DW drum sample drum library.

[B.P.M]

All the drum sample libraries seem to be made on Gretsch, Ludwig, great for Rock but not for Funk and R&B.

All the drum sample libraries I’ve heard sound like Rock & Roll sets, with the snare
drum tuned too low for Rap or R&B and the toms like cardbaord boxes, ala Tommy Lee.

DW drums sound great, anyone know of a DW sample drum library?

[lordmiguel]

Originally Posted by B.P.M

All the drum sample libraries seem to be made on Gretsch, Ludwig, great for Rock but not for Funk and R&B.

All the drum sample libraries I’ve heard sound like Rock & Roll sets, with the snare
drum tuned too low for Rap or R&B and the toms like cardbaord boxes, ala Tommy Lee.

DW drums sound great, anyone know of a DW sample drum library?

BFD has DW kits. there's others i'm sure on sample cd's but i don't use loops. if you're into real drums, there's lots of real kits, in addition to bfd, dfh superior & custom and larry seyer (giga only ). of course, they're kits only and dry so they need all the processing a real kit would. i find i need all of them to get the convincing sounds i need. obviously we're still in the infancy of real multisampled instruments, its not that easy to get a good sound.

[MIDIchlorian]

Originally Posted by B.P.M

All the drum sample libraries seem to be made on Gretsch, Ludwig, great for Rock but not for Funk and R&B.

All the drum sample libraries I’ve heard sound like Rock & Roll sets, with the snare
drum tuned too low for Rap or R&B and the toms like cardbaord boxes, ala Tommy Lee.

DW drums sound great, anyone know of a DW sample drum library?

If you need HIPHOP drum sounds there is only 1 place to go
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[Maddstone]

Originally Posted by illbeats

If you need HIPHOP drum sounds there is only 1 place to go
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Hey Ill, think it would be better for u to PM the info to BPM.Gotta adhere to the rules cuz.

[Farview]

Gretch and Ludwig drums don't sound that much different than DW's. It's all in the tuning and processing. Some of the 'cardboardy' tom sounds will turn into what you want with a little EQ and compression.

A lot of sample CDs are just raw sounds. You are the one that needs to do the processing to make them into what you want. Even pitch shifting a snare drum up to where you want it.

If a company came out with a sample CD and they processed all the sounds, it would be useful to a very small group of people looking for those exact sounds. When they give you the raw sounds, you can make them your own.

[B.P.M]

Originally Posted by Farview

Gretch and Ludwig drums don't sound that much different than DW's. It's all in the tuning and processing. Some of the 'cardboardy' tom sounds will turn into what you want with a little EQ and compression.

A lot of sample CDs are just raw sounds. You are the one that needs to do the processing to make them into what you want. Even pitch shifting a snare drum up to where you want it.

If a company came out with a sample CD and they processed all the sounds, it would be useful to a very small group of people looking for those exact sounds. When they give you the raw sounds, you can make them your own.

Your absolutely right about the tuning process in the drums.

You can’t fix the ring / tone of a tom or snare with EQ, compression or pitch shifting.

It has to be tuned correctly from the beginning.

I listened to the new "Funk" set from Fxpansion and I thought it was awful.

http://www.fxpansion.com/product-jnf-main.php

The toms sounded dull as a cardboard box. They had no ring and the snares were
tuned too low for funk.

THIS is how a funk drum set should sound.

http://www.cduniverse.com/productinf...16625178&BAB=M

Listen to Track number 7 Cool Wit It

You don’t get to hear the toms in this short clip but you do hear them in the rest
of the song. That’s how an acoustic Funk drumset should sound IMHOP.

[lordmiguel]

Originally Posted by B.P.M

YThat’s how an acoustic Funk drumset should sound IMHOP.

that's a highly processed kit, ton of compression, gating and eq. you either have to start with already processed samples (i'm betting this is not a real "kit" per se, but i could be wrong) or you really have to know how to mix drums to get something that tight and hyped, good outboard comps help a lot. you can't compare the bfd to this directly because their demo's have lots of room mics in their demos (tht can be removed)....they do have a damping/gating function in bfd for each piece but you're right, most of the bfd kits are not tuned that great. if someone was to ask me for this type of sound, i'd start with the motif es rack kits and add dfh superior & custom, use lots of parallel comps, gating, eq's etc and leave most room info out of the mix. its possible that's a kick recorded with a subkick, but i can't say for sure. you're probabaly not gonna walk out the door with a kit that has this sound on a sample cd, its a very specialized sound, record it yourself or try the dfh. if you do find such a kit, post it here.

