Akai Pro to announce the MPC RENAISSANCE

[Jahrome]

Originally Posted by viewingstuff

yah, all the music that came before this new holy grail of added latency is all garbage. sly stone, james brown, coltrane, ellington, p-funk...to hell with them and their 'timing'. i don't know what music they were making but it sounds more to me like a math lesson than anything musical....

if they just used 1/16th quantized notes, with a 57.378573782% swing applied to everything, then shifted a farting sound + or - 2.395847 cents they would have been alright. unfortunately they didn't which makes everything they did unlistenable drivel

ps - timing has absolutely unequivocally NOTHING to do with music; 30ms latency ftw! ;P

I like to think of the MPC3000 as the piano or violin of
our time, and of you as an MPC3000ist. In the same way a violinist’s
style is identified by his or her vibrato and phrasing, your MPC3000
virtuosity may be identified by your particular swing settings, your
creative use of Note Repeat, or your real-time use of the Note
Variation feature. As an MPC3000ist, if you find the instrument
useful in your creative process, please let the world know. Next time
you perform on a recording, ask to be credited not with, “Keyboards
played by...” or “Programming by...” but rather with, “MPC3000
played by....”
Thanks for buying the MPC3000. I hope you enjoy using it as much
as we have enjoyed creating it.

Roger Linn

Originally Posted by 0t0b0t

I'm already adapted to computer-based production, but I know why I have my MPCs, my Octatrack and other hardware samplers.
Akai has to adapt with their new computer-aided models to the crowd they are catering to (mostly existing users of their self-contained units), and I guess that's what they are trying at least with that specialized USB-Midi driver and low audio latency.




During composition I don't see the problem... insert VST effects after the bases are captured or use a fast CPU. Most virtual (VST/RTAS/AU) effects don't have extra latency or very low like 3 samples (Softube for example). Don't use the ones with too much added latency, use em wisely to not tax the CPU too much, and there will be no pops/clicks to have to adjust the audio buffers for.

Personally, I am good. I am the guy that can work with 30ms of latency. lol

But I am sure there will be guys stacking 4 effects on every pad and 4 effects on every track and then route them to the Master Effect. Then they will blame Akai when the program hangs/crashes for taxing the computers CPU.

Then you will have the guys that use VST Samplers (Kontakt, MachFive, etc) that have huge patches. These guys will blame the performance issues on the MPC Ren...not understanding that these sof-samplers require fast hard drives, alot of memory, etc as they have patches/performances that are GBs in size....

[Nahuel]

As much as I respect Roger Linn, as much as I respect drum machines, samplers and the ppl that use it to create the music I enjoy, comparing an mpc with a violin is a bit weird to me, you can learn how to use an mpc in a matter of minutes, it takes years to be a decent violinist.


About the latency I agree, I use a great rme card and my system is set so that my daw have to compensate for 20 ms (half in/half out)...I can go lower but as soon as I drop the big multisamples and cpu heavy VA's I get glitches and stuff...with my settings I never reach the limits of my system... I still manage to play some nice grooves (to me at least) from my pads when I need to and dont really feel the latency, I'm probably not good enough... I use a 32bits daw to, 64bits and enough ram would probably help with lower latency without glitches.

[Jahrome]

You can learn how to use an MPC within minutes. But that doesn't mean you can create good music with it.

I have an RME HDSP9652 PCI card. It is an amazing sound card. I use to use with with my MPC and Reason. It was a perfect combo. But now I no longer have a computer that has PCI slots so my RME card sits in a box with my PCI UAD1 card.

[Goa-Dubs]

Originally Posted by Jahrome

You can learn how to use an MPC within minutes. But that doesn't mean you can create good music with it.

I wish you had told me that 15 years ago Jahrome.Damn!!!!

[bruceferraudi]

Originally Posted by co-signer

Please clarify why Sonivox is infamous. I never heard of that company ...

What are the odds that Akai is just going to throw a new gui on the existing code & make beta testers out of those on the bleeding edge.

CS

This is good news my friends. Trust me-you don't want Numark/Akai developing all new software from the start when you can get something that has had a couple of years to evolve-and putting a different gui on software that's been on the market for a while is an intelligent and cost effective way for a company to improve it's line of products-which are of course hybrid in this case. Letting Numark do what it does in the hardware manufacturing and taking advantage of people who have been doing software and virtual instrument for a while just makes sense. It's a good match and though everyone may not be aware of them Sonnivox has had had a wide variety of excellent samples (not everything of course) for quite a long time and have been doing software for a while too.

I purchased Sonivox Pulse a while back and I really like the GUI too(everythings on one page with a few tabbed menus) and just about everything is assignable but it'd be even better to have everything already mapped and labeled. I have an MPC1000 which I also like but if given the opportunity to do over I'd choose the MPC-studio personally for an all-in-one integrated solution. No disrespect to Maschine users or workflow but the hardware and software just dont look or feel right to me and for my purposes. It's definitely a good-great product for some though and will have some advantages and disadvantages over it's Akai competitors depending on the features or priorities you value like price, etc.

