giving Gun Shots punch

jaepilla · 27th March 2006

Im always having people want gun shots in there songs and when i usually put some in songs for people they don't have as much punch as hear in commercial songs, i was just wondering if there is a certain plugin i would need or compression setting?? Im working w pro tools and loads of plugins and im just wondering how could i make this happen...........

con?one · 27th March 2006

get a better sample

PeeWeeGee · 27th March 2006

Try sweeping through the spectrum with an EQ to see where the sweet spot of the sample is. You can get a little boost out of that. Gating sometimes helps, too.
Otherwise, look for a better sample.

auxpot · 27th March 2006

the problem with gunshot samples is that when you hear a real shot (in real life) it will simply totally distort in your ears, because it´s´way too heavy for the human ears...
but samples mostly are well recorded, means the mics are not overdrived...it´s a psychological thing that these samples always sound weak compared to what you have in your imagination...

i would try to heavenly distort these samples and then compress it to get it thick and tight....that should provide an impact you´d expect from an gunshot....

jaepilla · 27th March 2006

i already know that i definetely have good samples, im basically comparing them to the effects i've heard in some commercial recordings where the shots really come out and jump at you....

smartasses

petsematary · 27th March 2006

Usually, the gun shots on sound effects libraries and such have way too much reverb on 'em. I'd love to have some gunshots around with no reverb at all.

con?one · 27th March 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaepilla

i already know that i definetely have good samples, im basically comparing them to the effects i've heard in some commercial recordings where the shots really come out and jump at you....

smartasses

wasn't being a smart ass... i'm dead ****iing serious.
i have tons of gun shot sounds that HIT you, without any editing or eq.. try the lucasfilm library

Telecastr · 27th March 2006

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Originally Posted by Labs

Best-Topic-Ever...

Gustav

[insert sarcasm] Gets my vote for best thread of 2006.

s-boogie · 27th March 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Labs

Best-Topic-Ever...

Gustav

jaepilla · 27th March 2006

thanks to those of you provided "HELPFUL" feedback

to the other sarcastic butholes i hope your studio burns down!!

I KNOW ITS A BIT HARSH BUT I CAN'T STAND ASSHOLES!!

blayz2002 · 27th March 2006

Maybe try subtley mixing a snare sound under neath ...I'm almost sure this is what Dre does in some of his tracks...you just need to pick the right snare.

Relax · 27th March 2006

dfegad

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaepilla

to the other sarcastic butholes i hope your studio burns down!!

Syki · 27th March 2006

With sounds such as gunshots and certain types of hits, placement in the mix is key.

You don't want it to clip the meters or be to weak as to be non effective.
As someone said earlier ,distortion helps a lot used with compression.

I use my distressor for this. You can add a touch of distortion and place it perfectly
in the mix with much crunch. Sometimes a little EQ is needed depending on the sample.

RoundBadge · 27th March 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaepilla

to the other sarcastic butholes i hope your studio burns down!!

I usaully track gunshots to tape first with a couple mics..Nagra
..tape copression works wonders
digital doesn't handle them well[dat.etc]

PS jaepilla:Get a sense of humor..It might help you survive here..tutt

jsrockit · 27th March 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by con?one

get a better sample

or a better gun...

petsematary · 27th March 2006

Btw, what kind of 50 cent wannabee wants gunshots in songs?

27th March 2006

I agree with Con, GET A BETTER SAMPLE.

Use the General series or something from Lucas

HONESTLY for me it's the other way around listening to good libraries and the dimension they get and wondering why my own samples (categorized by caliber and recorded on the 4th of July when nobody wonders why you are shooting a gun into the dirt and recording it with a portable DAT machine)

I often place the samples beneath snares to make snrs bigger, so it's funny to hear someone placing snrs beneath shots to make em bigger

GET A BETTER SAMPLE

thethrillfactor · 27th March 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsrockit

or a better gun...

or better bullets?

everybody's x · 27th March 2006

I simulated a gunshot once by smacking the shite out of an air conditioner with a 2x4 run through a lexicon

in 1989

I'd tell them don't do it, it's played out and completely been done to death

then again I record tool wannabes all day

con?one · 27th March 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaepilla

thanks to those of you provided "HELPFUL" feedback

to the other sarcastic butholes i hope your studio burns down!!

