SP-12 Sampler

[MONSTA_ONE]

I WAS THINKING ABOUT GETTING ONE .. IT WAS MY FIRST MACHINE.. BUT THAT WAS LIKE 20 YEARS AGO LOL . SO I WANTED TO KNOW ARE THIER ANY MODS 4 IT .I NEED A WAY 2 SAVE THE SOUNDS ON IT I HAD A COMMODORE DRIVE FOR IT WAY BACK .BUT I DONT WANA GO THAT ROUTE . I REMBER IT TOOK LIKE 45 MIN 2 SAVE ONE BEAT .SO WHAT DO YOU THINK SHOULD I SAY AWAY FROM IT ? OR JUST GET THE SP 1200 IDK ..??? THX

[AbsoluteSpirit]

Damn, Is your keyboard stuck on full velocity?

Anyways... Can't you save to 'cassette' but just save it as an audio file on your PC?

[MONSTA_ONE]

Originally Posted by AbsoluteSpirit

Damn, Is your keyboard stuck on full velocity?

Anyways... Can't you save to 'cassette' but just save it as an audio file on your PC?

yes but i would have to resamaple the file again . do you know of any mods or a differnt drive i could use .. thx i just read how

[AbsoluteSpirit]

I don't think you'd have to resample your stuff - saving to 'cassette' would store your info as (sample) data not as a listenable audio file or beat...

There's some stuff on dxarmy.com in the SP forum about this. Sounds like its quicker than the old commodore
drives.

[MONSTA_ONE]

i just saw that .. thx again . i mite just get the sp .just cuz it was my first machine . but . when i use it . ill just resample the drumz . and not save it idk .i think it would be faster 2 just resmaple and rember what breaks i use or just set aside a crate or vinyl just for for that sp . i was hoping for a sd mod .

[G. Kaye]

Originally Posted by AbsoluteSpirit

Damn, Is your keyboard stuck on full velocity?

good one

[SEED78]

I was wondering about some kind of SD or CF for the SP12 turbo - but guess as its not got scsi or even the floppy of the 1200 a lot of mods are gonna be non-existent.

any mods might require you have the original commadore 5.25" (or whatever it is) and moding that.

with the price of the 12 staying lower than the 1200 a modded 12 would be appealing...

[HazeBros]

thats the reason to just get a 1200. but you can do cassesette backup on the 12 to your daw but prob not worth it, I just record it.

[renato-rizoli]

hi there,

The first sd card reader on EMU sp 1200 ONE MPC 2 dj's - YouTube

emu SP 1200 with sd card reader "work in progress" http://hxc2001.free.fr/floppy_drive_emulator/ - YouTube

Not that fast, but nice ....

[MONSTA_ONE]

Originally Posted by renato-rizoli

hi there,

The first sd card reader on EMU sp 1200 ONE MPC 2 dj's - YouTube

emu SP 1200 with sd card reader "work in progress" http://hxc2001.free.fr/floppy_drive_emulator/ - YouTube

Not that fast, but nice ....

yes thats a nice mod for the sp 1200 . but i was looking for an sp 12 mod .. thx

[renato-rizoli]

Erf, right I did not read properly .....

[szf]

No storage mods for the sp12 up to now...

My workflow with the SP12 is ... sample into it from PC ... make a finished song....move on.

I do organize my samples, so I know which went into the sp on which song... but it would be such s*it to redo ... that it forces me to make songs as perfect as possible before moving on to others.

..actually I don't put new sample into it that much, I often treat it like an 808..I've got some sounds in there that are so nice, and can be repitched for other songs...so just reuse them on a bunch of songs.

When you turn it off, all your sounds and seqs/songs are still right there, without needing to load from floppy! I was tempted to sell the SP12 and get a 1200.. changed my mind though..