[B.P.M]

Originally Posted by lordmiguel

that's a highly processed kit, ton of compression, gating and eq. you either have to start with already processed samples (i'm betting this is not a real "kit" per se, but i could be wrong) or you really have to know how to mix drums to get something that tight and hyped, good outboard comps help a lot. you can't compare the bfd to this directly because their demo's have lots of room mics in their demos (tht can be removed)....they do have a damping/gating function in bfd for each piece but you're right, most of the bfd kits are not tuned that great. if someone was to ask me for this type of sound, i'd start with the motif es rack kits and add dfh superior & custom, use lots of parallel comps, gating, eq's etc and leave most room info out of the mix. its possible that's a kick recorded with a subkick, but i can't say for sure. you're probabaly not gonna walk out the door with a kit that has this sound on a sample cd, its a very specialized sound, record it yourself or try the dfh. if you do find such a kit, post it here.

If I’m buying a drum sample library, it’s because I don’t have a recording room or an SSL, expensive compressors, mics and EQ’s.

Plus, as soon as you label your drum library as Jazz & Funk, the drums should be
tuned, compressed, Eqed and miced to reflect that sound, that’s what I’m paying them for.

I think FXpansion’s BFD sounds great for rock but not for Jazz & Funk.

Same goes for Reason Drum Kits 2 ReFill, they sound great for Rock but absolutely suck for Funk, R & B and Rap.

[lordmiguel]

Originally Posted by B.P.M

If I’m buying a drum sample library, it’s because I don’t have a recording room or an SSL, expensive compressors, mics and EQ’s.

Plus, as soon as you label your drum library as Jazz & Funk, the drums should be
tuned, compressed, Eqed and miced to reflect that sound, that’s what I’m paying them for.

I think FXpansion’s BFD sounds great for rock but not for Jazz & Funk.

Same goes for Reason Drum Kits 2 ReFill, they sound great for Rock but absolutely suck for Funk, R & B and Rap.

yes, sure, but there's an infinite amount of variations of how any kit could sound / get mixed, mic'd, tuned, if your opinion of how it should sound catches on, you could make some good money. if not, well then that's capitalism. i think these guys are selling relatively unprocessed kits is to increase the appeal /market for their product and not get locked into a sound. it seems to me where the market has been going is processed loops or unprocessed kits. personally, i thought there would be much more selection in the year 2006, but then again i don't know the economics of that business. for me, i see it as an opportunity, as it is harder to get a good drum sound and that will give those that do an edge.

[B.P.M]

Originally Posted by lordmiguel

yes, sure, but there's an infinite amount of variations of how any kit could sound / get mixed, mic'd, tuned, if your opinion of how it should sound catches on, you could make some good money. if not, well then that's capitalism. i think these guys are selling relatively unprocessed kits is to increase the appeal /market for their product and not get locked into a sound. it seems to me where the market has been going is processed loops or unprocessed kits. personally, i thought there would be much more selection in the year 2006, but then again i don't know the economics of that business. for me, i see it as an opportunity, as it is harder to get a good drum sound and that will give those that do an edge.

Yeah, I know there is a billion sample CD’s with the same 808 hits but how
about a nicely recorded, punchy acoustic drum set for funk and R& B?

Is there a market for it?

Well, who is more likely to collect all kinds of drum samples, a rock producer or a Rap
Producer?

Answer: Rap Producer

Who is more likely to use a real drummer in a session and not program his own beats?

Answer: Rock Producer

It’s a no brainer, of course there is a market for a nicely recorded, punchy acoustic drum set for funk and R& B.

BTW, I *know* it ironic. The example I posted is of a real drummer playing real drums that hasn’t been chopped up and time corrected by the producer. That is extremely really rare to hear nowadays, so it is the exception to the rule.

[bigbone]

i do own a couple of DW kit,( i'm a drummer ), and i do my sesion, i do remote session,
the client are always please with the sound of the DW,,,they are PERFECT,,,,

[lordmiguel]

Originally Posted by B.P.M

Yeah, I know there is a billion sample CD’s with the same 808 hits but how
about a nicely recorded, punchy acoustic drum set for funk and R& B?

Is there a market for it?

Well, who is more likely to collect all kinds of drum samples, a rock producer or a Rap
Producer?

Answer: Rap Producer

Who is more likely to use a real drummer in a session and not program his own beats?

Answer: Rock Producer

It’s a no brainer, of course there is a market for a nicely recorded, punchy acoustic drum set for funk and R& B.

BTW, I *know* it ironic. The example I posted is of a real drummer playing real drums that hasn’t been chopped up and time corrected by the producer. That is extremely really rare to hear nowadays, so it is the exception to the rule.

yeah, i like the sound too. i'd be thrilled if you made that kit and sold it. but it does sound quite chopped up to me, not that there's anything wrong wth that, cuz i like that sound (open to flames)

[Angus_FX]

If I’m buying a drum sample library, it’s because I don’t have a recording room or an SSL, expensive compressors, mics and EQ’s.
Plus, as soon as you label your drum library as Jazz & Funk, the drums should be
tuned, compressed, Eqed and miced to reflect that sound, that’s what I’m paying them for.

That's not what BFD is about. Yes, the drums are tuned, mic'ed and played to reflect a jazzy sort of sound (in the jazz & funk pack), but the compression and EQ we leave up to you.

