T- Pain effect?

[InsaneMixaken]

Im looking for a plug in that will give me that "Im sprung" by T-Pain vocoder effect anyone have any suggestions? or ideas how I can create one..thnx

[mammath]

I'm quite sure that effect is Autotune. And if it isn't, you certainly can use extreme settings in Autotune to achieve those results.
Actually, Cher's "Believe" had a very similar effect used, if you remember. Many thought it was Autotune but was actually a Korg VC10 anologue vocoder. According to the article below, it's a rare piece from the '70's.

You can read about Recording Cher's 'Believe' here. Scroll down to That Vocal Trick In Full section of the article:

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb9.../tracks661.htm

[filterayok]

that is auto tune if ive ever heard it--------and if theres one thing ive heard, its auto tune

[TonyBelmont]

Why the hell would you want to do that???



Stop...





Please...





Don't!!!

[Paul David]

Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

Why the hell would you want to do that???



Stop...





Please...





Don't!!!

Agreed.

[InsaneMixaken]

just expeirimenting on some female vocals and one have any suggestions on some settings?

[Methlab]

yeah! its funny this thread was made because I was just listening to this record and getting really annoyed with the autotune. I can't believe people still do that to songs.

[InsaneMixaken]

if it makes a gold or platinum record you got to do what pays the bills a few of my clients wanted the effect Im asking for.

[Methlab]

Thats a big IF....but good luck, I hope you pull it off.

[InsaneMixaken]

check the BDS or Sound Scan on T- Pain pretty much answer it on its own...Im not really asking for any opinions just a way on how to get the effect

[Methlab]

autotune..spend a lot of time in graphical mode. if you are really musical you can sing the notes you want and pitch them so they sound completely natural. then you can take that and adjust them so they sound exaggerated, like cher or whatever.

And I know all about the soundscan #s of Tpain. Does that mean others copying the sound will sell like that? Not neccesarily....but good luck, and I hope it works out.

[InsaneMixaken]

thanx I figured it out on Auto Tune......thanks for the help

[TonyBelmont]

You gotta do what keeps your clients happy. I personally would rather listen to nails being raked across a chalkboard...

[PhonoquO]

a good poppy song is a good poppy song. the hardest part is giving people what they want while satisfying your ego and personal production standards.

[filterayok]

Originally Posted by Methlab

autotune..spend a lot of time in graphical mode. if you are really musical you can sing the notes you want and pitch them so they sound completely natural. then you can take that and adjust them so they sound exaggerated, like cher or whatever.

i dont know, i'd bet they just slapped on general autotune set to fast and relaxed-----why do you think you;d have to mess with graphical mode??

[Tommy Mas]

experiment and **** around and come up with something fresh and unique, opposed to just recycling someone elses sound and style.

why do so many people on here always wanna sound just like other people ?

just do you.

[PeeWeeGee]

While many of one might be very creative, you're also probably BROKE.

Your client can't be "wrong" in how they want something done. The best you can do (especially as a demo producer) is present other options they may not be aware of. Forcing a creative idea down your client's throat is worse than "following the herd", because 1) the client probably won't offer return business unless you wow them with your results and 2) you creative strong-arming might become synomomous with your name.

Real feedback from someone doing it in a real world everyday...

PWG

[Methlab]

i dont know, i'd bet they just slapped on general autotune set to fast and relaxed-----why do you think you;d have to mess with graphical mode??

they probably did...but he was asking all about autotune and how it works. So i think if you want to learn autotune, you need to learn graphical mode...also the program is much more powerful, even for Tpain type of vocals because you can control when the effect should be more prominent.

[Methlab]

Your client can't be "wrong" in how they want something done. The best you can do (especially as a demo producer) is present other options they may not be aware of. Forcing a creative idea down your client's throat is worse than "following the herd", because 1) the client probably won't offer return business unless you wow them with your results and 2) you creative strong-arming might become synomomous with your name.

i have to disagree..well kind of. I know a guy who started as a demo producer and was very much a strong arming producer. He also really knows his shit, and makes bands sound a thousand times better then they would be without him. Because of this, his rep got big in ahurry, and he produced some bands that got signed directly because of his production and cowriting.

Now he only does label work and is making well in the 6 figures.

In fact every producer I know that really blew up and made a ton of money was always doing it how they wanted it, because they had a great vision and the bands/artists would benefit from it.

Disclaimer is that those guys are super talented and can outplay most musicians in the studio..and also have great ideas. If this is not you then PeeWee's advice should be taken.

[PeeWeeGee]

Meth -

My point, exactly. If your results are stellar and you wow your clients - you are on the right path. But I would recommend that you never summarily dismiss what your client wants to do. Usually, I will present my ideas as an alternative to what they are asking for. I run about a 98% success for doing things my way.

I, too, am on the fast track to big paydays and label work exclusively. But, right now, I still grind and dance to the beat. Trust me, when Jive A&Rs make a SPECIFIC request; it's not really a request.

PWG

[filterayok]

Originally Posted by Methlab

they probably did...but he was asking all about autotune and how it works. So i think if you want to learn autotune, you need to learn graphical mode...also the program is much more powerful, even for Tpain type of vocals because you can control when the effect should be more prominent.

tru----you can also do that by automating the bypass or automating the speed--- i sometimes think that graphical is best when you're almost trying to make the tuning unnoticable, as opposed to a blatent "AUTUNE!!!" sound... which i have to admit, i'm not completely against...sometimes it sounds cool, especially on people with really plain, drab voices who can hardly sing (like myself), it adds SOMETHING that makes it somewhat listenable... i just think its a horrible thing if you're dealing with a great voice and singer, that can hold up the song on their own...

[Methlab]

yeah, im going to start using Atune for other shit besides vocals, just to **** around..I am burnt on it as a vocal effect, but I used to love it too.

[Angel_Lopez]

I've heard T-Pain uses a vocoder w/ a synthesizer...I know it's not a talk box.. because I'm a talk boxer my self, and I know what the t-box is like... Many people say its the auto tune... but I doubt it is... I'm sure you can get a close sound, but you wont get the same effect...

Stop by and check out the video to a song I produced w/ MC Magic from Nb Ridaz... he gets down on the talk box...

www.myspace.com/lopez_a
www.myspace.com/mcmagic
www.myspace.com/nbridaz

my 2 cents

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[TonyBelmont]

That shit is straight up Auto Tune. I can literally hear him jumping in and out of pitch.

[a2dpapi]

We used autotune.....automatic....slow tracking , fast tuning. The Cher setting!!!

cheers
Josh

[STARSKI]

so all this trash is gonna be talked but nobodies gonna give up any tips on how to get that kind of sound? i'm not saying its something you want to overdo or use on everything or you want to do it just because someone else is but what if you have a song you might think it would work on well. anyways any tips on how to get it right out there???

[Checkmate Muzik]

Originally Posted by TonyBelmont

Why the hell would you want to do that???



Stop...





Please...





Don't!!!

lol

[STARSKI]

so still no settings etc?

[TonyBelmont]

Originally Posted by STARSKI

so still no settings etc?

A2dpapi had it right...

automatic....slow tracking , fast tuning.

[InsaneMixaken]

Peep the snipp of what it sounds like on my voice hit me anyone needs the settings...holla

T pain's Voice