If you really need to save your sounds get the 1200.. cos the commodore drives are CRAP.
Also, recording individual sounds from your SP to an MPC/PC.. that will take t least 50% of the SP magic away, if that's the plan, just get some SP drumkits from goldbaby, and save some cash

Ooh, and just to add: the tape backup... also takes forever, and I could never get it to work on mine.

[ForWerd]

Cassette save is a cinch. Just like recording any other audio track. Click record, then push save to cassette on the SP. you'll hear some funky sounds and it does take about 2-5 min put its a digital back up!!! To load from cassette is the same push load from cassette on the SP then push play on your DAW. Nice feature I know several folks wouldn't mind having on the 1200.

[3rd Degree]

I don't have an SP but I have used two other samplers that didn't have more than a floppy. I honestly just tracked to my computer every time, never saved. Even on my MPC 1000, I rarely save, just keep it going until I am done. I only save to not loose my work, not to come back. To me, I only love card readers for the ability to load samples, especially if you have used a computer for a long time.

[peterpiper0815]

you could try to use the 1571 istead of the 1541. The 1541 was designed to work with the VC20 computer and I've read that there was a "break" installed to work with the VC20. My guess: the 1571 (designed for the commodore 128) don't have this "break". But it also depends how fast the SP12 can provide the data.

Dont forget to search the SP1200 forum!

peace

[szf]

Originally Posted by ForWerd

Cassette save is a cinch. Just like recording any other audio track. Click record, then push save to cassette on the SP. you'll hear some funky sounds and it does take about 2-5 min put its a digital back up!!! To load from cassette is the same push load from cassette on the SP then push play on your DAW. Nice feature I know several folks wouldn't mind having on the 1200.

Mine was over 12mins recording to PC (for near 5secs of samples)... and failed the verify test, time after time, I even tried recording directly to my samplers, thinking it could be inaudible dropouts causing probs... no go.. sat there for over 2 hours adjusting record levels, finally gave up.. Maybe my save ft. is broken or I lack the magic touch for it to work

...Anyway for me at least, even if it did work... no way am I killing 12+mins to save sample data, that's enough time to make half a song.

[szf]

Originally Posted by 3rd Degree

I don't have an SP but I have used two other samplers that didn't have more than a floppy. I honestly just tracked to my computer every time, never saved. Even on my MPC 1000, I rarely save, just keep it going until I am done. I only save to not loose my work, not to come back. To me, I only love card readers for the ability to load samples, especially if you have used a computer for a long time.

This is not so different to how I work, and it p*ssed me off at the beginning with the sp12, but now I see it's liberating to finish a song knowing that there's no going back to it, or at least without a big headache.

[MONSTA_ONE]

So i still want the sp 12 just cuzz it was my first drum machine and i will only use it just . For the love of music .. But i will need somthimg i can save on so i will be getting the sp1200 . Ps the days of leaving on my sp12 and asr 10 days @ a time are over lol thx for your help

[Sampler Man]

If money is not an issue I would suggest getting the SP1200 just to have one. I use mine everyday and love it but bang for your buck it isn't great. One of the best samplers for your money is the ESI 32. I use it like it is an SP1200. Once you start using it you won't think of the SP12 or 1200 again.

[MONSTA_ONE]

Originally Posted by Sampler Man

If money is not an issue I would suggest getting the SP1200 just to have one. I use mine everyday and love it but bang for your buck it isn't great. One of the best samplers for your money is the ESI 32. I use it like it is an SP1200. Once you start using it you won't think of the SP12 or 1200 again.

