeton Refill...That thing is nice! Great sounds. They have a Combi Synth called "Night Train" and it is BONKERS!! lol
Their piano refill was great too! Especially being able to dial in the hammer of the keys! Great.
I love Reason pianos. I have the Salazar Brothers refill too but I never use it. I think I've used it twice.
No you can't because RE are not samples they are actual devices. It would be like trying to take Thor into Reason 1. It just won't work because Reason 1 isn't built for it. Self containing is only for samples. It doesn't even save the refill it just saves the samples from the refill
Well, that makes sense, it seems they think the ignition key is the portable solution or whatever, sucks.
I don't know if it was just having a "blonde" day but I had so much trouble getting this all going. I think it was part windows 7, part propellerhead. First, I had Reason 6 in both 32 and 64 bit. After I uninstalled Reason, the 32 bit stayed and it would not show up on my uninstallers. It wasn't causing issues, I just don't want confusion.
Second, my ignition key wouldn't recognize. After trying to find support, I just tried like 5 times and it worked.
I then verified Reason worked and DL'd some rack extension demos. Took me forever to realize you had to run it in internet verification mode...that kind of sucks.
I don't see why the full versions would be tied to your ignition key but the trials cannot be used by it. I have not bought any but that would obviously be a problem for me.
As for the rack extensions themselves, they seem cool, in my little bit of use. I don't see myself buying a bunch of them but that's really the point, expand where you need to.
If anyone doesn't understand why they don't use vst's, here is their video on Rack Extensions. It's a format that every Reason user should be confident that they will never go there.
I know the video is corny at times as well as self fulfilling but if you use Reason without any other program, this all makes a lot of sense to you.
Ive been a reason hater for many years and for various"reasons". In my quest to retire my asrx or perhaps just put it on light duty i have tried maschine, logic and as of last night the demo of reason 6. OMG reason has come a long way.! I love that unlike maschine u can easily record an audio track and something about reason 6 just feels much more inspiring than logic, it might be the gui. I can believe i am saying this about reason, i used to think it actually sounded inferior. I wish they would come up with a way to edit your sampled slices after you open them in kong or am i missing something?
Last version of reason I have used is 5. I love it for instrumental work. I tried the record demo and didn't like the feel. I prefer a more simple layout like pro tools and reaper. As for instrumental work I love logic for OS X and studio one for windows.
Well, that makes sense, it seems they think the ignition key is the portable solution or whatever, sucks.
I don't know if it was just having a "blonde" day but I had so much trouble getting this all going. I think it was part windows 7, part propellerhead. First, I had Reason 6 in both 32 and 64 bit. After I uninstalled Reason, the 32 bit stayed and it would not show up on my uninstallers. It wasn't causing issues, I just don't want confusion.
Second, my ignition key wouldn't recognize. After trying to find support, I just tried like 5 times and it worked.
I then verified Reason worked and DL'd some rack extension demos. Took me forever to realize you had to run it in internet verification mode...that kind of sucks.
I don't see why the full versions would be tied to your ignition key but the trials cannot be used by it. I have not bought any but that would obviously be a problem for me.
As for the rack extensions themselves, they seem cool, in my little bit of use. I don't see myself buying a bunch of them but that's really the point, expand where you need to.
I think internet verification was meant to be a portable solution not so much the ignition key which is just like every other ignition key out there. Personally I use Balance and it replaced my key. My key is somewhere around the house lol. Haven't touched it in months.
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It is generally accepted that a merge between Reason, Live and a Tape machine style DAW is the ideal balanced next gen DAW.
That is where i am at too lol. I am using Reason, Live and Sonar. It works great. Reason still is not there yet for its audio stuff. Its capable sure but its not keeping up with stuff that focuses on audio engineering like Pro Tools and Sonar. Its still very much so a creative application like Live and FL Studio just with some features to suggest it is heading more into the direction of Cubase Studio One and Logic which imo are right in the middle between creative and tape machine style DAWs.
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if reason could support vst's it would be without a doubt the best program out there for music production...