An SSL, a good room, nice drum kits and boutique mics and preamps are still the preserve of the relatively-few. With a UAD-1, anybody can get perfectly good (if not the very best) compression and EQ.

BFD has always been the equivalent of fresh ingredients -- out of the box, it'll sound darker and dirtier than (for example) the Motif drums. It's probably not the right pack for getting uber-polished drums like those on the track you posted.. then again, to my ears that's modern R'n'B -- when I think funk, I'm thinking Earth, Wind & Fire, James Brown, Parliament etc..

If you want something a lot cleaner, there's a pack called GSCW Drums made by a guy called Savador Pelaez:-
http://www.geocities.com/duro7878/gs_drums_start.html
Runs in HALion, free download (I think at one point he was selling it for $99 or something).
http://www.geocities.com/duro7878/cw_dk_buy-now.html

HTH,
Angus.

[B.P.M]

Originally Posted by Angus_FX

That's not what BFD is about. Yes, the drums are tuned, mic'ed and played to reflect a jazzy sort of sound (in the jazz & funk pack), but the compression and EQ we leave up to you.

An SSL, a good room, nice drum kits and boutique mics and preamps are still the preserve of the relatively-few. With a UAD-1, anybody can get perfectly good (if not the very best) compression and EQ.

BFD has always been the equivalent of fresh ingredients -- out of the box, it'll sound darker and dirtier than (for example) the Motif drums. It's probably not the right pack for getting uber-polished drums like those on the track you posted.. then again, to my ears that's modern R'n'B -- when I think funk, I'm thinking Earth, Wind & Fire, James Brown, Parliament etc..

If you want something a lot cleaner, there's a pack called GSCW Drums made by a guy called Savador Pelaez:-
http://www.geocities.com/duro7878/gs_drums_start.html
Runs in HALion, free download (I think at one point he was selling it for $99 or something).
http://www.geocities.com/duro7878/cw_dk_buy-now.html

HTH,
Angus.

Angus, thank you for your response. It would be great if you included not only the
raw drums but also the same set that is processed with the very best EQ’s and compression from someone who really knows how to get a great Jazz or Funk sounding kit.

As you know, drums probably take the longest to "set up" in the studio to sound correctly with a pro engineer and all the pro gear. So lets not kid ourselves, most of us are not going to get very far with raw samples with no pro engineer know how and no pro gear.

I don’t have a UAD-1 and most people who buy a synthesizer don’t ever program
their own sounds. That should say it all, LOL.

Thank you for the other recommendations, it shows a lot of class on your part. I’ll check them out.

P.S
The example I posted is of Funk. The tempo in R'n'B is slower and the energy is less aggressive than Funk.

The slower tempo songs of Earth, Wind & Fire would considered R'n'B while the
medium tempo songs (and faster songs) like Serpentine Fire are considered Funk.

James Brown IS Funk and Parliament is P-Funk, a slower than median tempo but with a
very aggressive energy/attitude.

[Farview]

Originally Posted by B.P.M

It would be great if you included not only the
raw drums but also the same set that is processed with the very best EQ’s and compression from someone who really knows how to get a great Jazz or Funk sounding kit.

That's just it, your idea of what a good funk kit sounds like isn't necessarily what everyone else's idea is. I'll have to admit that when someone says funk, I think of that same stuff from the 70's.

The sound of the kit has to change depending on the instrumentation around it. Funk and most other genres are more defined by the feel, not the sound. It is more about how the sounds of all the instruments interact with each other. If you got samples of the kit that was used on your favorite song, it might not work in your mix.

I run into this a lot. I get emails once a week requesting a certain sound. For example, the Pantera kick sound. I tell them which of my samples they need to use and how to EQ and compress it. They try it and it doesn't work. I have them mp3 a mix to me and, lo and behold, they are playing detuned 7-strings through some swampy sounding Mesa Boogies. I give them some different eq and compression instructions, and it works. But they no longer have the Pantera kick sound, they have the impact of it, but that isn't it.

Originally Posted by B.P.M

P.S
The example I posted is of Funk. The tempo in R'n'B is slower and the energy is less aggressive than Funk.

The slower tempo songs of Earth, Wind & Fire would considered R'n'B while the
medium tempo songs (and faster songs) like Serpentine Fire are considered Funk.

James Brown IS Funk and Parliament is P-Funk, a slower than median tempo but with a
very aggressive energy/attitude.

This just proves my point about how different people categorize things.

[GGreen]

If we processed the drums with Eq and compression we would just get nagged for doing so by the 'we want to make those decisions' brigade.

It is the entire purpose of BFD and DKFHS that the drums are 'naked'

If you want processed drums theres a mass of them out there.

Everyones definition of what is jazz and what is funk seems to vary hugely,

hopefully weve struck the right balance with Jazz N Funk.

Again one mans 'cardboard' is another mans just right.

Same goes for all these things......

Taste and personal opinion vary a lot which is why we havent reduced the possibilities by possibly inappropriate processing.

GFX

FXpansion Audio UK Ltd.