Reason 6.....worth it?

[Sampire]

debating upgrading to Reason 6......

worth it?

[sameal]

from what version?

i love the alligator. the pulverizer is just a lame distortion box that honestly, the scream 4 still works better in my opinion. the integration is great.


however it only made sense to me to upgrade at the name your own price rate, because going from 5 to 6 is an update, not a full version. they did SOME integration and gave you really only one useful device. sure, they gave a butt load of new presets, but who cares honest, there presets.

they totally ignored the most important things. group channels, midi out and recycle integration. stuff people have been screaming about here, and at there own forum.

[AbsoluteSpirit]

If you don't have Record then yes.

Otherwise Sameal pretty much summed it up...

[kstackm]

Originally Posted by Sampire

debating upgrading to Reason 6......

worth it?

Yep.

Reason 6 Is the correct iteration of every version of Reason since Reason 3.

Other than the minimal external midi support and lack of VST/AU etc. Reason has finally come of age.

It would be very wise to upgrade to it if you are a user of any other version of Reason/Record.

[Sampire]

I'm using Reason 5

the only thing that really interests me about 6 is being able to chop / time-stretch / loop samples in wave form via the now integrated Record.

Making sample based beats in 5 sucks so...yea.....buuut apparently 6 only supports .wav or .aiff format, which is lame. My goal is to be able to stay in ONE DAW......this would require me to convert any mp3 into wav first before using.

I should have just stuck with my PC in FL Studio world I guess.....but I'm too invested now to look back haha

[Arthur Stone]

Originally Posted by Sampire

debating upgrading to Reason 6......

worth it?

Yes

[KevWest]

Pulverizer is dope and its a multi effect. If you are only using it for distortion you may be missing the point. The echo is great. Alligator is useful too. The new sounds are useful (the sound bank is about double the size if I remember right) but my favorite feature is that its 64 bit so my samples load a lot faster. If you do not have Record the SSL mixer is a must. I like Reason 6 its not my favorite Reason update but I also owned Record. If I didn't own Record it probably would be

[kaydigi]

Originally Posted by Sampire

I'm using Reason 5

the only thing that really interests me about 6 is being able to chop / time-stretch / loop samples in wave form via the now integrated Record.

Making sample based beats in 5 sucks so...yea.....buuut apparently 6 only supports .wav or .aiff format, which is lame. My goal is to be able to stay in ONE DAW......this would require me to convert any mp3 into wav first before using.

I should have just stuck with my PC in FL Studio world I guess.....but I'm too invested now to look back haha

I make sampled based tracks all the time in Kong and recycle. My work flow is pretty much like an MPC 2500/1000. Once you get you template patches made (16 levels, RPG 8 Note Repeat, Rex auto slice dumping to pads etc..), it's all good from there.

My PC couldn't run Reason 6 Demo properly, so once I build my new rig 6 it is.


Edit, don't forget the MPC Skin.


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[Sampire]

yea with recycle it's relatively easy to make cool chop style sampled beats, but what if you want to sample and loop say a whole bar or 2 or 4 even?

[kaydigi]

Originally Posted by Sampire

yea with recycle it's relatively easy to make cool chop style sampled beats, but what if you want to sample and loop say a whole bar or 2 or 4 even?

Why can't you sample 2 or 4 bar loops? What happens on your end?

[Sampire]

ok, say I chop a 2 or 4 bar loop in Recycle, I can now trigger that loop from octorex but how do I get it to fit the tempo of my project?

[KevWest]

Originally Posted by Sampire

ok, say I chop a 2 or 4 bar loop in Recycle, I can now trigger that loop from octorex but how do I get it to fit the tempo of my project?

click the insert loop to sequencer track button and let Reason to the fixing for you. That is what Recycle was created to do actually. The slice markers are there to help correct timing issues. Honestly though in Reason 6 I would just use an audio track to loop.

[syntheticrhyme]

I think the upgrade is worth it. You can spend days fiddling with the new effects

[SynthLine09]

For audio alone yes. Alligator makes for awesome gated synth pads. Pulverizer is great. I'm not 100% for the compression and distortion on it, but the envelope follower makes it a very nifty and fun unit! Echo sounds just as good as anything I've used and has some good features. Go for it

[sameal]

Originally Posted by KevWest

Pulverizer is dope and its a multi effect. If you are only using it for distortion you may be missing the point. The echo is great. Alligator is useful too.

i used pulveriser for everything i could think of. I'm one of those guys that uses things of musical variety in ways specifically or otherwise not intended to be used, and i still found it pretty lack and relatively boring.

the echo is ok. but again, i already had a few devices at my disposal in reason i could get more controlled results from. maybe it's because they don't stack well. i like to stack effects to achieve different pallets of sound and i personally found them not stackable really.

i guess i feel they offered me what i already had in a different package. things i could already achieve.


other then alligator. i use that almost too much.

