^ it is, especially analog types like the SP1200's SSM or even the 950's digitally controlled analog LPF. but i'm also curious about the filter behavior (continuous vs. re-triggered)
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You get an explanation for crop circles or how Pumapunku was built before anybody will step on that ledge to explain Vintage Mode...
and it's painfully obvious that Jahrome and Midi have gag orders.
i think you're right akai must have them on lock down
hopefully some independent source will step out soon enough
^ it is, especially analog types like the SP1200's SSM or even the 950's digitally controlled analog LPF. but i'm also curious about the filter behavior (continuous vs. re-triggered)
i think you're right akai must have them on lock down
hopefully some independent source will step out soon enough
I kill a lot of time BSing theses forums. But I certainly won't give a second to a function that I personally don't care about and it's more subjective than anything else. Look at all the MPCs I have. The reason for having any of them has nothing to do with the way they sound.
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..but what i'm asking is not about how they sound (well i am interested about that, but obviously you'd be the wrong person to ask) what i want to know is how the filter behaves. this is not subjective, it is either continuous (cutoff continues throughout multiple samples) or it retriggers on each sample like on the 2000/3000. i am interested in knowing this as i use the retriggering filter as a "trick" or signature if you want on a lot of my beats. i need to know if REN can behave like this so my beats would sound identical when imported. understand?
Which hardware MPC are you most familiar with? The basic functions of what the Ren can do is nearly exactly like most recent MPCs. The Program Edit from the hardware seems the one that takes getting used to.
Yeah, I'm familiar with all but the 500 and 2000 models. It's just taking me a litte time to locate certain program editing features, but I am getting it down quickly. Will have to get a customized auto load file set up.
The process of putting down drum patterns and building sequences feels the same as with my hardware units with a bonus of improved workflow & file management.
^ it is, especially analog types like the SP1200's SSM or even the 950's digitally controlled analog LPF. but i'm also curious about the filter behavior (continuous vs. re-triggered)
i think you're right akai must have them on lock down
hopefully some independent source will step out soon enough
Xanax, I just threw the LPF on a few individual chops and filters retrigger on each pad hit. Is this what you are asking? Bear in mind that I've only had my Renn for a few days so I am hardly an expert on all of it's functionality.
Because it would expose Akai's marketing drivel of the Ren having "MPC3000 circuitry" as being misleading hype.
The Ren's vintage mode is software emulation. The "3k circuitry" they're talking about is just the audio outputs of the built-in soundcard being supposedly made with the same components as the 3k, which has nothing to do with the converters. The Ren uses typical commonly found 24bit converters. So this "3k circuitry" of the Ren will have no effect on the sound other than just monitoring unless you track the output back into the input of the sound.
Anyway, according to a user who has tested the vinage modes for both Maschine and Ren: "Maschine comes closer to the SP1200 sound. The main thing that NI nailed on their version of the emulation was the "ring" effect. This can especially be heard on a kick." "I'm gonna have to give the emulations to NI." MPC REN Emulator review
whats the deal with this guy? Why all the venom towards akai?
Ok cool you don't like the product but what's with the vendetta in every thread about the ren? Is any of this based on hands on experience?
Is there any part of the ren you like?
Some of the features you rave about on maschine were not there in their v1 software, so just like maschine the ren will only improve with future updates.
Wrong. Stop trying to spread misinformation. You can overlap slices in Maschine and you can quickly apply processing (Truncate, Normalize, Reverse, Fade In/Out, DC offset, Silence...etc.) to individual slices, without having to duplicate.
I have a sample in Maschine right now sliced up. If you edit the end point of one slice, it changes the start point of another. This is just your typical slice function. Click in the upper right corner of the waveform editor and normalize, reverse, fade in, etc are no longer available. Go back to Edit Mode (editing entire samples) and the editing processes are available.
Now if I am wrong, walk us through this process. Copying, duplicating, or drag-n-dropping the same sample to two or more pads is Maschine's work-around for overlapping slices. It's even a tutorial on NI's site.
Maschine doesn't need a workaround for that as it does non-destructive slicing. You can slice and press Apply and click on Edit and you will be able to edit each slice by pressing a pad and changing the start and end points. Each pad will trigger a separate slice and you will be able to change the start and end points of the slices, including having them overlap. This works with the "Apply To" as well for group mapping. You press sampling and use the edit tab to tweak the slices with overlap.
Got it:
1. Load sample
2. Press Slice; split into 32 regions
3. Press Apply; wait for sample to process (tick doc..tick toc)
4. Upon completion, press Edit
5. Then start editing nondestructively and apply processes to slices
I actually like this. But...how do you access slices 17-32 from the pads?
With the Ren, you do the editing and apply processes in Step #2. In Step #2, you have access up to 128 slices directly from the pads. Do your fading, normalizing, pitch shifting, reverse, etc on each slice independently. No Apply, waiting, or taking additional steps to do the same.
But no biggie....the end result is still the same (once Maschine gets there).
PS - When I initially tried this repro using Maschine, I used 'Apply' and it worked ok. But when I tried again using 'Apply To' Maschine froze on me and crashed. Apple report sent.
whats the deal with this guy? Why all the venom towards akai?
Ok cool you don't like the product but what's with the vendetta in every thread about the ren? Is any of this based on hands on experience?
Is there any part of the ren you like?
Some of the features you rave about on maschine were not there in their v1 software, so just like maschine the ren will only improve with future updates.
C'mon son!
Its noggin. He's just doing his job as an NI employee.
With Maschine's grid style chopping or detect mode, you can get a lot more than 32 slices. Press the pad mode button. The last two buttons on the right let you move up and down in the banks and changes the base key that the pads are working from, like changing octaves. You can also assign them across different groups.
I agree with you. Maschine's split mode slicing is terrible and the Ren's far exceed it in that regard.
The Ren's slicing is a complete joke. You can't manually add/remove slices. You can't put a slice in between two slices.
Im really digging my Ren, but this right here is a bit frustrating. I was looking around like, "there's gotta be a way to remove this end/start point" seriously though, this next update has gotta be HUGE.
part of what they're saying is true...ren is definitely over priced.
you know a big chunk of that retail price is going towards the celebrity endorsements (someone gotta pay for the hundreds of ren's shipped for free)
that being said, comparing the ren to an MPD is plain silly... even though i haven't touched ren in person yet, it is clear the controllers quality is light years ahead of maschine's (NI is even selling a "casing" to make their controller look bulkier lol). maschine's layout is straight doo-doo, the transport section is a joke (no stop button?!!) that flimsy rubber feel of all the buttons... oh and the mk2 is epic fail of the year (decade?) on the hardware side it's game over already, now let's see if the software can hold up..
I put this video together just showing (i use that term lightly) the basic workflow of the MPC Ren using mostly the hardware. Wasn't planned out so it's nothing too specific. I added some effects and messed around with the MPC LPF on a loop starting around 3:30 so people can hear the quality. The drums are just a raw break I chopped without processing. Enjoy!
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whats the deal with this guy? Why all the venom towards akai? 
More people fall for AKAI's bs Midi controller with a built in interface... for over a GRAND! hahahahhaha...