[Nahuel]

Originally Posted by KevBonds

I dont know what's so funny, it took me half an hour to read the mpc 2000 manual and learn the basic functions at the time, in one hour my first beat was done...

You can fool yourself into thinking that using an mpc is super complicated but I'm sorry to tell, it's super easy...making good music with sequencers takes imagination and talent, musicianship is a plus but it's not essential...now take a violin and try to play a basic musical phrase....lol...it's another world...it's hard work and dedication to the fullest.

[Nahuel]

Originally Posted by KevBonds

I'm not trying to fool anybody.

Try an MPC 4000 and then come tell us how easy it was to learn. See you in a few years.

come on now that's funny.

[Jahrome]

Originally Posted by Goa-Dubs

I wish you had told me that 15 years ago Jahrome.Damn!!!!

Hey...but its fun trying....

[finalmattasy]

Two points-

Why MPC's have a feel: My experience is that when you push an MPC hard (2000xl for me) the sequence actually slows down a bit. Like instead of crapping out it just slows up... I think this might help to make it feel a bit more groovy than other sequencers in an imperceptibly perceptible way.

Point two- my BIGGEST problem with going software for midi sequencing is that I have yet to experience a solid software (computer) based sequencer that can sequence an external hardware synth's filter sweeps (and other fluid parameter edits) without it either ignoring chunks of the sweep or the entire sweep completely.

It's crazy that my decade old 2000xl can still command my external synths in a more trustworthy manner than anything else I've come by in the last DECADE (protools, logic, mpc type peripherals, ableton), but sadly (almost makes me cry) that remains my experience. It's been a decade of pathetic in this regard.

If this new thing can remedy THAT problem, then I'm interested. But really, after being disappointed so many times, I wonder if there will ever be a solid enough computer based thang that will do what I've always wanted to do: make external gear sing without having to be nervous about it ignoring the stuff I tell it to do.

Software makers seem to just expect you to be happy with software synths. The level of incompatibility between various computers, various midi interfaces and various pieces of hardware has yet to kiss and make up in my presence... and it sucks.

[MIDIchlorian]

Originally Posted by Shobiz

Akai Pro MPC Renaissance - An update from the engineers, 2/10/12 - YouTube



I'm so f***** hype for this. Lets go!!!!!

The new pads seem hella responsive woooooot

[E-Maddox]

Originally Posted by MIDIchlorian

The new pads seem hella responsive woooooot

The pads are "supposed" to work properly.

[Hobbs_Won]

Originally Posted by E-Maddox

The pads are "supposed" to work properly.

I didn't want to say it... because I don't want to hate more than i already have.

But yea, the pads are supposed to be responsive like that.

What you are seeing now, however, is a bunch of dudes who have been burnt by Nukai with the MPD and MPK controllers pads which were AWFUL... So years later... they get it right and it's relatively amazing now.

My fat pad mod works fine on my controller. So the pads alone aren't going to justify me purchasing one.

Unless of course the fancy backlighting reels me in... And that is really what I render the purpose of this video down too... Alot of "OOOOHHH" factor going on.

Maybe somebody who dumped a couple tabs of LSD will be sold after watching that video. *shrugs*

[Jahrome]

Originally Posted by E-Maddox

The pads are "supposed" to work properly.

They just improved upon the best pad design every created. Don't hate. lol No one will think any less of you that you are still an MV user.

psss...I've read your comments over at the quiet MV spot. lol

[Hobbs_Won]

I do believe the pads are going to be superior though....I picked up the MPK mini and the pads on it are amazing....So there is no reason to not expect more of the same from the mpc-r

[E-Maddox]

Originally Posted by Jahrome

They just improved upon the best pad design every created. Don't hate. lol No one will think any less of you that you are still an MV user.
psss...I've read your comments over at the quiet MV spot. lol

Please give the propaganda a rest. and btw- MPC-Tutor can't save you over here.

Akai MPC Forums - AKAI says they will change the way we make music forever @ m : MPC Renaissance/Studio - Page 24

[E-Maddox]

Akai did a great job creating buzz but with pads video, and prospects watching the Ren get pieced together right before their eyes it could work against them leading up to launch.

It sort of lends itself to the political cliche about "sausage making".

[Nahuel]

Hey E Maddox, yes we know that he was in the beta testing team for the 5k...Big mother****ing deal!

Seriousely dude, you posts are useless, agressive, you bring nada, you're just a nuisance in this thread, GTFOH already.

[E-Maddox]

Originally Posted by Nahuel

Hey E Maddox, yes we know that he was in the beta testing team for the 5k...Big mother****ing deal!

