Innerclock Systems Sync Gen with MPC 3000

[Dor]

What's up?

After years of fussing with syncing my MPC's with various DAWs, I discovered the Innerclock Systems units while browsing GS. I decided to order the Sync Gen II Pro & can say I am very pleased with the sync and workflow. I now have my MPC 5k, 3k & SP-1200 in tight sync lock with Live, Logic & PT.

I made a track the other day using a kick from the 3k, snare from the SP & hats from the 5k (just to test things out) and everything was in time with all units using their internal sequencers.

Loving it!

I made a quick video the morning right after unpacking showing the basic workflow of how it locks up the 3k & Live.



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[SEED78]

gonna have a proper look intothis later - lot of people have issues syncing - this sounds great!

[eleckain]

Thx for sharing this, does the box send song position pointers?

EK

[deuc647]

Dor, does the 3K sample while the sequencer is playing?

[MIDIchlorian]

Originally Posted by deuc647

Dor, does the 3K sample while the sequencer is playing?

No your can not sample while your sequence is playing on the Mpc3000.
You can on the 5000 though

Dor thanks for the video. That is like a must have for MPC without direct recording.
Nice beat too

[deuc647]

Yeah i figured that, i have a 2500 and it does it too, but some things about the 2500 make me wanna look elsewhere.

[Dor]

Originally Posted by MIDIchlorian

Dor thanks for the video. That is like a must have for MPC without direct recording.
Nice beat too

Thanks man, was just improvising for the video. Next time i'll have to add another camera showing me playing the notes, would be more interesting!

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[Billy Nojokes]

yooooo im thinkin this might be very useful if im wrapping my head around this correctly.. so were you sequencing with the mp and the daw together ? .... if this does what im thinkin i can do all my drums/samples with the mp and still be able to use softsynths and wutever with the daw while they loop in perfect unison ???? ..

[digiman]

Originally Posted by MIDIchlorian

No your can not sample while your sequence is playing on the Mpc3000.
You can on the 5000 though

Dor thanks for the video. That is like a must have for MPC without direct recording.
Nice beat too

Do you think this is needed for sync for a 5000 or is the clock on the 5000 better than the 3000 so it's a more sample accurate sync?

[Charlie-O]

Originally Posted by Billy Nojokes

yooooo im thinkin this might be very useful if im wrapping my head around this correctly.. so were you sequencing with the mp and the daw together ? .... if this does what im thinkin i can do all my drums/samples with the mp and still be able to use softsynths and wutever with the daw while they loop in perfect unison ???? ..

Same question.

[digiman]

Originally Posted by Dor

What's up?

After years of fussing with syncing my MPC's with various DAWs, I discovered the Innerclock Systems units while browsing GS. I decided to order the Sync Gen II Pro & can say I am very pleased with the sync and workflow. I now have my MPC 5k, 3k & SP-1200 in tight sync lock with Live, Logic & PT.

I made a track the other day using a kick from the 3k, snare from the SP & hats from the 5k (just to test things out) and everything was in time with all units using their internal sequencers.

Loving it!

I made a quick video the morning right after unpacking showing the basic workflow of how it locks up the 3k & Live.



D

Can you explain how you have the settings configured on the MPC, in Logic, and within the software of the box? Actually, another video showing the setup would be cool

Also, what kind of issues were you experience before. I'm using Cubase and I have my MPC5000 synced to Cubase. I'm not sure how accurate it is, but I don't think I notice any issues in timing. I'm just curious if this box improved your sync timing or if you were having problems just getting things to sync in general.

Anything you could show would be appreciated as this has sparked quite a bit of interest. Also is the retail price for the box almost $700? Whew....

[Billy Nojokes]

yea i serched the website for the interlocking systems sync gen pro .... seems like its an Australian company did you order from them? ..seems to be a lot of dough more money then i figued it would b ...how much did you scoop it up for ? 700? ...kinda steep

[HazeBros]

actually pretty cheap after years of sync pain

[xanax]

here is a free alternative:
Sync Unit AC

i've tried this with a 909 but should work with the 3K as it supports FSK sync (manual p.205) please report

[Fireworks]

Originally Posted by Dor

What's up?

After years of fussing with syncing my MPC's with various DAWs, I discovered the Innerclock Systems units while browsing GS. I decided to order the Sync Gen II Pro & can say I am very pleased with the sync and workflow. I now have my MPC 5k, 3k & SP-1200 in tight sync lock with Live, Logic & PT.

I made a track the other day using a kick from the 3k, snare from the SP & hats from the 5k (just to test things out) and everything was in time with all units using their internal sequencers.

