Hello mpc 5000,goodbye Maschine!

[Goa-Dubs]

Its a good chunky workstation.Why dont you chop your pieces in a software programme,stick then all in a folder and get the 5k to instantly make a programme to pads(if you chop a lot that is).Sequencing on the 4k and 5k has to be the most interesting(it is for me folks) due to the in yer face feel.Its a great sequencer btw.Very different from sequencing in the puter for me.In fact i dont feel anything bashing pads or keys with the puter but i can work with existing material there.Every studio should have some out board.

[beyondat]

Originally Posted by joe.EMPIRE

Are either of you guys in Australia lol? It's a whole different ball game in this country in terms of pricing. EBay is pretty much going to get it to me for a minimum of $1600, may aswell pay extra $600 for brand new product.

So you ended up selling it? Was it too hard to function?

Ok, I didn't know you were going to purchase a new one and I'm not in Australia. It wasn't hard to function I just thought chop shop was going to be a little different. The main thing is that you can select the wav with the pad while you edit the sample. I'm so used to that on the asr-x.I could have spent more time with it but my main goal was to be completely ITB and since the 5000 doesn't have any good "instrument" sounds I would end up using vst's with it anyway, that why I sold it.

[Fireworks]

Originally Posted by Jahrome

There you have it. If everything is sounding thin or sterile, look no further than your Maudio interface. The only thing you are saying in this thread is that you like the sound of the MPC 2000XLs AD/DA conversion.

Your sound card was reviewed as being excellent in sound quality for the price 7 years ago.

Bullshit. Nothing else sounded thin and sterile on my old laptop except maschine and reason. FL didnt suffer from thin on my old laptop

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[ILL]

Would be really awesome to hear an audio demo of that.

[eddie.machete]

Originally Posted by beyondat

Sorry, I didn't know there were such sensitive people on GS! Did I talk bad about your little maschiney?

You totally got that guy wrong. Grow up.

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[joe.EMPIRE]

Originally Posted by beyondat

Ok, I didn't know you were going to purchase a new one and I'm not in Australia. It wasn't hard to function I just thought chop shop was going to be a little different. The main thing is that you can select the wav with the pad while you edit the sample. I'm so used to that on the asr-x.I could have spent more time with it but my main goal was to be completely ITB and since the 5000 doesn't have any good "instrument" sounds I would end up using vst's with it anyway, that why I sold it.

Yeah, anything imported to this country is always going to have the premium attached. I'm going for brand new because I'm just like that when buying expensive things, I know I'm gonna have it for years.

It's hard being completely ITB today. There are heaps of third party applications that can be used for chopping directly to the MPC. I mean, I'm on Ableton. I warp everything as good as I can before sampling, it just makes timing and mixing so much more easier.

[Everett Paul]

It always suprises me with these threads that few people consider the kinda 'third way' with MPCs - that of using the MPC as a sequencer but using it to hit a computer running a software sampler. I mean if you put the 'sound' issue aside for a second, if you appreciate the style of sequencing and composition that the MPC provides, those cool features like note repeat and erase and the tight midi sequencer, it's possible to have your cake and eat it by using the sequencer but driving your software sampler of choice.

I don't currently use this setup, but I did play around briefly with MPC5000 driving a standalone Kontakt 4/5, and it's a pretty interesting setup in that you can avoid staring at a DAW and the habits it forces into your music, but you can still have the advantages of being able to load many instruments into memory quickly, and have access to the kind of computer based sample chopping that can be much more laborious on the MPC itself.

I know it's not for everyone but I do think it's an option that people need to consider more, it gives you the 'performance' aspect of using the MPC but without the shockingly shit sampler that is inside the MPC5000/2500.

In essence I guess it's a 'roll your own' MPC Renaissance instead of paying all over again for a new controller and being trapped in the MPC software that noone knows yet whether or not it will be good or reliable.

I do agree though, that if you're after that hardware sampler sound you simply cannot get it out of software samplers. Whatever that thing is that most hardware samplers do with sound, I'm yet to find any kind of emulation in a software sampler or a plugin that can mimic it. Even Kontakt in it's HQ interpolation modes, well yeah it sounds pristine and smooth and technically 'correct', but like all software samplers, it also sounds like ass.

First world problems I guess....!

