SP12 / SP1200 output to an MPC....

[jigen87]

Hello, I am at a crossroads. Bottom line is: I want the sound of an SP for my music, and I know there are ways to emulate the sound, but I dunno, maybe I'm just stubborn lol.

I currently own (and love) an MPC1000. I'm thinking about getting either an SP12 or an SP1200 (I already know about the sampling times and memory differences between the two, but I'm not rich enough to afford a 1200, and there's someone in my area craigslisting an SP12 for half the average cost of an SP1200).

Anyway, my question is this: If I got an SP12, recorded samples to the ROM, THEN recorded the output from the SP12 to my MPC1000, would it still retain "that sound"? What you put in is what you get out, of course, and the general consensus I've found is that the MPC1000 and newer MPCs "flatten" sounds compared to the SPs or the MPC2000s. I guess I'm just concerned with possibly defeating the purpose of getting an SP in the first place if I'm just going to inadvertently "flatten" the sound by re-sampling the output onto my MPC1000.

Thoughts/suggestions?

[ForWerd]

I have found, with comparisons like these, that it is best to see for your self and draw your own conclusions. My personal opinion is that the sound will be extremely close / unnoticeable after resampling into the MPC 1000.

[Upright]

As a former Mpc 2500 user I would say it's going to sound the same....for the most part. I would definitely agree that the newer Mpc's sound different than the older models but IMO it won't be that big of a difference and possibly not noticeable. In addition, you'll be able to fine tune things once you've tracked out to your DAW (assuming you are using one) with a little compression, eq, etc. Finally concerning the stuff out there that emulates the sp's I talked to a guy that owns both Maschine and a sp1200 and he did comparison using the same kick, output levels etc.. against the Maschine emulation and a real Sp and in his words "it's close but not exact" ....close is good enough for me (though I rarely use the feature)

[ForWerd]

Originally Posted by Upright

Finally concerning the stuff out there that emulates the sp's I talked to a guy that owns both Maschine and a sp1200 and he did comparison using the same kick, output levels etc.. against the Maschine emulation and a real Sp and in his words "it's close but not exact" ....close is good enough for me (though I rarely use the feature)

I actually did a similar comparison and posted it here on GS. Search for SP1200 vs. Maschine. There is an audio file to hear for your self.

[Upright]

Originally Posted by ForWerd

I actually did a similar comparison and posted it here on GS. Search for SP1200 vs. Maschine. There is an audio file to hear for your self.

I love to hear that....I'll have to see if I can find it.

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[10 ton splash]

There will be a difference because youre adding the sound of the 1000. I think you should keep saving up for a 1200 or just buy some sample libraries of the 1200. Sounds like you want the real thing though. Its not a bad investment. They hold there value well.

[SEED78]

try to get the turbo version of the Sp12 if you go for that route.

just rem, no disk drive or at best a commadore 5.25" at the most - so you'll prob just want to do what you mentioned in the first post which is to sample on the SP12, then play that into the mpc1000 straight away.

not actually a bad way of doing it - quite like the idea of a SP12+MPC1000 combo.

[Nahuel]

be carefull with the sp12/1200 these are getting very old and there's a lot that are not in very good condition...that's the kind of equipement I'd never buy over the internet.

[Upright]

Originally Posted by Nahuel

be carefull with the sp12/1200 these are getting very old and there's a lot that are not in very good condition...that's the kind of equipement I'd never buy over the internet.

Man, no kidding! Id much rather deal locally if possible or even drive a few hundred miles than to get a crappy unit.

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[vintagefreak]

i 've got all 3 : MPC1000 , SP12 Turbo and SP1200
and i almost never use my MPC1000 anymore , exept when i travel.

Please don't get me wrong i love MPC's way of making beats, pads and all the
endless functions.... JJOS 2XL , and i can get closer to a descent sound on MPC1000 after EQing n compressin' it ( though i don't like its "out of the box" sound) ... don't know why i use it less and less

BUT
everyday when i enter my "bathroom" studio i am firing up my SP1200
first , than turntable + vinyl and just have a blast for hours ...

...sometimes when i run out of memory,
i MIDI sync SP12 and SP1200 in combo with an AKAI S950 ( another little gem)

I would suggest , if you can get SP12 Turbo for cheap - go for it , no doubt!
its got great punchy n crispy sound , 5 sec sampling time and sounds great for drums and short loops. You will get the best SP sound for less
that you could than re-sample into your DAW or MPC1000.
And its easy to back up/reload back SP12 sounds and sequences trough its Tape Output to your DAW as 2 mono audio files , its fast and efficient, so you won't need any external bulky floppy disk drives at all

here is a S1000 / S950 / SP1200 sound comparison video i've done :
http://youtu.be/znqxqPMizlM

[Upright]

Originally Posted by vintagefreak

i 've got all 3 : MPC1000 , SP12 Turbo and SP1200
and i almost never use my MPC1000 anymore , exept when i travel.

Please don't get me wrong i love MPC's way of making beats, pads and all the
endless functions.... JJOS 2XL , and i can get closer to a descent sound on MPC1000 after EQing n compressin' it ( though i don't like its "out of the box" sound) ... don't know why i use it less and less

BUT
everyday when i enter my "bathroom" studio i am firing up my SP1200
first , than turntable + vinyl and just have a blast for hours ...

...sometimes when i run out of memory,
i MIDI sync SP12 and SP1200 in combo with an AKAI S950 ( another little gem)

I would suggest , if you can get SP12 Turbo for cheap - go for it , no doubt!
its got great punchy n crispy sound , 5 sec sampling time and sounds great for drums and short loops. You will get the best SP sound for less
that you could than re-sample into your DAW or MPC1000.
And its easy to back up/reload back SP12 sounds and sequences trough its Tape Output to your DAW as 2 mono audio files , its fast and efficient, so you won't need any external bulky floppy disk drives at all

here is a S1000 / S950 / SP1200 sound comparison video i've done :
http://youtu.be/znqxqPMizlM

I definitely love the SP's sound and I admire you cats that rock external classic samplers like this. I gave up all external gear early last year to go strictly ITB with Reason/Record and Maschine. This thread has inspired me to look into using Maschines vintage algorithms to add just a touch of dirt to my sound

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[INDEED]

Every link in ur audio chain will affect the sound.

[vintagefreak]

Originally Posted by INDEED

Every link in ur audio chain will affect the sound.

agree

[Retrofreak]

I used to process drums sounds with my SP12 Turbo, then store them in my MPC 60...they sounded the same to my ears.

I'd think that using a 1000 will give the same results, but a touch brighter?

If you want that dirty sound just pick up an S-950 or Ensoniq DP 2/4 for cheap.

[10 ton splash]

Originally Posted by Retrofreak

I used to process drums sounds with my SP12 Turbo, then store them in my MPC 60...they sounded the same to my ears.

That is exactly why I like the 1200 by itself, it sounds different by itself. I dont want the color of any other piece.