Seriousely dude, you posts are useless, agressive, you bring nada, you're just a nuisance in this thread, GTFOH already.

WTF was even talking to you? If he takes a swipe at me for no reason other than top another pro-Akai soundbite i'm going to respond. At last check I don't have to clear with you to do so.

[Nahuel]

lol, you just edited your post where you posted that tired photoshoped pic...

dude your so small...lol

[E-Maddox]

I took down the pic because it wasn't necessary. It's from the link. My point still stands and I meant exactly what I said.



Edited: I don't photoshop pics. That's an unfair and false accusation.
The original pic is here is this thread or direct link.
Akai MPC Forums - COLOUR PADS from MPCstuff!!! : MPC5000 - Page 3
http://i360.photobucket.com/albums/o...lowpadpics.jpg

[Jahrome]

Originally Posted by E-Maddox

Please give the propaganda a rest. and btw- MPC-Tutor can't save you over here.

I didn't realize I needed saving. You posted the same photoshop pic in multiple forums....multiple times in each forum...and you call what I wrote a swipe at you?

I can imagine now what you would write if you see my name listed as an MPC Ren tester.

Its been kind of quiet at the MPC Forums. No new news outside of the change at the Akai site that takes the MPC Ren track count from 64 to 128. This is great because it wil make it compatible with MIDI tracks from all previous MPCs....not like I personally need 128 tracks. But one less thing people to nit pick about.

...and I always mean what I say and never have to insult anyone because I use a different drum machine than they do.

[E-Maddox]

You posted the same photoshop pic in multiple forums....multiple times in each forum...and you call what I wrote a swipe at you?

Post links to substantiate or stop making shit up.
You're Akai's mouthpiece and I understand you have a job to do.

Originally Posted by Jahrome

psss...I've read your comments over at the quiet MV spot. lol

A sad admission when you think about it. Skip the "single white female" vibe and move on already!

[Jahrome]

You write about me so much your name pops up when you google my name. lol

Well..moving along....(hopefully, you will do the same....)

Just saw this today:
88-Keys behind the scenes with MPC at Akai Pro - YouTube

[Dayl]

**** your guys inter-forum 'relations' get a room, just leave this one.

Some peeps keep checking up on this thread new developments. Dont need this noise.

[Jahrome]

I would never want to take away from another's MPC fetish. lol One of the new developments is the increase in track count....128 per sequence.

[Retrospekta]

Originally Posted by Nahuel

Ok

Sent from my GT-I5800 using Gearslutz.com App

LOL, what is a GT-I5800, a new Lexus?

[abcDom]

I watched some of the NAMM videos, now, but that was in January, and I remember one of the Akai spokespeople, saying: it's a plug-in and then in another video, the same Akai spokesperson saying: software...

So it can act as both, right?

ie. It's own running program and/or alongside a DAW (Pro Tools, Logic, Reaper, et. al)?

New to some of this stuff.

/////////////////

And my thoughts, on the product (and company, I guess), I think that AKAI are in a great position to release a renaissance, but it better go out with nothing less, than expected of a name as such. Otherwise, it's just a clever marketing campaign (duh) and it will most certainly be met with a huge thud of disappointment and an even larger critic's thumb.

And I hope it does succeed and based on the features I've read, it should.

And it's awesome to see a product before its release date, and AKAI should release more, needs to release more, because I haven't been completely won over by this product (based on the videos).

The features sound great, but I haven't really heard any of those features showcased to any cohesive detail or skill in the adverts or NAMM.

As it stands, these are opinions and speculations for a product that's months away, so who knows? I just hope it's a fully realized renaissance-before it's mass-produced.

I know summer will arrive and I hope the renaissance arrives, too.

[end puns here]

[tian_]

as a past maschine user and current octatrack user, i'm wondering if this mpr will somehow incorporate step sequencing/automation.

on the octatrack, plocks are amazing on vsts but i miss pads.
step automation and sequencing was pretty cool on the maschine and being one of its main features, thought the mpr would be on this.

basically if i could select a step, a filter, then open that filter for that step only, in only a few moves without using a mouse - it could lead to my octatrack on ebay.

am i askin too much?

[ForWerd]

Originally Posted by tian_

as a past maschine user and current octatrack user, i'm wondering if this mpr will somehow incorporate step sequencing/automation.

on the octatrack, plocks are amazing on vsts but i miss pads.
step automation and sequencing was pretty cool on the maschine and being one of its main features, thought the mpr would be on this.

basically if i could select a step, a filter, then open that filter for that step only, in only a few moves without using a mouse - it could lead to my octatrack on ebay.

am i askin too much?

I've wondered this too. Step sequence was the one of the features that lead to me switching from MPC 2500.

[Nahuel]

Originally Posted by Retrospekta

LOL, what is a GT-I5800, a new Lexus?

That's the automatic sig from the gearslutz android app...I didnt write it.

It's this: