Roland V-Synth XT

MACHINE · 25th April 2006, 09:51 AM

Do alot of people still use this, is it a overused piece ? Supposedly it was pretty popular back in the day anyway I'm just wondering about it.

rjx · 25th April 2006, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MACHINE

Do alot of people still use this...popular back in the day.

Yeah, 2005 was such a long time ago

themaestro · 25th April 2006, 05:46 PM

lol...back in the day, that thing just came out last year!!!! honestly, as dope as it looks, ive NEVER seen anybody use it or heard ANYBODY say ANYTHING about it

Boby Stoica · 25th April 2006, 06:08 PM

Ppl on this forum tend to say it's pretty cool on hip-hop and "2006"-like dance..:).

Dr.Wu · 25th April 2006, 07:07 PM

i like it.
nothing comes even close when it comes to sample tweaking.
That elastic audio stuff is absolutely amazing.
Great for mangling beats and vocals.
The vocoder is dope to.
Im not to crazy about the virtual analog section though.
Its ok to beef up a sampled sound with but it cant touch any real analog synth for sure.
On the other hand the D-50 emulation in this thing is absolutely perfect so if you dig those typical 80s synth sounds this is the closest you can get with todays technology.

Its a very performance oriented synth.
Gotta love the time trip pad because it gives you vector control over up to 16 parameters simultaneously. Quite incredible how much you can change sound with the touch of a finger.

And since a long time its a real cool looking racksynth especially if you use the tilt function!

Checkmate Muzik · 25th April 2006, 10:22 PM

Do you just ask about these synths (9-10th post), buy them or do anything with the advice you get here?

i asked about 2 synths and i went and bought both of them. hopefully you not wasting these peoples time.

Nu Mixer · 25th April 2006, 10:54 PM

Yeah, this fool keeps asking the same questions. Do a search of all his posts and you will be amazed at his stupidity.

STOP WASTING EVERYONE'S TIME, MACHINE!!

alpha80 · 28th April 2006, 02:29 AM

For real.

You come off like....a....

...well...like a MACHINE.

BTW, I got a serious question for V-Synth users...

I already RTFM & everything...still confused...

...can I automatically pitch a single user-recorded sample into a full multisample up & down the keyrange, independent of time/duration ?? (all pitched keys automatically occupying time identical to original recording's duration)

Thanks in advance.

babyface_finsta · 28th April 2006, 02:59 AM

Whats RTFM... Oh... nevermind... I have a feeling you can accomplish that... you would prolly have to load the same sample 5 times (with different names1,2,3,4,5).... for each of the octaves... pitch/timestretch 1 for each octave/keygroup... to fill the span of the keys... that prolly doesn't make any sense... but I'm sure it can be accomplish... theres a screen I've been trying to find since I loaded Ver 2.... that I still cant find... btw... when you load V2 where do the V1 sounds go... understanding the Vsynth is hell for me... then again... I'm still the dumbass the tries to figure everything out before I crack the manual, that way when I decide to finally read it... it feels like a brand new toy... Checkmate what was the second keyboard you copped...

alpha80 · 28th April 2006, 03:21 AM

RTFM = Read the f#@king manual

It was very non-descript regarding sampling.

I've already been doing it the hard way(manual) on the 4000, and before that on the ASR.

I've been looking for a 3rd sampler that can do this sh!t for sure...
... in automatic extra-lazy mode...

...and sound great doing it, for @ least one octave per sample.

"Auto-transpose pitch independent of time/duration", for a whole multisample

$$$ is of no concern, only sound quality/this function.

Thanks in advance.

Dr.Wu · 28th April 2006, 05:53 AM

The pitchshifting without changing time is what the V-synth is all about.
All you have to do is to record or import your sample, encode it (tell the V-Synth the original tempo and select one of the algorithms to analyze it like solo, ensemble, or backing and hit execute)
Then you create an init patch, select PCM for OSC 1 and select the user waveform you created from the waveformlist.
Make sure that the variphrase option in the PCM oscillator screen is active and bingo. You can play the sample all over the keyboard with no tempo change.
Of course the really useful range is limited to something like an octave maybe two. Further than that you will get artifacts but htose can sometimes sound really cool.
If you select the time sync feature in the PCM oscillator screen the sample will sync to the patch tempo or the midi clock and if you used the SOLO mode while encoding even the formants will be preserved so you dont get the chipmunk artifacts when transposing the sample upwards.
Solo encoded samples allow you to activate the robot dunction that eliminates all pitches in a melody. Sounds robotic but allows you to totally change the melody in a vocal phrase.
In any case you should try the legato function with vocalsamples (you can activate that in the PCM oscillator page as well).
When you play legato style(without lifting your fingers from the keyboard while playing a line) you can also superimpose new pitches unto a sampled melody.
Scary stuff!

Hope that helps.
If you have any more questions feel free to ask. I know this thing inside out.
If you want to i can mail you a patch that has everything already set up so you only have to do the import your own sample part.