Loving it!

I made a quick video the morning right after unpacking showing the basic workflow of how it locks up the 3k & Live.



D

The interface for that software looks like a nightmare, can't believe after 15-20 years tracking out is still a pain. I do this for a hobby, so I just two track things. But I do want to track out properly one day and aim scared to get a better interface because of wasting money. Lol

[digiman]

Originally Posted by xanax

here is a free alternative:
Sync Unit AC

i've tried this with a 909 but should work with the 3K as it supports FSK sync (manual p.205) please report

This would have been perfect, but the MPC doesn't sync via FSK. Dagnamit!

[xanax]

Originally Posted by digiman

This would have been perfect, but the MPC doesn't sync via FSK. Dagnamit!

according to the manual it does:

MPC 3K Manual

check page 204-205

[digiman]

Originally Posted by xanax

according to the manual it does:

MPC 3K Manual

check page 204-205

I meant the MPC5000

[new bee]

your mpc5000 doesnt need a sync box? its a sync monster....well, if the mpc4k is anything 2 go by

[HazeBros]

Originally Posted by new bee

your mpc5000 doesnt need a sync box? its a sync monster....well, if the mpc4k is anything 2 go by

I think they both obviously do need it. also 3k and 60 can do fsk and sync to pulses which are better than midi to my ear.

[xanax]

it's actually kind of a mystery to me why fsk has been abandoned by all major hardware/software manufacturers, in appearance tape sync is a thing of the past but with the advent of DAW's and midi jitter/latency i'm sure glad to have still have it at my disposal, here's a nice blog about it:

Sync or Swim?

[Dor]

Originally Posted by Billy Nojokes

yooooo im thinkin this might be very useful if im wrapping my head around this correctly.. so were you sequencing with the mp and the daw together ? .... if this does what im thinkin i can do all my drums/samples with the mp and still be able to use softsynths and wutever with the daw while they loop in perfect unison ???? ..

Correct, that is exactly what I'm doing in the video.

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[Dor]

Originally Posted by Fireworks

The interface for that software looks like a nightmare, ...

Yes, luckily I haven't had to mess with the software yet. Apparently it offers some pretty cool features once you get your head around it.

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[Dor]

Originally Posted by digiman

Can you explain how you have the settings configured on the MPC, in Logic, and within the software of the box? Actually, another video showing the setup would be cool

Also, what kind of issues were you experience before. I'm using Cubase and I have my MPC5000 synced to Cubase. I'm not sure how accurate it is, but I don't think I notice any issues in timing. I'm just curious if this box improved your sync timing or if you were having problems just getting things to sync in general.

Anything you could show would be appreciated as this has sparked quite a bit of interest. Also is the retail price for the box almost $700? Whew....

Cool, I basically have a track in my DAW with the software plug on it outputting the sync to a stereo pair feeding the sync box. All external devices are slaved to midi coming out of the innerclock box.

I always wanted a solution that would let me hit play on the keyboard and have everything locked up. None of that 1 bar offset stuff. Was too messy for me & my lack of patience. Things sound good to me now & I get to use all of my external gear with less hassle. That's all that matters to me.

I ordered from the company website and it shipped in a week or two (held in customs for a few days). I grabbed the flag ship unit so it ended up costing me just over a stack after shipping.

There are a few videos on youtube showing the innerclock boxes, I'll try to put something together in the next week or so, I need to brush up on my FCP skills. haha.

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[digiman]

Originally Posted by Dor

Cool, I basically have a track in my DAW with the software plug on it outputting the sync to a stereo pair feeding the sync box. All external devices are slaved to midi coming out of the innerclock box.

I always wanted a solution that would let me hit play on the keyboard and have everything locked up. None of that 1 bar offset stuff. Was too messy for me & my lack of patience. Things sound good to me now & I get to use all of my external gear with less hassle. That's all that matters to me.

I ordered from the company website and it shipped in a week or two (held in customs for a few days). I grabbed the flag ship unit so it ended up costing me just over a stack after shipping.

There are a few videos on youtube showing the innerclock boxes, I'll try to put something together in the next week or so, I need to brush up on my FCP skills. haha.

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I'd be interested in how it syncs with the 5000. Is the response to the MPC5000 as accurate as with the MPC3000?

[sctt_stone]

I apologize if this is a stupid question but will an Apogee Big Ben not do the same thing?

[Dor]

Originally Posted by sctt_stone

I apologize if this is a stupid question but will an Apogee Big Ben not do the same thing?

No, Word clock (what the big ben provides) and MIDI timecode are two different things.

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