I KNOW ITS A BIT HARSH BUT I CAN'T STAND ASSHOLES!!

you need a laxative? a hug? what is it??

grahluk · 27th March 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sounds Great

Are we talking 44 magnum? 22? 30/6 shotgun?

There are many different acceptable gunshots. And like a lot of sound effects, synthesis of the wanted sound may come off better than an actual recording/sample. It may be better using a drum.

I love the big bang on Aerosmith's 'Janie's Got A Gun'. And they pull it off live as well. Sounds huge! But it sure ain't a real gunshot.

+1 most entertainment gunfire audio is an exaggeration of the real thing. Even when you are in hearing damage range of the real thing it's a bit too sharp and thin sounding for what we want to hear on album, TV, or movies. Even .308 battle rifle cartridges sound like super loud snaps. Synthesize it, layer it, etc. Fer instance it was known that the old Miami Vice show used gunshots mixed with varisped gator growls for their cheese. Have fun.

InsaneMixaken · 27th March 2006

I found some dope gunshots from Lucas and the Sony libraries

Ben-G · 27th March 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by thethrillfactor

or better bullets?

or better gun powder !!!!

ShamansDream · 27th March 2006

To capture the best shotgun sound you need to use an old mussel loader. A black powder, 56 cal with about a 36" barrel. These things give you that 'roar' sound that are captured much better by microphones (about 20-50ft away and in front of). Also be sure to pick the location well since all places resonate differently. In the woods with very leafy trees helps capture a very clean sound.

"who me, occifer... me shooting in these here woods... nawww... ...I heard some shots off yonder earlier!!!"

fuuck

**TonyBelmont** · 27th March 2006

One day years ago, the Beatnuts were in a studio in NYC, they wanted a gunshot sound on the song so they tell the engineer to start recording... take out a gun and start shooting in the live room.... My buddy the engineer nearly sh!t himself...

cynic one · 27th March 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

One day years ago, the Beatnuts were in a studio in NYC, they wanted a gunshot sound on the song so they tell the engineer to start recording... take out a gun and start shooting in the live room.... My buddy the engineer nearly sh!t himself...

GANGSTA

jlotto · 28th March 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by con?one

get a better sample

sample one from a movie

or use the stock gunshots everyone uses from the instant replay machine and run it thru a mirrored channel of ur vocal bus

jsrockit · 28th March 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

One day years ago, the Beatnuts were in a studio in NYC, they wanted a gunshot sound on the song so they tell the engineer to start recording... take out a gun and start shooting in the live room.... My buddy the engineer nearly sh!t himself...

Damn, the beatnuts?

**TonyBelmont** · 28th March 2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsrockit

Damn, the beatnuts?

He said it was the Beatnuts, this was 6-7 years ago..

chester · 28th March 2006

boooooom. hope this have enough punch.

27th March 2006	#1
jaepilla Gear interested Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 25 Thread Starter	giving Gun Shots punch Im always having people want gun shots in there songs and when i usually put some in songs for people they don't have as much punch as hear in commercial songs, i was just wondering if there is a certain plugin i would need or compression setting?? Im working w pro tools and loads of plugins and im just wondering how could i make this happen........... __________________ http://www.myspace.com/groundzeroproductions

27th March 2006	#3
PeeWeeGee Gear addict Joined: Feb 2006 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 473	Try sweeping through the spectrum with an EQ to see where the sweet spot of the sample is. You can get a little boost out of that. Gating sometimes helps, too. Otherwise, look for a better sample. __________________ Ideas are like stars; you will not succeed in touching them with your hands. But like the seafaring man on the desert of waters, you choose them as your guides, and following them you will reach your destiny. - Carl Schurz

27th March 2006	#11
blayz2002 Lives for gear Joined: Aug 2005 Location: London UK Posts: 884	Maybe try subtley mixing a snare sound under neath ...I'm almost sure this is what Dre does in some of his tracks...you just need to pick the right snare. __________________ "This is what I love about mixing though ...it's never the same twice"!

