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Getting that Old Analog Mixer Sound ???

I reamp a lot of things through my channel strips but I do remember that back in the day I used to like to reamp kicks and snares through a old mixer I had saying around... do some of you guys still do that???

There is something that the bored adds to sound that just gives it that airy feeling that I am missing in my mix.... I want to bring that back... Im really thinking of buying a little mixer just for that sound...

anyone have some ideas of a good mixer I can pick up to get me that sound???

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This is the only "little mixer" I would get.
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What I used to do a lot was after the vocals were edited, I would track them to 2" tape, then back into pro tools. But that was usually just vocals, I still do it from time to time, sometimes if it's a kick, I'll just record one hit, and then I'll sample that (to save tape) lol.
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Reamping is is taking a prerecorded sound, running thru an amp or speaker system and mic'ing that. What you are talking about is just running a sound thru a board or maybe an insert. But would only do such with a neve 80 series or such. It seems like you wanna use a analog console for mixing...
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Look up user weldroid on here.

Nevermind here's some Gearslutz links

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and you can find the updated plugin here on a sweet thread

Help me to emulate YOUR console!

His Synesthasia plugin gives you that sound and then some. I know I helped make some of the saturation curves for it through my old gear here. (Altec, Dukane, BAE 1073, Yamaha PM700) it definitely gives a nice set of mojo to the audio you pass through the plug in, it offers a very nice cumulative effect.

Be careful though it a BAM kind of plugin, not subtle at all. Which I why I love it.

I'm also curious to check out Satson VST when its released.

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Im sorry but thats not even close to the old analog mixer sound
I've never used it, but it's SSL. I've only used their AWS 948 (which sounds amazing!)
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SSL products are great and all, but i don't think thats what the OP is looking for in terms of sound.

castro, how many channels are you looking for?
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SSL products are great and all, but i don't think thats what the OP is looking for in terms of sound.

castro, how many channels are you looking for?
I dont need many at all.... maybe 8... There is a sound that some mixers Ive used in the day that I miss now... along with the head room and realness of it there is also that air... tape like sound... I cant put my fingure on it but its something Im missing...

Im going to do some reading to see what I can find on line about the Mixer Sound... sorry if Im being a little out there LOL
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Look up user weldroid on here.

Nevermind here's some Gearslutz links

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/new-p...hesia-vst.html

and you can find the updated plugin here on a sweet thread

Help me to emulate YOUR console!

His Synesthasia plugin gives you that sound and then some. I know I helped make some of the saturation curves for it through my old gear here. (Altec, Dukane, BAE 1073, Yamaha PM700) it definitely gives a nice set of mojo to the audio you pass through the plug in, it offers a very nice cumulative effect.

Be careful though it a BAM kind of plugin, not subtle at all. Which I why I love it.

I'm also curious to check out Satson VST when its released.

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Sounds like you want a summing box mate.

Analog summing boxes for professional audio mixing with digital and analog audio summing boxes mixguides consoles

I use an early 80's A&H 16/8. I have 10 channels of Hardware (synth, workstation, gat, mpc) running through it into the DAW and have 6 channels reserved for summing stems from the DAW mix then sending it back.

It sounds great but takes up a hell of a lot of studio real estate which has me thinking about alternatives.

Illacov. Thanks for the heads up, I'll be looking at that for sure.
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I dont need many at all.... maybe 8... There is a sound that some mixers Ive used in the day that I miss now... along with the head room and realness of it there is also that air... tape like sound... I cant put my fingure on it but its something Im missing...

Im going to do some reading to see what I can find on line about the Mixer Sound... sorry if Im being a little out there LOL


Its definitely not out there. Its pretty common.

The thing is, there is a ton of different ways to accomplish your goal. There are digital options like Analog Channel or Phoenix or others.

There are also summing boxes. Basically a bunch of inputs summing to some stereo outs. Some have inserts, but no EQ or anything built in. Some are more colored than others.

Then theres consoles. There's a ton of old cheap mixers or modular situations you can get into.
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Define the mythical "Old Analog Mixer Sound", and maybe someone could make a suggestion... There is no standard "Old Analog Mixer Sound".

In fact, people are typically asking for that "Old Analog TAPE MACHINE Sound", but they think it's the console sprinkling the magic fairy dust.
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I hope no one is saying a plugin will ever have that old analog feel. It is what it is, because of what it is. Real!!!! In the end analog rules, in the end digital is only trying to replicate analog.
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Tony's right. Listen to him he's an expert. The "sound" you are looking for comes from the op amps, transformers, tubes, summing bus, or tape compression. This is more better described as a "vintage" or "analog thick" sound i guess.

If you have a good channel strip you are "reamping" with you're fine. Unless you're gonna run it through a damn neve board.

Thanks Guys, Yes I do think its a little of that Tape Compression Im talking about... or Analog Thick...

I do do a lot of reamping with my channel strips within my mix, Kicks, Snares, Bass and so on...

