SP1200 mode in Battery makes drums "ring"... how do I fix it?

[JohnJ]

I want it to sound gritty but not glitchy (no ringing).
I haven't changed any settings, I just loaded up sounds and switched to vintage mode and picked one of the SP1200 settings and most of my drum sounds now have a glitchy ring sound to them.

[Nahuel]

lol

[David Ray]

The sp 12xx sound is known for "ringing" and is considered a desirable quality. It sounds like you should just not use it...

[jrides]

Originally Posted by JohnJ

I want it to sound gritty but not glitchy (no ringing).
I haven't changed any settings, I just loaded up sounds and switched to vintage mode and picked one of the SP1200 settings and most of my drum sounds now have a glitchy ring sound to them.

Post of the decade.

Fix? This is not broken, it is supposedd to sound like that.
However, I no longer remember how that feature works in Battery. If there is a "Ring Modulation" setting, try adjusting that until you get to a sound, that you like.

I bet in a year or so, we will see posts from this guy going on about how the Battery emulation sounds just like the SP.

[DAH]

post of the week
shhheeeesssh

[cdog]

Is this real life?

[JohnJ]

I'm not convinced that it's supposed to sound this way.

I just got done using some piano samples in Battery and under SP mode it sounded terrible with even more ringing than before. I had to use the MPC60 mode instead.

I've heard drums processed with SP1200's and beats done on them and none of them had this ring... it's not a subtle ring at all it's a very loud ring that compromises the quality of the samples...

[10 ton splash]

Originally Posted by JohnJ

I'm not convinced that it's supposed to sound this way.

I just got done using some piano samples in Battery and under SP mode it sounded terrible with even more ringing than before. I had to use the MPC60 mode instead.

I've heard drums processed with SP1200's and beats done on them and none of them had this ring... it's not a subtle ring at all it's a very loud ring that compromises the quality of the samples...

I have a sp 1200. Im not a big fan of the aliasing or whatever that ringing sound is. I love the way claps, sdstick's, unlayered kicks in the 1200, and sequencer sound on it.

[10 ton splash]

Sorry, you did it right. Just turn it off. You could also filter some of it out.

[The Marrvel]

Originally Posted by JohnJ

I'm not convinced that it's supposed to sound this way.

I just got done using some piano samples in Battery and under SP mode it sounded terrible with even more ringing than before. I had to use the MPC60 mode instead.

I've heard drums processed with SP1200's and beats done on them and none of them had this ring... it's not a subtle ring at all it's a very loud ring that compromises the quality of the samples...

You can try adjusting Battery's HQI to "Perfect" and see what happens, but it sounds like you simply don't like Battery's SP1200 emulation.

[Killah_Trakz]

Maschine does the same shit

[Nahuel]

Yea...and the 1200 too...lol

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[KT1]

I was about to type 'Use some drum gel', although in gest i thought that would be a bit cheeky. Important point here though. What did you expect? Do you think because many like the sound it would be an instant make my drums bang button?

It is an emulation of the sound processing. Nothing more. Personally i like it! :D

[beyondat]

That's the sound of 32khz!

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[beat you down]

instant classic lol

[Oh4!]

lmao. Yo.. only if message board post could go viral more often. This is gold.

[3rd Degree]

May I suggest turning it off? As much as people love the sound of such and such sampler, I often feel people use the emulations, or the real deal, just because they think it will make their music sound better. I do more "hi fi" sampling now, doing basically the opposite of what many vintage samplers do, and I love doing it that way. I may even sell my ASR 10 soon, I just don't need that "sound" anymore.

Sorry, just saying.

[coolout]

The title of this post alone almost made me spit my food out from laughter.

I wonder what Easy Mo Bee thinks?

[MrMeek]

hilarious

[viewingstuff]

golden era new york hip-hop made on sp's didn't use ring mod on drums. pete rock, ultra's, marley marl, large professor, beat minerz, lord finesse, q-tip, easy moe bee etc etc etc they all sampled their drums at the highest rate as clean as possible with little to no pitch shift. then to get the samples in they had to speed up the records and that's when you would hear it

one of the most famous producers to use the ring mod extensively was muggs. then other west coast producers followed his style and that grungy smoked out blunted sound became a staple of the west coast muggs inspired sound which was popular for a time. but still it was used mostly for loops, and the one shot drums were most often sampled cleaner.

younger producers nowadays getting into production might be tempted to think the ring mod sounds good on drums because it is unique to the machine and something special, but back then it was just a strange noise that had not yet acquired any nostalgic value and just made drums sound worse. and that's word to big bird

[10 ton splash]

^^^^^ Dont try to tell them that. They will try to gang up on you and say you have to use this way. But I do recall some Pete Rock stuff that had the ring, Soul Survivor.

[JohnJ]

Originally Posted by viewingstuff

golden era new york hip-hop made on sp's didn't use ring mod on drums. pete rock, ultra's, marley marl, large professor, beat minerz, lord finesse, q-tip, easy moe bee etc etc etc they all sampled their drums at the highest rate as clean as possible with little to no pitch shift. then to get the samples in they had to speed up the records and that's when you would hear it

one of the most famous producers to use the ring mod extensively was muggs. then other west coast producers followed his style and that grungy smoked out blunted sound became a staple of the west coast muggs inspired sound which was popular for a time. but still it was used mostly for loops, and the one shot drums were most often sampled cleaner.

younger producers nowadays getting into production might be tempted to think the ring mod sounds good on drums because it is unique to the machine and something special, but back then it was just a strange noise that had not yet acquired any nostalgic value and just made drums sound worse. and that's word to big bird

Yeah I've heard a ton of dusty 12 bit beats and none of them sounded "ringy". It just sounds terrible, IMO.

I did some searching and people say the ring sound comes from changing the pitch but I get it straight from the vintage switch in Battery. Idk what that's about. At least the MPC60 mode sounds alright.

[viewingstuff]

got me on the soul survivor lol

[beyondat]

Originally Posted by viewingstuff

golden era new york hip-hop made on sp's didn't use ring mod on drums. pete rock, ultra's, marley marl, large professor, beat minerz, lord finesse, q-tip, easy moe bee etc etc etc they all sampled their drums at the highest rate as clean as possible with little to no pitch shift. then to get the samples in they had to speed up the records and that's when you would hear it

one of the most famous producers to use the ring mod extensively was muggs. then other west coast producers followed his style and that grungy smoked out blunted sound became a staple of the west coast muggs inspired sound which was popular for a time. but still it was used mostly for loops, and the one shot drums were most often sampled cleaner.

younger producers nowadays getting into production might be tempted to think the ring mod sounds good on drums because it is unique to the machine and something special, but back then it was just a strange noise that had not yet acquired any nostalgic value and just made drums sound worse. and that's word to big bird

Isn't the ring sound a cause of the sample rate? 32khz of less. My eps had the same sound and I never touched the ring mod. Yes the Nyquist Rule.


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[viewingstuff]

i think it can be made either by pitch shifting or changing sample rate or both. the mirage doesn't do the ring mod but something similar when either pitch or sample rate is changed

[DAH]

anyway it s one by aliasing. it might exist without repitching but repitching usaully moves the end spectrum aliasing and adds new.