[KevWest]

Originally Posted by sameal

i used pulveriser for everything i could think of. I'm one of those guys that uses things of musical variety in ways specifically or otherwise not intended to be used, and i still found it pretty lack and relatively boring.

the echo is ok. but again, i already had a few devices at my disposal in reason i could get more controlled results from. maybe it's because they don't stack well. i like to stack effects to achieve different pallets of sound and i personally found them not stackable really.

i guess i feel they offered me what i already had in a different package. things i could already achieve.


other then alligator. i use that almost too much.

yeah thats the thing with Reason updates in general. if u rewire they are not going to offer you much new anyway.

[kaydigi]

Do you guys use Record to mix your tracks? Or do you use Record for basic pre mixing and still track out to another daw?

[sameal]

Originally Posted by kaydigi

Do you guys use Record to mix your tracks? Or do you use Record for basic pre mixing and still track out to another daw?

i do all of it in reason other then samples. i cut those in reaper

[kaydigi]

Originally Posted by sameal

i do all of it in reason other then samples. i cut those in reaper

Cool, just ordered Reason 6. Going to upgrade from Reason 5 (No Record).

[KevWest]

Originally Posted by kaydigi

Do you guys use Record to mix your tracks? Or do you use Record for basic pre mixing and still track out to another daw?

Record is Reason. Basically Reason is works exactly how Record did minus having to install separate software which basically worked as an add on. But to answer your question at this point I do all of my mixing directly in Reason.

[kaydigi]

Originally Posted by KevWest

Record is Reason. Basically Reason is works exactly how Record did minus having to install separate software which basically worked as an add on. But to answer your question at this point I do all of my mixing directly in Reason.

How do you like the Time Stretching in record compared to other daws and MPC's?

[miscend]

You don't need Recycle to chop samples anymore. You can chop from the sequencer and load the wavs into the samplers.

[Sampire]

to those with reason 5 or 6, how are you typically sampling? from mp3s? straight from vinyl? more specifically, if from mp3s, I asume your loading into another program first to convert to wav, then to recycle, then to reason? ugh. As I said, I wish they would just support mp3. So annoying.

[syntheticrhyme]

Originally Posted by Sampire

to those with reason 5 or 6, how are you typically sampling? from mp3s? straight from vinyl? more specifically, if from mp3s, I asume your loading into another program first to convert to wav, then to recycle, then to reason? ugh. As I said, I wish they would just support mp3. So annoying.

that's the only problem, you have to convert the audio first. But it's live sampling feature is nice, you can sample from any input into any of the samplers , kong or redrum

[Sampire]

Originally Posted by KevWest

click the insert loop to sequencer track button and let Reason to the fixing for you. That is what Recycle was created to do actually. The slice markers are there to help correct timing issues. Honestly though in Reason 6 I would just use an audio track to loop.

do you mean the "copy loop to track" button? because I tried that and it didn't alter the timing of the slice at all. Still off beat.

[KevWest]

Originally Posted by kaydigi

How do you like the Time Stretching in record compared to other daws and MPC's?

I don't time stretch often enough to give you a good comparison. I have been making beats with samples for 6 years and of those 6 years I can count on my hands how many times I've used time stretch.

Originally Posted by miscend

You don't need Recycle to chop samples anymore. You can chop from the sequencer and load the wavs into the samplers.

Didn't need that either. I chop samples with the sample editor unless I want to archive the samples then I'll use Recycle.

Originally Posted by Sampire

to those with reason 5 or 6, how are you typically sampling? from mp3s? straight from vinyl? more specifically, if from mp3s, I asume your loading into another program first to convert to wav, then to recycle, then to reason? ugh. As I said, I wish they would just support mp3. So annoying.

yeah I rarely sample mp3s. i don't get the appeal of it because I sample for sound reasons.

Originally Posted by Sampire

do you mean the "copy loop to track" button? because I tried that and it didn't alter the timing of the slice at all. Still off beat.

then u r not chopping it right. this is product specialist James Bernard for Propellerhead software telling you how to use Recycle and what it was meant to do.

[kaydigi]

Originally Posted by KevWest

I don't time stretch often enough to give you a good comparison. I have been making beats with samples for 6 years and of those 6 years I can count on my hands how many times I've used time stretch.
Didn't need that either. I chop samples with the sample editor unless I want to archive the samples then I'll use Recycle.


yeah I rarely sample mp3s. i don't get the appeal of it because I sample for sound reasons.


then u r not chopping it right. this is product specialist James Bernard for Propellerhead software telling you how to use Recycle and what it was meant to do.

Hey Kev,

I ordered my physical copy of 6 on Friday. What was changed in Kong from Reason 5 to Reason 6? Just drum kits?

[Sampire]

Kev West - THANK YOU.

[KevWest]

Originally Posted by kaydigi

Hey Kev,

I ordered my physical copy of 6 on Friday. What was changed in Kong from Reason 5 to Reason 6? Just drum kits?

I think there are a few new drum kits but i rarely use the preset drum kits to be for sure. As far as functionality goes Kong in Reason 6 is exactly the same as it was in 5. I really like Reason 6 you'll notice Reason 6 is a little more cpu heavy than 5 was but that's because of all of the new stuff you got from Record.

[KevWest]

Originally Posted by Sampire

Kev West - THANK YOU.

you're very welcome. I am always happy to help