Wise UPGRADE or NOT

[jrides]

Originally Posted by Mr.GrinchSD

Recording Rap HELP Would it be wise to upgrade

Right Now
c414b-uls.
avalon 737
distressor
mbox 3 pro

A friend of mine is selling a rosetta 200 should I grab it for my set up
Will it improve my conversion and hold up in the long run

I really like mine on vox especially. Tried the Apollo out and returned it. About to sell it and get the 8 ch version. I hope that i do not miss the additional features too much. Have a bit of outboard gear and was doing more patching than I wanted to. At 96 - 192k I think you will be able to use it as long as you want to.

[PopularDemand]

Originally Posted by Mr.GrinchSD

Recording Rap HELP Would it be wise to upgrade

Right Now
c414b-uls.
avalon 737
distressor
mbox 3 pro

A friend of mine is selling a rosetta 200 should I grab it for my set up
Will it improve my conversion and hold up in the long run

IMHO, don't do it. It's a lateral move that will not improve your conversion and more than likely will cause issues with pro tools that are not there with the integrated avid hardware. The mbox pro 3 has very good conversion.

[jeremycox]

Originally Posted by PopularDemand

IMHO, don't do it. It's a lateral move that will not improve your conversion and more than likely will cause issues with pro tools that are not there with the integrated avid hardware. The mbox pro 3 has very good conversion.

woah idk, I've only used an mbox3 a few times and I don't own one... but i've always been VERY impressed with the rosetta conversion. But whats your monitoring setup? Room treatment?

[jrides]

Originally Posted by PopularDemand

IMHO, don't do it. It's a lateral move that will not improve your conversion and more than likely will cause issues with pro tools that are not there with the integrated avid hardware. The mbox pro 3 has very good conversion.

That is an interesting take on the situation. I just assumed he would using WITH the MBox via digital i/o or somethng, not replace it entirely.

Pop D has a good argument, if you are replacing one with the other. I use mine as a standalone fed one of a couple of soundcards via digital i/o. I retain driver stability and compatibility. Using an Apogee FW interface with PT, is something I can not speak on.

It sounds good though... The soft limiting on drums when finsessed correctly....man It usually gets chosen over my other conversion options for that purpose alone.

[PopularDemand]

Originally Posted by jeremycox

woah idk, I've only used an mbox3 a few times and I don't own one... but i've always been VERY impressed with the rosetta conversion. But whats your monitoring setup? Room treatment?

Mbox 3 Pro has better converters than mbox 3. I use it on the road. I used to have a rosetta 800 years ago. It's a lateral move to me.

My current room is NS10's, Barefoot MM27's, Griffin G1.5 mains w LFE 15 sub in a Francis Manzella designed room.

[Mr.GrinchSD]

Thanks for the input I think Im gonna just buy it and if i don't think its worth It i can always re sell it.

And ya I'm not going to replace the mbox I'm gonna run the rosetta through it

[jrides]

@Pop D

I have read that the 200 (192k) has better conversion than the 800, supported by the fact that it came on the market a bit later. My understanding it that it has to do with the filtering circuit, analog stages, and the chips. I don't have the 800 yet, but when I get it, I will crack it open to confirm at least the chips. Hopefully its not a step too far backwards... or I will be quite salty. LOL

[PopularDemand]

Originally Posted by Mr.GrinchSD

And ya I'm not going to replace the mbox I'm gonna run the rosetta through it

One issue you will have to deal with is that latest version of Pro Tools does not have a 3rd party converter offset box. Avid is diabolical with these things. So the added converter latency when using the rosetta will be a problem.

Record Offset for 3rd Party Hardware? WTF!!

Originally Posted by jrides

@Pop D

I have read that the 200 (192k) has better conversion than the 800, supported by the fact that it came on the market a bit later. My understanding it that it has to do with the filtering circuit, analog stages, and the chips. I don't have the 800 yet, but when I get it, I will crack it open to confirm at least the chips. Hopefully its not a step too far backwards... or I will be quite salty. LOL

That's possible. The mbox 3 Pro is also derived from newest converter tech used in new Avid I/O's which are excellent. At this level it's all a matter of taste. I just stated if it was me I would be happy with mbox 3 Pro. I would spend the $ on something else especially given that Avid is throwing up road blocks for 3rd party integration.