Vst really wouldn't make Reason the best its still missing a lot of stuff in the audio department. I love Reason
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Ive been a reason hater for many years and for various"reasons". In my quest to retire my asrx or perhaps just put it on light duty i have tried maschine, logic and as of last night the demo of reason 6. OMG reason has come a long way.! I love that unlike maschine u can easily record an audio track and something about reason 6 just feels much more inspiring than logic, it might be the gui. I can believe i am saying this about reason, i used to think it actually sounded inferior. I wish they would come up with a way to edit your sampled slices after you open them in kong or am i missing something?
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There is a sample editor in Reason where you can edit samples on a per sample basis.
There is a sample editor in Reason where you can edit samples on a per sample basis.
Yes , the edit sample button! Thank you KevWest, I might have to cop Reason now. ZZounds 4 payment option! Reason has audio tracks for my live bass or guitar and I don't have to use that recycle nonsense.
I have only spent about 3-4 hours with 6.5, way longer than it took me to get it going lol. I have to say, I like these Rack Extensions. I only have 4, two instruments and two effects because I actually like to learn my demo'd products and see if it's something I would use long term.
These things are pretty damn cool. I thought they would be more like a plug in but they are not. They seem to be as functional as all the Reason stuff. You can really get into some crazy routing with these that you wouldn't be able to easily do with a plug in. They also are very intuitive and "fit" with the way Reason works.
On the flip side, I thought many would be more like an added on synth or effect. They are definitely limited in what they do. But, that's welcome to me. With the piano one, you get a simple instrument but it's super tweakable in "real" ways. With Reason samples, it's more about picking the right one and doing minor tweaks. With that, you really get a crazy amount of tweakability. Same with the effects. Instead of getting a very flexible effects unit, you get a very specific one that only does one thing, but it does it much more effectively than what is in Reason.
Granted, I have not gotten into this but I do enjoy the idea. I hate to say that they are too expensive, they really are not, but given what Reason already offers, combined with Refills, I don't know that these are going to be worth the investment. I see myself investing in effects more than sounds for sure.
I will report back once I get deeper but it's also hard for me to really try to go full on with something I don't own so we will see.
So far, I am impressed with the concept and how it works in practice but I always enjoyed how affordable Reason was for what you really get.
Its still very much so a creative application like Live and FL Studio just with some features to suggest it is heading more into the direction of Cubase Studio One and Logic which imo are right in the middle between creative and tape machine style DAWs.
i like the way you worded this... a creative application like Live and FL Studio!!!
i look at Reason as 3 products... composing tool i.e. racks and sequencer... rack of synths to be used in another application... and a mixing tool... put together... you have Reason...
personally... i like Reason as a mixing tool... and not to fond of Reason as a composing tool or a rack of synths to be used in another application...
i think Reason handles taking stems from another app and importing them into Reason very well... the channel strips on the mixer is "pretty" straight forward... i.e. just come down the the channel strip... one person stated this in this thread... Reason devices/effects usually only have one function i.e. reverb, compression, etc... understanding how/when to use these effects are a plus when using Reason...
yes... Reason does have some short comings... i.e. group tracks... but for a "quick" mix/mastering... Reason with the included devices along with the Ozone Limiter (RE) makes completing a "quick" mix/mastering pretty simple and straight forward in Reason...
Does anyone know if its possible to import 16 wav files into Kong at once? I hate making kits 1 pad at a time. Thanks
You can load patches that are already mapped. But if you are creating a custom kit, you must do one at a time. Create a patch so you don't have to do that again.
The thing that got me into sequencing in reason was BLOCKS. I despise through composing. Ever since studio vision, and an MPC60 I've had sucess with pattern based sequencing. Now, because of blocks, I'm doing a lot of sequencing in Reason instead of using it as a rack only.
Props could still develop the Blocks editing, some of it is rather clunky especially when you're trying to do something really simple like copy/paste an entire block quickly; Copy paste or Option drag should be all it takes. AVID and Props would really do themselves a favor by enhancing the features in their sequencers. Sequencers have done things in a much more easy and elegant fashion than Reason and the less than useless seq pkg in PT. Plus there's no PLAY START button which seems awful to me.
I've been on Reason since Reason 3, and no 3rd party plug-ins has been the one thing that has bothered me all along. Can't even express how excited I am for this update!