Truth is, all the people who *could* have made the next generation MPC style hardware walked away from these type of boxes just at the point it was becoming possible to make the beast to end all MPC wars. Roland exited the MV business, Numarkai exited the hardware MPC business, Dave Smith/Roger Linn focused on hipster bassline synths instead of sampling, Korg/Yamaha/Kurz have their focus firmly on the wedding&barmitzvah&funeral keyboard player with realistic pianos and organs and that pungent eggy odour of ponytails and rolled up suit sleeves demoing awful workstations. But technically speaking, all the affordable components exist in today's world to build an actual hardware MPC-style box that has all the ram you need, the nice high resolution display, the quality knobs/faders/pads, fast internal drives, usb2/3, SD, Compact flash, powerful ARM-chip internal fx/dsp. Basically there is a machine out there that was never made, and now that people like Akai are targeting the consumer market of wannabe laptop jockey DJs and Drake impersonators their focus is entirely on cheap controllers for macbooks and the MPC as you knew it is now DEAD.

[alkota]

Yawn... I've heard dope beats from both.

[Scern]

Originally Posted by Evaw Evisserppo

It always suprises me with these threads that few people consider the kinda 'third way' with MPCs - that of using the MPC as a sequencer but using it to hit a computer running a software sampler. I mean if you put the 'sound' issue aside for a second, if you appreciate the style of sequencing and composition that the MPC provides, those cool features like note repeat and erase and the tight midi sequencer, it's possible to have your cake and eat it by using the sequencer but driving your software sampler of choice.

I don't currently use this setup, but I did play around briefly with MPC5000 driving a standalone Kontakt 4/5, and it's a pretty interesting setup in that you can avoid staring at a DAW and the habits it forces into your music, but you can still have the advantages of being able to load many instruments into memory quickly, and have access to the kind of computer based sample chopping that can be much more laborious on the MPC itself.

I know it's not for everyone but I do think it's an option that people need to consider more, it gives you the 'performance' aspect of using the MPC but without the shockingly shit sampler that is inside the MPC5000/2500.

In essence I guess it's a 'roll your own' MPC Renaissance instead of paying all over again for a new controller and being trapped in the MPC software that noone knows yet whether or not it will be good or reliable.

I do agree though, that if you're after that hardware sampler sound you simply cannot get it out of software samplers. Whatever that thing is that most hardware samplers do with sound, I'm yet to find any kind of emulation in a software sampler or a plugin that can mimic it. Even Kontakt in it's HQ interpolation modes, well yeah it sounds pristine and smooth and technically 'correct', but like all software samplers, it also sounds like ass.

First world problems I guess....!

Truth is, all the people who *could* have made the next generation MPC style hardware walked away from these type of boxes just at the point it was becoming possible to make the beast to end all MPC wars. Roland exited the MV business, Numarkai exited the hardware MPC business, Dave Smith/Roger Linn focused on hipster bassline synths instead of sampling, Korg/Yamaha/Kurz have their focus firmly on the wedding&barmitzvah&funeral keyboard player with realistic pianos and organs and that pungent eggy odour of ponytails and rolled up suit sleeves demoing awful workstations. But technically speaking, all the affordable components exist in today's world to build an actual hardware MPC-style box that has all the ram you need, the nice high resolution display, the quality knobs/faders/pads, fast internal drives, usb2/3, SD, Compact flash, powerful ARM-chip internal fx/dsp. Basically there is a machine out there that was never made, and now that people like Akai are targeting the consumer market of wannabe laptop jockey DJs and Drake impersonators their focus is entirely on cheap controllers for macbooks and the MPC as you knew it is now DEAD.

They never really got to 24 bit sampling/recording outside of the akai samplers. 24bit/48k sampling and a 16-24 track recorder with the same would have replaced a lot of DAWs, especially if the recorded files were uncompressed. We'd probably have some AES card options by now too if the main manufacturers hadn't all bailed. Those simple things probably would have kept me from using any computer for music for the last few years...

[Formant]

Originally Posted by Scern

They never really got to 24 bit sampling recording outside of the akai samplers. 24bit/48k sampling and a 16-24 track recorder with the same would have replaced a lot of DAWs, especially if the recorded files were uncompressed. We'd probably have some AES card options by now too if the main manufacturers hadn't all bailed. Those simple things probably would have kept me from using any computer for music for the last few years...

mpc4k
z4
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all @24/96


People wanted software since hardware is expensive, thus the product died.

[Scern]

"mpc4k
z4
z8
all @24/96"


That's why I said "outside of the akai samplers"

[Formant]

Originally Posted by Scern

"mpc4k
z4
z8
all @24/96"


That's why I said "outside of the akai samplers"

i got sentimental and confirmed, no one cares these days haha

"as long as you make music" (end of any hiphop gear related discussion).


