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Matching a Beat to an acapella

What are the best methods, tips, tricks that you use to match a beat to an acapella? I am using pro tools 9 LE
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get the original track get the tempo place it your daw to the metronome and then place the accapella over it then remove the original track
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That will distort the vocals placing it to a different tempo, i need the BEAT to match the bpm of the voice, without knowing the BPM of the voice. I usually tap tempo to the acapella to get a general idea and play from there, but i want to know how you guys go about this.
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What he's saying is: get the original track, which the acapella was taken from, find out the bpm of that. Make your session the identical bpm of that original track, and put the acapella in that session. If you can't do that, then tap tempo is the best way to do it.
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Ahh I see, the problem is I only have the vocals and no original track, this is all original vocal not commercial that i can look up.
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Ahh I see, the problem is I only have the vocals and no original track, this is all original vocal not commercial that i can look up.
Then ask whoever recorded it what tempo they recorded it to?

And if they didn't do it to click/backing track...good luck getting it in time/tune!
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Then ask whoever recorded it what tempo they recorded it to?

And if they didn't do it to click/backing track...good luck getting it in time/tune!
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As I said I don't have the original tempo does anyone have any productive opinions?
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As I said I don't have the original tempo does anyone have any productive opinions?
I'm pretty sure all the responses so far have been productive...

... your only option now is to count the tempo of the bars by yourself and wing it until you get it right. Or you can try a bpm counting plug in, but 95% sure it won't work.
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That will distort the vocals placing it to a different tempo, i need the BEAT to match the bpm of the voice, without knowing the BPM of the voice. I usually tap tempo to the acapella to get a general idea and play from there, but i want to know how you guys go about this.
Tap tempo is it for acapellas if you don't know the tempo. You may have to cut a slide a piece here or there. Just because you have the correct tempo match does not mean it will fall in correctly with the groove throughout unless you made the music specifically to go with the vocals.

Once you find the general tempo you can change the tempo of the acapella to any bpm you want without distortion/artifacts. It's done everyday, all day by sample producers, for remixes, and by DJs. Every daw has elastic audio/time stretching functions for this. I have gone as far as 20 bpm up or down with elastic audio/x-form in pro tools without artifacts.
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Simple.
Make a simple kick and snare beat pattern real quick, quantize and play with the tempo until it grooves right and loops perfectly at 8-16 bars. Then check the next 8-16 and so on.
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Simple.
Make a simple kick and snare beat pattern real quick, quantize and play with the tempo until it grooves right and loops perfectly at 8-16 bars. Then check the next 8-16 and so on.
It's only that simple IF the original a cappella maintained a steady tempo that didn't fluctuate at all, which is definitely not always the case.
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It's only that simple IF the original a cappella maintained a steady tempo that didn't fluctuate at all, which is definitely not always the case.
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It's only that simple IF the original a cappella maintained a steady tempo that didn't fluctuate at all, which is definitely not always the case.
And anything can be complex as you want to make it. I think the other helpful members have mentioned timestretch and tap tempo may be needed.
I'm sorry, I missed your helpful post to the OP somewhere in between you countering my post.
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What i do:
A) acacpellas sometimes throw you off when you tap to it if you're out of practice playing an instrument or picking up on rhythms quickly, but i always tap first
B) 4 to the floor kick drum is quicker than making a whole drum loop w/ kicks and snares... you're not trying to make a scratch demo, just get the BPM right? just use 4 kicks on every beat and play w/ their timing til it sounds right
C) click track it. obviously C and B can be reversed but i have a personal hatred for click tracks, they dont sound good and i guess im being a bit of a baby about it so i'll go call the whaaambulance, but this is what i'd do last.

also - loop up a section in your daw, its easier to try and find a 4 bar or a 2 bar passage unless the vocals are really sparse.

im going to assume its rap since you're in the rap forum, it shouldnt take you too long to do any of the above.
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And anything can be complex as you want to make it. I think the other helpful members have mentioned timestretch and tap tempo may be needed.
I'm sorry, I missed your helpful post to the OP somewhere in between you countering my post.
Wow man are you sensitive? I was just stating a fact, not debating you. Your post kinda made it seem like there's a "simple" solution, cut and dried. So I think it is WAS helpful to the OP to let him know that's not always the case. Otherwise he might be trying to find a "perfect" steady tempo in the acappella that may not exist.
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What i do:
A) acacpellas sometimes throw you off when you tap to it if you're out of practice playing an instrument or picking up on rhythms quickly, but i always tap first
B) 4 to the floor kick drum is quicker than making a whole drum loop w/ kicks and snares... you're not trying to make a scratch demo, just get the BPM right? just use 4 kicks on every beat and play w/ their timing til it sounds right
C) click track it. obviously C and B can be reversed but i have a personal hatred for click tracks, they dont sound good and i guess im being a bit of a baby about it so i'll go call the whaaambulance, but this is what i'd do last.

also - loop up a section in your daw, its easier to try and find a 4 bar or a 2 bar passage unless the vocals are really sparse.

im going to assume its rap since you're in the rap forum, it shouldnt take you too long to do any of the above.
Thanks for the info thats a good idea using a 4 on the floor and then go from there, it is actually an R&B vocal with some runs and bridges thats why it was a bit harder to find this time, I wish it was rap i would have found it in 2 bars.
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Best thing is to tap the tempo and
Then try making some rough drums real quick to get an estimation.. Or you can make a drum pattern, and lay it over the vocals and mess with the pitch till its correct.

Also if ur using a decent DAW, u can stretch ur vocals without affecting its quality.
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If you DJ and you're at least decent, Get a vinyl instrumental of something simple that's close to the same tempo. Play the accapella and pitch the record/instrumental by hand with it. Record it. This will give u the ballpark. If you're in protools, use elastic audio to fix/fine tune the instrumental till it's perfect with the vocals, then extract the tempo.
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As someone who basically does this everyday with vinyl accapella's to verify what a rapper may sound like when I am making a beat, I got really good at using my ears. I just translate that into software. Use your ears, if the beat is too fast, slow it down a bit, if it's too slow, speed it up. It's much more tedious in software but it works.

Also, you can chop up the accapella into pieces to make it fit better if you are really close to being on but not quite there. I do that all the time. Chop each section up into 4 bars or whatever I need. It also helps to make it flow better, even if you know the exact BPM, you can move things slightly to make it fit your instrumental better.

If all else fails, I find melodine often is dead on.
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if you can find a loop in the vocal that loops well and your DAW can tell you how many samples you have selected, you can use Music Math 4 to tell you the bpm for the amount of samples at a given sample rate and a given bar beat length.
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