Dr.Wu · 28th April 2006, 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by babyface_finsta

Whats RTFM... Oh... nevermind... I have a feeling you can accomplish that... you would prolly have to load the same sample 5 times (with different names1,2,3,4,5).... for each of the octaves... pitch/timestretch 1 for each octave/keygroup... to fill the span of the keys... that prolly doesn't make any sense... but I'm sure it can be accomplish... theres a screen I've been trying to find since I loaded Ver 2.... that I still cant find... btw... when you load V2 where do the V1 sounds go... understanding the Vsynth is hell for me... then again... I'm still the dumbass the tries to figure everything out before I crack the manual, that way when I decide to finally read it... it feels like a brand new toy... Checkmate what was the second keyboard you copped...

With V2 you get all new PCM waveforms so the 1.5 patches wouldnt work anymore.
Theres a download at www.Rolandus.com that gives you the V2 features with the 1.5 PCMs so you get kind of the best of both but then again those V2 patches are a lot hotter than the old ones so it only makes sense if you did a lot of custom patches with the old 1.5 PCM waveforms.
REad the manual-its definetly worth it. The V-Synth is a DEEP machine with way more features than most other synth out there and to get the most out of it you need to get under the hood a bit.

Dr.Wu · 28th April 2006, 06:01 AM

BTW there is a great online community for everything V-Synth related.

http://www.v-tribe.info/

cynic · 28th April 2006, 06:18 AM

kontakt > vsynth

Dr.Wu · 28th April 2006, 07:17 AM

apples>oranges

babyface_finsta · 28th April 2006, 01:27 PM

Dr. Wu.... that Patch would be greatly appreciated... my email is babyface_finsta@hotmail.com ... I'll make sure I got thru the manual this weekend, before I start asking any questions... how was the learning curve for you?

Dr.Wu · 28th April 2006, 04:12 PM

i will go to the studio this afternoon and send it to you.
Learning curve was quite easy but then again i work as a clinician for synthesizers and software so i deal with these kind of things on a daily basis.
Once you got the hang of elastic audio everything falls in place.
Analyzing the presets is a great to understand the structure of this thing.
Do you have the keyboard or the rack?

best
Dr.Wu

babyface_finsta · 28th April 2006, 05:09 PM

I have the Keyboard... I'm really looking forward to your patch/email...

alpha80 · 29th April 2006, 01:22 AM

Healing words from Dr. Wu...

Oranges it is...laziness is near...

...

Thanks bro.

Can I get some too ??? r.abdullah80@yahoo.com

bigbaby987 · 29th April 2006, 05:22 AM

to me the thing sounds incredible.... i really dig it. sounds better than the fantom in my opinion.

mangomixx · 22nd May 2006, 03:44 PM

Problem is that the Fantom comes with usable sounds, the V-synths are few and far between, they should've made a little more effort on the soundset.
I had to get a triton on top of it.

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25th April 2006, 09:51 AM	#1
MACHINE Gear addict Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 324	Roland V-Synth XT Do alot of people still use this, is it a overused piece ? Supposedly it was pretty popular back in the day anyway I'm just wondering about it.

25th April 2006, 05:46 PM	#3
themaestro Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: ATL Posts: 509	lol...back in the day, that thing just came out last year!!!! honestly, as dope as it looks, ive NEVER seen anybody use it or heard ANYBODY say ANYTHING about it __________________ I make beats!

25th April 2006, 10:22 PM	#6
Checkmate Muzik Gear maniac Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: 415 San Francisco BayArea Posts: 269	Do you just ask about these synths (9-10th post), buy them or do anything with the advice you get here? i asked about 2 synths and i went and bought both of them. hopefully you not wasting these peoples time. __________________ www.checkmatemuzik.net myspace.com/checkmatemuzik SLO-O 2nd album 'Devil On My Back' coming Aug 18th! Album Features: Styles-P, Allen Anthony, Brian Casey of Jagged Edge, Freeway of Rocafella! Checkmate's producer credits: Nas, Styles-P, Freeway

28th April 2006, 06:18 AM	#14
cynic Lives for gear Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: san jose, califas Posts: 1,953	kontakt > vsynth __________________ damaged goods - beyond repair, cd out now damaged goods - myspace page flying brick records clout online

25th April 2006, 06:08 PM	#4
Boby Stoica Gear maniac Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 281	Ppl on this forum tend to say it's pretty cool on hip-hop and "2006"-like dance..:).

25th April 2006, 07:07 PM	#5
Dr.Wu Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 592	i like it. nothing comes even close when it comes to sample tweaking. That elastic audio stuff is absolutely amazing. Great for mangling beats and vocals. The vocoder is dope to. Im not to crazy about the virtual analog section though. Its ok to beef up a sampled sound with but it cant touch any real analog synth for sure. On the other hand the D-50 emulation in this thing is absolutely perfect so if you dig those typical 80s synth sounds this is the closest you can get with todays technology. Its a very performance oriented synth. Gotta love the time trip pad because it gives you vector control over up to 16 parameters simultaneously. Quite incredible how much you can change sound with the touch of a finger. And since a long time its a real cool looking racksynth especially if you use the tilt function!