SO IS THE ESI 32 . LIKE AN ASR 10 . I NEVER USED ONE NORE sory bout the caps lol .. any ways yea i have not used one .so its a sp 1200 . in keyboard mode ..?? and how does it sound . can i hook up an sd card to it / zip . i been making beats for over 20 years ,, but i lost every thing i owned . from my socks to my whole studio .. so im trying to get every thing back .. and wana start off right .thx im gona read up on the ESI 32 . i dont know any one who every used one or talked about it . thx but i seen them b 4

[MONSTA_ONE]

whats the differents i see one thats 600 and i see one thats $80 ?? Emu E-mu Systems 6201 ESI-32 32 Voice Digital Sampler | eBay EMU ESI-32 Digital Sampler with SCSI Zip and floppy disks | eBay

[Sampler Man]

$600 is way too much. They go for $75 - $150. I like it so much as you can work really fast and it sounds fantastic. Basic setup would be Turntable and mixer, midi keyboard/controller, ESI 32 with 32MB memmory and a SCSI device to save to(make sure it has a SCSI card). I use zip disk. It doesn't have an internal sequencer so you'll need one. Here is how I use it. Plug your turntable into the ESI32 and go digging. As soon as you sample something it places it to the keyboard so you don't have to assign it. You can quickly trim it and move on to the next sound. If you find for example a piano sample you can assign it to one key or a small section of the keyboard or accross all keys. So I end up with a huge bunch of different sounds. with an SP1200 and a floppy you end up with like 10 - 15 sounds. With the ESI 32 and a Zip disk you can spend weeks maxing it out. The you hook it up to your sequencer and go nuts! It samples in CD quality in stereo or mono or 22000K in stero or mono. If you want gritty sounds you sample drums at 45RPM at 22000K in mono. Once you sample you tune the drums down. If you want it more gritty you can lower the sample rate to 11000K There are other tricks to get real gritty such as manually spinning the turn table really fast and sampling it. The filters are great on it. I add a low pass filter to most of my kicks but adjust the attack of the filter so you maintain the initial punch of the sound. This is just like assigning it to out put 1 or 2 on the SP1200. Ok thats enough typing for now...

[The Others]

I just midi my sp 12 turbo when im not using the 1200

[xanax]

daaamn e-mu heaven right there!

[MONSTA_ONE]

Originally Posted by Sampler Man

$600 is way too much. They go for $75 - $150. I like it so much as you can work really fast and it sounds fantastic. Basic setup would be Turntable and mixer, midi keyboard/controller, ESI 32 with 32MB memmory and a SCSI device to save to(make sure it has a SCSI card). I use zip disk. It doesn't have an internal sequencer so you'll need one. Here is how I use it. Plug your turntable into the ESI32 and go digging. As soon as you sample something it places it to the keyboard so you don't have to assign it. You can quickly trim it and move on to the next sound. If you find for example a piano sample you can assign it to one key or a small section of the keyboard or accross all keys. So I end up with a huge bunch of different sounds. with an SP1200 and a floppy you end up with like 10 - 15 sounds. With the ESI 32 and a Zip disk you can spend weeks maxing it out. The you hook it up to your sequencer and go nuts! It samples in CD quality in stereo or mono or 22000K in stero or mono. If you want gritty sounds you sample drums at 45RPM at 22000K in mono. Once you sample you tune the drums down. If you want it more gritty you can lower the sample rate to 11000K There are other tricks to get real gritty such as manually spinning the turn table really fast and sampling it. The filters are great on it. I add a low pass filter to most of my kicks but adjust the attack of the filter so you maintain the initial punch of the sound. This is just like assigning it to out put 1 or 2 on the SP1200. Ok thats enough typing for now...

thx homie

[MONSTA_ONE]

nyce i just got a eps 16 plus 2day ..

[Goa-Dubs]

Originally Posted by MONSTA_ONE

SO IS THE ESI 32 . LIKE AN ASR 10 .

The ASR10 is a great sampler (i have the rack)but compared to my mpc its not punchy on drums.A bit weak for the main hits.(any other opinions welcomed)I had the ESI 32.Great sound.I did not like the interface.Fiddly.But i only had one for a week Anyway akai s950 maxed still going for 180 quid in the UK....Save to floppy

[Goa-Dubs]

Originally Posted by MONSTA_ONE

nyce i just got a eps 16 plus 2day ..

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