Like mentioned already on this page...
i swapped my favorite samplers for exs24, mpc sequencer does the rest.
Its not THE way, but its one of many i can make music intuitively and still not comprimising my workflow. The thing that made the mpc great, simplicity.

[Johntron512]

Just got a used Maschine AND Komplete Ultimate for $575. Stoked to start playing... after installing software and samples for a few hours

[skira]

Wow, starting July 1 in the USA Maschine's price dropped everywhere to $400, and the Mikro to $250.

[Fireworks]

Shaaaa shaaa .

[JoRillo]

Originally Posted by Johntron512

Just got a used Maschine AND Komplete Ultimate for $575. Stoked to start playing... after installing software and samples for a few hours

Where from?

[eddie.machete]

Dunno where he got the bundle, but maschine just went on sale in the US. Sweetwater has it for 400 dollars. Sold out last night. Always restocking tho. Folks sayin theres a new one coming out hence the drop

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[Johntron512]

Originally Posted by JoRillo

Where from?

Was a local craigslister, used

[The Aristocrat]

Originally Posted by Johntron512

Was a local craigslister, used

oh, because I was shocked.

As far as I knew Komplete Ultimate alone cost about $1000 USD. I wonder if Komplete 9 will be coming out soon. As far as I know NI only released about 3 or so vsts since Komplete 8. That new cinematic piano they have on their site is one of them.

[Johntron512]

Originally Posted by The Aristocrat

oh, because I was shocked.

As far as I knew Komplete Ultimate alone cost about $1000 USD. I wonder if Komplete 9 will be coming out soon. As far as I know NI only released about 3 or so vsts since Komplete 8. That new cinematic piano they have on their site is one of them.

My guess would be that they are lowering the price to make buying MPC Studio a harder a decision (I was going to wait for it, until this craigslister gave me this unbelievable deal). They can probably afford to drop the price and still make good money, especially when you consider most buyers will eventually buy additional NI software or samples.

Dropping the price also means the used ones on ebay will drop $50-$150 as well. At under $300 used, and $400 new, people will be snatching them up NOW, making MPC Studio have to fight that much harder to gain traction.

A new Maschine hardware release is possible, but is it really necessary? Maybe a cosmetic update? They could integrate a sound card in it, but eh... Attach a keyboard to it, nah...

I'd rather they keep upgrading the software, even if it means making it more and more of a DAW, and/or paying for version 2.0 when it comes out.

[skira]

Originally Posted by Johntron512

My guess would be that they are lowering the price to make buying MPC Studio a harder a decision

But the deal is only for a few weeks, right? Can't expect to make it a difficult decision for long. More likely they're coming out with higher-end hardware in the fall.

[The Aristocrat]

Originally Posted by Johntron512

My guess would be that they are lowering the price to make buying MPC Studio a harder a decision (I was going to wait for it, until this craigslister gave me this unbelievable deal). They can probably afford to drop the price and still make good money, especially when you consider most buyers will eventually buy additional NI software or samples.

Dropping the price also means the used ones on ebay will drop $50-$150 as well. At under $300 used, and $400 new, people will be snatching them up NOW, making MPC Studio have to fight that much harder to gain traction.

A new Maschine hardware release is possible, but is it really necessary? Maybe a cosmetic update? They could integrate a sound card in it, but eh... Attach a keyboard to it, nah...

I'd rather they keep upgrading the software, even if it means making it more and more of a DAW, and/or paying for version 2.0 when it comes out.

that makes sense and come to think of it NI has been relatively quick with their updates as to what the maschine was lacking,

[ILL]

I think the Maschine hardware is really excellent.

[PJBEATZ]

I have a MPC 2500 + Saffire Pro 40 +Pro Tools 10. I am using the 1/4 balanced outputs going into the interface. However I cant get any output signal into pro tools at all. Any help would be appreciated.

[Nealatosis]

As far as Drums go, I see so many sound libraries these days whey the sampled every thing through the MPC and sp1200. I don't see any problem just buying these and then staying itb.

[Thoroughtheexec]

4 those of u who says maschine sounds bad, or mpc sounds better- checkout the homie flux's YouTube vid

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=m...&v=PUKks41yiss

[padillac]

Originally Posted by beyondat

Yeah, I gave maschine a good try for about 8 months and I was never able to feel like I was one with the "machine" ,no pun intended

that's not a pun