But my overall mix is missing that something something that I loved about older Hip Hop and Older 80s Rock...

maybe it is the transformers I need or maybe its true tape...????
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Here is a ruff draft of a track Im working on... maybe you can Hear what Im talking about.... Thanks again guys....

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by the way, the New Mic is sounding great... I dont need to do much EQing at all ..... Real Great Sound.... Thanks


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Look up user weldroid on here.

Nevermind here's some Gearslutz links

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/new-p...hesia-vst.html

and you can find the updated plugin here on a sweet thread

Help me to emulate YOUR console!

His Synesthasia plugin gives you that sound and then some. I know I helped make some of the saturation curves for it through my old gear here. (Altec, Dukane, BAE 1073, Yamaha PM700) it definitely gives a nice set of mojo to the audio you pass through the plug in, it offers a very nice cumulative effect.

Be careful though it a BAM kind of plugin, not subtle at all. Which I why I love it.

I'm also curious to check out Satson VST when its released.

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immediately after 5 secs i can tell your track lacks harmonic distortion, also known as overtones.

You need to get a piece of gear that adds 2nd and or 4th order distortion.
Empirical Labs Distressor. Period.

Or the Fatso...
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Empirical Labs Distressor. Period.

Or the Fatso...
Thats what a buddy has been telling me to get.... Distressor ...

what price range am I looking at ???
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My Price range is any where from 1000 to 1500
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My Price range is any where from 1000 to 1500
ELI8XM... what you guys think of this one
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My Price range is any where from 1000 to 1500
EL is gonna be about 1000 out of your price range if you buy it new but I've seen some great used deals on both units.

Ubk Fatso (Ubk's mod of the EL Fatso) is about 100-200 bucks more than the original Fatso and is also worth checking out IF your budged grows about a grand.
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Tascam m30, teac model 5, anything by ward beck, early 80's yamaha, sound workshop, soundcraft 200 or 600... tons of options.

I know exactly what you mean, even dirty little consoles like the ones above give the sound some texture, character, grain, grit, distortion, dirt. Call it what you like, it all amounts to personality, something sound has verrry little of if you simply go from a mic pre to an a/d converter.


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For that price range, I'd look at getting some of the stuff ubk mentioned. Old reel to reel or cheap console. That will give you multiple channels whereas the distressor will only give you one.
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Thanks so Much for all your help guys.... Mixer it will Be then ...
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The TEAC Model 5 is really good.
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Listening to the mp3 I'm not necessarily convinced it's some magic oldsckool hardware mojo that's missing, but rather, your approach to mixing and how you mix. A lot of people look to a piece of gear to solve an issue they are having only to have the same problem after they get the magic box. I think your problem is perhaps more about how you are EQing and balancing. Just my opinion.

If you want to start with something that's free, check out Bootsy's Ferric TDS (I think that's what it's called). I never use it on hip-hop mixes, but I sometimes use it on the stereo buss on rock mixes and it's really freakin' amazing. Just used it on a record that has done incredibly well on radio (#1 @ radio in the band's country).

If you want to go with a litlte mixer, be aware that there's no universal little mixer sound so if you had one that was the magic bullet, just go find that same exact one and use it.

I might also recommend tracking your gear through your channel strips so you get some of the sound going in.

Also, what are your tracking levels? If you are printing tracks at -3dBFS, then that's not helping.

Etc. etc. etc.
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Listening to the mp3 I'm not necessarily convinced it's some magic oldsckool hardware mojo that's missing, but rather, your approach to mixing and how you mix. A lot of people look to a piece of gear to solve an issue they are having only to have the same problem after they get the magic box. I think your problem is perhaps more about how you are EQing and balancing. Just my opinion.

If you want to start with something that's free, check out Bootsy's Ferric TDS (I think that's what it's called). I never use it on hip-hop mixes, but I sometimes use it on the stereo buss on rock mixes and it's really freakin' amazing. Just used it on a record that has done incredibly well on radio (#1 @ radio in the band's country).

If you want to go with a litlte mixer, be aware that there's no universal little mixer sound so if you had one that was the magic bullet, just go find that same exact one and use it.

I might also recommend tracking your gear through your channel strips so you get some of the sound going in.

Also, what are your tracking levels? If you are printing tracks at -3dBFS, then that's not helping.

Etc. etc. etc.

I do retrack a lot of my sounds through my channel strips and it does help a little bit... the track I posted here is not a good track to hear my good mixes but it was more of a idea of the sound or should I say feel Im missing...

Im going to check out some music shops today to get a idea of what Im going to do....

I went back on some of my way older beats when I used to run my MO6 through a Mixing Bored into the DAW and Yes it must be the mixing bored because they sounded better to me.... smoother.... warmer.... not as bla lol...

It seems to me that the sound I love and enjoy is more of a tape smoothness or analog smoothness.... maybe its just me ....
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i'd avoid the music stores and get something old, gritty, grimey. all the new smaller consoles are pretty boring.
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