Does anyone know if its possible to import 16 wav files into Kong at once? I hate making kits 1 pad at a time. Thanks
I know this has been answered above but no, you cannot load multiple sounds at once. You can save your drums and use them like "kits". For example, on an MPC, I had maybe 4 different drum kits that I made to easily scroll through. With the Kong, either create some or save your Kong settings on your favorite songs and weed out the bad drums you didn't use and replace them over time. You could have like 5 Kongs in your default template and delete the ones you are not using on that song, then any samples you need to replace, you can do that after you have your drums going. Just some advice for workflow.
Even though my default song (song template) is relatively simple, I don't know how many hours I have put in it over the years. I continue to change it as my style develops/changes. It's always better to have a good starting point with more than you need and delete things than starting with nothing, at least for me. I only am bringing all this up because I think it's very overlooked and very critical with a program like Reason where one device may take a bunch of routing, and thus time, just to get started.
Forgive me but I have one more Reason 6 question. I can't seem to be able to adjust the velocity so that it behaves like an mpc's full level on. I can hear it playing at full level but if I hit the key a little softer the volume drops considerably. I don't like any variation in my drum sounds. Would anyone here know how to do this?
if reason could support vst's it would be without a doubt the best program out there for music production...
No it wouldn't. Reason supporting VST's would only turn it into one big mess of a program. Creating their own format for supporting 3rd party plug-ins was the best way to go in giving people what they wanted, while still furthering their own best interests. The downside is that it's a young format, so we have to wait for a library full of plug-ins and VI's to grow.
In the long run, having their own dedicated format that they developed and have control over will allow for a more stable implementation of all this new 3rd party content. In essence, it's not much different than Pro Tools supporting RTAS, or Logic Pro supporting AU. The best case scenario is we see ports of already popular Waves, Softube, UAD2, Native Instruments, etc., stuff happen, and those who already own those stuff get the RE version at a discount or free (in the case of UAD2).
I love Reason for messing around with samples without pulling up a DAW. But I haven't used Reason to make a full track since Reason 3. At this point I'd say FL Studio has it beat...
I love Reason for messing around with samples without pulling up a DAW. But I haven't used Reason to make a full track since Reason 3. At this point I'd say FL Studio has it beat...
Why is that? Curious because I don't even see FL and Reason as being near the same.
Man, Reason 6 is a beast! I dont know if its the gui or what but no other software has inspired me this much. Everything you need seems to be right in front of you yet it doesnt looked cluttered. I hope propellerhead keeps it simple. I dont need a million daw features, i have pro tools for that.
Reason used to have FL beat on all fronts. But FL kept improving and Reason basically stayed the same.
1. It took them forever just to add a recording option.
2. They still haven't incorporated Recycle into Reason. WTF???
FL Studio still has shit for stock sounds but other than that It's 100% legit. And to be honest Reasons sound bank isn't that impressive accept for synths. Either way you're better off importing your own.
Ultimately, I think Reason might be better for EDM cuz of it's synths. But I don't know many people still making complete tracks using Reason standalone and not Rewired. I really wish Reason would've adapted with the times.
Now I only use Reason cuz I can preview samples faster than in a DAW/Kontakt
Reason used to have FL beat on all fronts. But FL kept improving and Reason basically stayed the same.
1. It took them forever just to add a recording option.
2. They still haven't incorporated Recycle into Reason. WTF???
FL Studio still has shit for stock sounds but other than that It's 100% legit. And to be honest Reasons sound bank isn't that impressive accept for synths. Either way you're better off importing your own.
Ultimately, I think Reason might be better for EDM cuz of it's synths. But I don't know many people still making complete tracks using Reason standalone and not Rewired. I really wish Reason would've adapted with the times.
Now I only use Reason cuz I can preview samples faster than in a DAW/Kontakt
The recording option has been added as you know.
There is no need to incorporate Recycle anymore , you can sample and chop within Reason.
The sampling is way more intuitive than Edison IMO.
With Reason 6 there is no need to rewire. I have been a Reason hater since it came out because of the whole recycle sampling nonsense and the fact that reason didn't sound like my Asrx. There are so many sounds in R6 plus with audio tracks I can still use my standalone VI's to record into R6.
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