27th March 2006	#19
everybody's x Lives for gear Joined: Sep 2004 Location: kansas city Posts: 1,618	I simulated a gunshot once by smacking the shite out of an air conditioner with a 2x4 run through a lexicon in 1989 I'd tell them don't do it, it's played out and completely been done to death then again I record tool wannabes all day __________________ Dave

27th March 2006	#25
TonyBelmont Moderator Joined: Feb 2004 Location: Boston,MA Providence,RI Posts: 15,927	One day years ago, the Beatnuts were in a studio in NYC, they wanted a gunshot sound on the song so they tell the engineer to start recording... take out a gun and start shooting in the live room.... My buddy the engineer nearly sh!t himself... __________________ Tony Belmont We Sell Gear! High Profile Audio.....PluginDiscounts.com I may on occasion talk about some of the products I am a dealer for in my posts.. and that's OK! I sell them because I like them. Not vice versa. It's more fun to talk about things you know and love, then things you don't.

27th March 2006	#2
con?one Lives for gear Joined: Dec 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 663	get a better sample

27th March 2006	#4
auxpot Gear maniac Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 193	the problem with gunshot samples is that when you hear a real shot (in real life) it will simply totally distort in your ears, because it´s´way too heavy for the human ears... but samples mostly are well recorded, means the mics are not overdrived...it´s a psychological thing that these samples always sound weak compared to what you have in your imagination... i would try to heavenly distort these samples and then compress it to get it thick and tight....that should provide an impact you´d expect from an gunshot....

27th March 2006	#6
petsematary Lives for gear Joined: Apr 2005 Location: East Coast, Sweden Posts: 1,491	Usually, the gun shots on sound effects libraries and such have way too much reverb on 'em. I'd love to have some gunshots around with no reverb at all.

27th March 2006	#13
Syki Lives for gear Joined: Jun 2003 Location: east coast Posts: 698	With sounds such as gunshots and certain types of hits, placement in the mix is key. You don't want it to clip the meters or be to weak as to be non effective. As someone said earlier ,distortion helps a lot used with compression. I use my distressor for this. You can add a touch of distortion and place it perfectly in the mix with much crunch. Sometimes a little EQ is needed depending on the sample.

27th March 2006	#17
no ssl yet Guest Posts: n/a	I agree with Con, GET A BETTER SAMPLE. Use the General series or something from Lucas HONESTLY for me it's the other way around listening to good libraries and the dimension they get and wondering why my own samples (categorized by caliber and recorded on the 4th of July when nobody wonders why you are shooting a gun into the dirt and recording it with a portable DAT machine) I often place the samples beneath snares to make snrs bigger, so it's funny to hear someone placing snrs beneath shots to make em bigger GET A BETTER SAMPLE

27th March 2006	#22
InsaneMixaken Gear maniac Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 157	I found some dope gunshots from Lucas and the Sony libraries

27th March 2006	#24
ShamansDream Gear addict Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 392	To capture the best shotgun sound you need to use an old mussel loader. A black powder, 56 cal with about a 36" barrel. These things give you that 'roar' sound that are captured much better by microphones (about 20-50ft away and in front of). Also be sure to pick the location well since all places resonate differently. In the woods with very leafy trees helps capture a very clean sound. "who me, occifer... me shooting in these here woods... nawww... ...I heard some shots off yonder earlier!!!" fuuck

28th March 2006	#30
chester Gear addict Joined: Aug 2005 Location: the whole world Posts: 369	boooooom. hope this have enough punch.

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