25th April 2006, 10:54 PM	#7
Nu Mixer Gear maniac Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 286	Yeah, this fool keeps asking the same questions. Do a search of all his posts and you will be amazed at his stupidity. STOP WASTING EVERYONE'S TIME, MACHINE!!

28th April 2006, 02:29 AM	#8
alpha80 Gear nut Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 84	For real. You come off like....a.... ...well...like a MACHINE. BTW, I got a serious question for V-Synth users... I already RTFM & everything...still confused... ...can I automatically pitch a single user-recorded sample into a full multisample up & down the keyrange, independent of time/duration ?? (all pitched keys automatically occupying time identical to original recording's duration) Thanks in advance.

28th April 2006, 02:59 AM	#9
babyface_finsta Gear addict Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: VA Posts: 315	Whats RTFM... Oh... nevermind... I have a feeling you can accomplish that... you would prolly have to load the same sample 5 times (with different names1,2,3,4,5).... for each of the octaves... pitch/timestretch 1 for each octave/keygroup... to fill the span of the keys... that prolly doesn't make any sense... but I'm sure it can be accomplish... theres a screen I've been trying to find since I loaded Ver 2.... that I still cant find... btw... when you load V2 where do the V1 sounds go... understanding the Vsynth is hell for me... then again... I'm still the dumbass the tries to figure everything out before I crack the manual, that way when I decide to finally read it... it feels like a brand new toy... Checkmate what was the second keyboard you copped...

28th April 2006, 03:21 AM	#10
alpha80 Gear nut Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 84	RTFM = Read the f#@king manual It was very non-descript regarding sampling. I've already been doing it the hard way(manual) on the 4000, and before that on the ASR. I've been looking for a 3rd sampler that can do this sh!t for sure... ... in automatic extra-lazy mode... ...and sound great doing it, for @ least one octave per sample. "Auto-transpose pitch independent of time/duration", for a whole multisample $$$ is of no concern, only sound quality/this function. Thanks in advance.

28th April 2006, 05:53 AM	#11
Dr.Wu Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 592	The pitchshifting without changing time is what the V-synth is all about. All you have to do is to record or import your sample, encode it (tell the V-Synth the original tempo and select one of the algorithms to analyze it like solo, ensemble, or backing and hit execute) Then you create an init patch, select PCM for OSC 1 and select the user waveform you created from the waveformlist. Make sure that the variphrase option in the PCM oscillator screen is active and bingo. You can play the sample all over the keyboard with no tempo change. Of course the really useful range is limited to something like an octave maybe two. Further than that you will get artifacts but htose can sometimes sound really cool. If you select the time sync feature in the PCM oscillator screen the sample will sync to the patch tempo or the midi clock and if you used the SOLO mode while encoding even the formants will be preserved so you dont get the chipmunk artifacts when transposing the sample upwards. Solo encoded samples allow you to activate the robot dunction that eliminates all pitches in a melody. Sounds robotic but allows you to totally change the melody in a vocal phrase. In any case you should try the legato function with vocalsamples (you can activate that in the PCM oscillator page as well). When you play legato style(without lifting your fingers from the keyboard while playing a line) you can also superimpose new pitches unto a sampled melody. Scary stuff! Hope that helps. If you have any more questions feel free to ask. I know this thing inside out. If you want to i can mail you a patch that has everything already set up so you only have to do the import your own sample part.

28th April 2006, 06:01 AM	#13
Dr.Wu Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 592	BTW there is a great online community for everything V-Synth related. http://www.v-tribe.info/

28th April 2006, 07:17 AM	#15
Dr.Wu Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 592	apples>oranges

28th April 2006, 01:27 PM	#16
babyface_finsta Gear addict Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: VA Posts: 315	Dr. Wu.... that Patch would be greatly appreciated... my email is babyface_finsta@hotmail.com ... I'll make sure I got thru the manual this weekend, before I start asking any questions... how was the learning curve for you?

28th April 2006, 04:12 PM	#17
Dr.Wu Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 592	i will go to the studio this afternoon and send it to you. Learning curve was quite easy but then again i work as a clinician for synthesizers and software so i deal with these kind of things on a daily basis. Once you got the hang of elastic audio everything falls in place. Analyzing the presets is a great to understand the structure of this thing. Do you have the keyboard or the rack? best Dr.Wu

28th April 2006, 05:09 PM	#18
babyface_finsta Gear addict Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: VA Posts: 315	I have the Keyboard... I'm really looking forward to your patch/email...

29th April 2006, 01:22 AM	#19
alpha80 Gear nut Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 84	Healing words from Dr. Wu... Oranges it is...laziness is near... ... Thanks bro. Can I get some too ??? r.abdullah80@yahoo.com

29th April 2006, 05:22 AM	#20
bigbaby987 Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 529	to me the thing sounds incredible.... i really dig it. sounds better than the fantom in my opinion.

22nd May 2006, 03:44 PM	#21
mangomixx Gear Head Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 58	Problem is that the Fantom comes with usable sounds, the V-synths are few and far between, they should've made a little more effort on the soundset. I had to get a triton on top of it.

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