[CharlesEdward]

Originally Posted by jrides

I really like mine on vox especially. Tried the Apollo out and returned it. About to sell it and get the 8 ch version. I hope that i do not miss the additional features too much. Have a bit of outboard gear and was doing more patching than I wanted to. At 96 - 192k I think you will be able to use it as long as you want to.

Dam you returned the apollo. Whys that?

[jrides]

I agree that many converters are better than before. I have heard good things about recent Avid boxes

[Mr.GrinchSD]

So are yo saying It will not work with pro tool 10

[eldorado_p]

Originally Posted by jrides

I really like mine on vox especially. Tried the Apollo out and returned it. About to sell it and get the 8 ch version. I hope that i do not miss the additional features too much. Have a bit of outboard gear and was doing more patching than I wanted to. At 96 - 192k I think you will be able to use it as long as you want to.

What didn't you like about the Apollo? I'm thinking about getting one. I have a 003r now.

Sorry about the thread hijack lol

[miscend]

There is an MBOX 3 vs Apogee & others converters comparison on the Avid website. Make you sure you have a look at that first. The MBOX 3 pro is excellent sound quality wise. Why do you feel its stopping you from making dope beats?

[jrides]

Originally Posted by eldorado_p

What didn't you like about the Apollo? I'm thinking about getting one. I have a 003r now.

Sorry about the thread hijack lol

If you want/need the plugs, get it. It is not bad and wont hold you back. As Pop D suggests about the MBox 3 pro the converters are pretty good these days after a certain point. A matter of taste.
I didn't find them to be an upgrade at all. In fact I found myself using more plugs to compensate for the difference. Especially on drums I found myself wanting to retrack with the Rosetta 200. I like how R200 handles low/ mids and the highest highs.

Keep in mind I can live without the UA plugs. If you can't you will still be able to mix a good record on the Apollo. Might be a step up from the Digi box.

[eldorado_p]

Originally Posted by jrides

If you want/need the plugs, get it. It is not bad and wont hold you back. As Pop D suggests about the MBox 3 pro the converters are pretty good these days after a certain point. A matter of taste.
I didn't find them to be an upgrade at all. In fact I found myself using more plugs to compensate for the difference. Especially on drums I found myself wanting to retrack with the Rosetta 200. I like how R200 handles low/ mids and the highest highs.

Keep in mind I can live without the UA plugs. If you can't you will still be able to mix a good record on the Apollo. Might be a step up from the Digi box.

Cool thx for the input

[jeremycox]

Shit i didn't realize they updated the mbox again.

[jrides]

Originally Posted by jeremycox

Shit i didn't realize they updated the mbox again.

Yeah this is like the 3rd or 4th time I saw a good word on the Mbox 3 Pro, on and offline. I hear the 192 joint by Avid was quite decent as well.

[jeremycox]

Originally Posted by jrides

Yeah this is like the 3rd or 4th time I saw a good word on the Mbox 3 Pro, on and offline. I hear the 192 joint by Avid was quite decent as well.

It's been a few years since I gave avid any of my money. Their service was always awful when I worked with them.

[Mr.GrinchSD]

For real Avid costumer service is not good i tried to get ahold of them once NOT HAPPENING. Any way I got the rosetta not really sure how much my sound improved BUT WHATEVER I got converters covered now. And I wanna do analog mixing pretty soon and thats probably not the best to do with the mbox alone YOU FEEL ME!!!

[jeremycox]

Originally Posted by Mr.GrinchSD

For real Avid costumer service is not good i tried to get ahold of them once NOT HAPPENING. Any way I got the rosetta not really sure how much my sound improved BUT WHATEVER I got converters covered now. And I wanna do analog mixing pretty soon and thats probably not the best to do with the mbox alone YOU FEEL ME!!!

Cool, the Rosetta is a great piece of gear