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| Gear nut Join Date: Jan 2006
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| ANALOG TAPE SOUND ive been hearing about producers like madlib and dilla running their beats through a tape machine to achieve a warm analog sound. exactly what kind of tape machine.. and do you actually record it on the taoe or just run it through the mACHINE?? |
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| Gear nut Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: TULSA, OKLAHOMA
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| most likely there recording to tape then dumping back into there computer for editing. www.myspace.com/nfinis |
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| Gear nut Join Date: May 2005 Location: Brooklyn
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| ...a lot of hip-hop cats master to tape to achieve a little 'tape warmth' to their tracks... Look into a old 1/4" 2-track to mess around with. You can find something with decent head-life left for between $500-$1000. Good luck, have fun. tommy |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Jersey
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| Madlib records to a Tascam digital multitracker... and his beats are not exactly warm. |
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| Gear nut Join Date: May 2005 Location: Brooklyn
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..that's right, cause we're talking about 'analog' tape bringing 'warmth' to tracks, not digital multi-trackers. | |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada
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| I really don't care if ppl flame me for this I stick with it.... There are many quality plugins these days which do a darn good job of generating Tape Saturation. Save your money and go with them. If your loaded with cash, got a big room, got money to spend on tape, and want to live analog : then By all means get urself a sweet Reel 2 Reel. I just want to reinterate the point that some of the 'poor man's solutions' (i.e. tape emulation) aren't nessicarily that 'poor' Good luck with ur traxx every1, Scott |
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| Gear Head Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: London
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| Another option you could go for is the Empirical Labs EL-7 FATSO or the new Rupert Neve Portico 5042-H Two-Channel "True Tape" Emulator. At least with these units your keeping it analog and your investing in a new unit, not an old reel 2 reel that might not last. ![]() |
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Analog Channel Cranesong Pheonix & Check this one Out PPL | |
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| Gear maniac Join Date: Apr 2004
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__________________ The best of music is from an analog tape. | |
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| Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New York City
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I used to asst. a production team where the producer would create a "beat" on an ASR-10...then utilizing the the (2)Outputs of the ASR, the beat would be played back one instrument at a time while a 2" was rolling with lots of sync boxes and stuff. Everything was tracked in pairs, this took a long time. In the end it all was dumped back into pro tools and mixed to a SV3800 believe it or not. | |
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| Gear maniac Join Date: Apr 2004
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| I never knew that a plug-in can sound like a 2" tape. Analog tape has a big rich punch to die for. There is a button on a 747 that puts out a tube sound. I thought that was amazing, but it's still no analog tape.
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| U all go right ahead with your plugin thingies, I'm getting a tape machine first chance I get |
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| Gear nut Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Washington DC
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| the genre itslef Hip Hop is not known for its sonic quality to begin with (with the exception of Dre, amd probably a few others). Leave the warmth to the experts; get your tracks mastered. Honestly I would use an mpc60 + 16 channel allen heath or soundcraft + 160xt compressors + ADAT to create "warmth." |
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| Gear maniac Join Date: Apr 2004
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| Dre got a 2" tape. ....and you're right about leaving it to the masters.
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| Gear maniac Join Date: Jan 2006
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| Plug in tape saturation also has my endorsement. But then again, I'm going to be using the cassette four track for that garage sound. |
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Not to jump on you, but it's misinformation that kills the Classic gearslutz IMO I have never used an Allen Heath board (that I remember) But what does a Soundcraft board, a dbx 160xt or an ADAT have to do with Warmth? ![]() | |
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| Gear Head Join Date: Feb 2006
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| Here a further example. DAW vs. Tape. With a special "extended" 2 - Track Tape. Consider the frequency response DAW and Tape. All files are in 24 bits - 96 kHz - No EQ, no Compressor... Converter Lavry http://www.musicfiles.homepage.t-onl...iginalFile.wav http://www.musicfiles.homepage.t-onl...fTape15ips.wav
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| Affinity: To answer your questions directly: Lib/Dilla hasn't used tape for awhile. I'd say 99/2000 would be a safe bet on when they both put tape down. After that it was all about HDR's and Lappies for them. As far what tape/tape machines they used, who's to say. I know when Dilla was recording LabCab he was cutting on 2" (multi-track). I'd only be guessing as to what brand of tape and what particular machines though. And yea, you actually record on the tape. Not just through the machine. - To the others who suggested that plug-ins can yield results similar or close to tape, your outta your minds! Heres a good comparison, Coca Cola (Tape) verses Wal-Mart Select Cola (Plug-in). Not to mention theirs so many variables. They call themselves tape emulators, but what kinda tape sound are the emulating? An MCI machine? Otari? Studer? Ampex? 1/4", 1/2", 1", 2"? 15 ips? 30 ips? Properly aligned? Unaligned? The list goes on. |
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| I've used analog channel, pheonix, and DUY tape on both Madlib and Dilla tracks over the past couple of years. I really like the new TDM plugin "tape-head" that some guy is selling for only $69... more aggressive than pheonix. The above post is correct that Lib and Dilla abandoned physical tape around the turn of the millenium. Alot of Madlib and Dilla's tape sound is already in the samples they use(d) off of vinyl. |
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| Gear Head Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NYC
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| the Roland Space Echo is DOPE. and they just released a plugin of it on Universal Audio.com |
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| i got a question, that ive never had fully explained----sound is just frequency and amplitude, correct? so "warmth" is usually referring to a less high-endy sound, and slight boosts in the low-low-mid area, and perhaps some added compression... so can't a good ear "warm" something up with compressors and eq's?? i understand that perhaps maybe these tape machines are compressing only certain frequencies, but a c4 plugin can do that... i don't know what metaphysical means, but WARMTH means a tasteful addition of low mid frequencies and reduction of certain high frequencies... why does everyone need a tape machine to do that?? What magic does tape perform that you can't do with an eq or compressors?? |
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| Tape does a lot of different things... it's saturation (0 attack time compression), distortion, biasing up and back down, eq, etc. It's hard enough to get right in an emulation plug-in... but you won't be able to fake it with eq and compression only. There's high freq. smearing, 2nd order harmonics, all sorts of stuff to give it "warmth". |
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| high frequency smearing? that sounds like compression of the highs------and i think whatever harmonics are being produced is due to the compression... i guess zero attck time compression is impossible to recreate, but as opposed to 3ms?? can you with confidence, or can anybody with confidence pick out the song that was sent to tape as opposed to the song that was eq'd and compressed to emulate that sound.... and of course, if you say yes, a challenge will be presented....i would imagine it to be like a water tasting contest, between brands of bottled water.... |
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