How Much Of Lil John, 50, Game, Snoop Dogg, & Kanye's Recent Albums Mixed ITB?

[777]

How Much Of Lil John, 50, Game, Snoop Dogg, & Kanye's Recent Albums Mixed ITB?

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[The Marrvel]

Late Registration definitely wasn't ITB.

[Rand0mRoll77]

Late Registration was composed, sequenced, mixed, and masterd entirely with Fruity Loops.

[babyface_finsta]

[Traxx]

Originally Posted by Rand0mRoll77

Late Registration was composed, sequenced, mixed, and masterd entirely with Fruity Loops.

You can't be serious!!!!

[thethrillfactor]

Originally Posted by Traxx

You can't be serious!!!!

Its a joke obviously.


Late Regisration is mixed by a couple of guys(Manny Marroquin gets a bulk like the first album).

And he mixes on a 9000.

Its mastered by Vlado Meller.

The stuff produced by the Neptunes for Snoop is mixed ITB(Phil Tan).

Lil Jon,50 and the Game is a mixture i think.


Personally i think none of those records sound that tremendous.

Nice productions but in terms of sonics they leave somethings to be desired.

I also didn't like the sound of the Outkast double album either.

To be honest i haven't heard a record(R&B or Rap) that has really impressed me in the last 6 years.

Now if we reach back to the 80's and 90's and its a whole different story.

[Rand0mRoll77]

hey thethrillfactor,

you should check out this new album by this underground group from Kentucky. They're called CunninLynguists and the album is called A Piece of Strange. Alot of it has that organic sampled from scratched vinyl sound but I think the production is great on it. I guess they may leave a little something to be desired sonically though

www.myspace.com/cunninlynguists

(obviously the myspace audio doesnt really do them justice)

Let me know what you think.

What are your favorite rap albums sonic wise?

[777]

How about specifics? Like which tracks from which album by which artist would be helpful?

A 777 Subject.

[thethrillfactor]

Originally Posted by Rand0mRoll77

hey thethrillfactor,

you should check out this new album by this underground group from Kentucky. They're called CunninLynguists and the album is called A Piece of Strange. Alot of it has that organic sampled from scratched vinyl sound but I think the production is great on it. I guess they may leave a little something to be desired sonically though

www.myspace.com/cunninlynguists

(obviously the myspace audio doesnt really do them justice)

Let me know what you think.

What are your favorite rap albums sonic wise?

You know I've heard of them before.

I don't remember from where but i remember the catchy name.

In terms of rap albums sonics its tough.

I can think of songs but an album as a whole...

Part of the reason is that these days its usually different producers in different studios.

Also their is no continuity between sounds,engineering or quality control(unless its someone like Dre).

And of course the lack of money and time to really delve into a project and make it the best it can be.

Lastly there is the lack of knowledge,interest and motivation to want to be rap engineers.

I mean i've taught engineering classes in the past here in the city and i can count the amount of guys on my hand that wanted to be true engineers over producers/artists.

But everyone wants to learn to mix.

When i came up in the late 80's and early 90's it was different.

I've posted in the past about the rascism in the large studios, the need to prove yourself over and over and gain the trust of both the studio owners and the clients who thought because you did rap you can't do anything else.

And vice versa the rap producers,managers and artists who thought because you are latino(which i am) couldn't"feel" the music.

And lastly the competition among your peers.

Man you didn't want to walk in the control room after someone had a blazing mix going and your client was vibing to it.

If you couldn't compete you could get your clients stolen.


You had to compete, get better or get fired.

The good thing though is if you were lucky you could walk into a session and if the board wasn't reset you could steal a tip or two without the person knowing.

[thethrillfactor]

Originally Posted by 777

How about specifics? Like which tracks from which album by which artist would be helpful?

A 777 Subject.

Specifics?

Well you could buy the CD's you know and look at the credits.

The main guys mixing ITB that i know of are Phil Tan and Serban Ghenea.

They are the Neptunes main guys.


I am not really sure about John Frye though.

My guess is these days its yes.

Manny Marroquin is an SSL guy.

I am pretty sure that Neal Pogue,Dexter Simmons,KD Davis are as well.

So are the NY guys Tony Maserati and Tommy Uzzo.

I don't know what Bob Power is using right now.

And Jimmy Douglass who posted here before i think still mixes on a Neve VR(you can ask him yourself).

Those are some of the top guys right now.

If you are wondering if you can hear a difference based on the mixes?

My answer is nah.

Its about skill,experience,talent and taste.

The first mix though that i've heard lately that made me think ITB was Phil Tan's mix of Omarion's "Touch".

I liked the video but the song on the CD came out sounding 2 dimensional and dead.

[illynoise]

Originally Posted by thethrillfactor

I've posted in the past about the rascism in the large studios, the need to prove yourself over and over and gain the trust of both the studio owners and the clients who thought because you did rap you can't do anything else.

Racism? Do you mean a prejudice of your color or of the style of music?


Peace,

BaseJase
Illynoise

[illynoise]

For clarification, I should say you or your clients?

BaseJase

[thethrillfactor]

Originally Posted by illynoise

Racism? Do you mean a prejudice of your color or of the style of music?


Peace,

BaseJase
Illynoise

Back in the day it was both.

Ask the guys who were around they will tell you the stories.

Chung King was the first big studio that opened its arms towards and embraced the music(and John King became rich because of it).

Part of the prejudice(whicih still exist today) is the fear of the herd mentality.

Hey i have to admit i've had mics and outboard processors stolen in the past when manning a session with 20 guys in the studio.

And in those days the graffiti craze was rampant so after a session you could have your whole studio vandalized or "tagged up".

Not to mention the stolen property.

For a while studios just refused to have rap acts record there(and this was back in the late 80's early 90's).

John King was the first guy i heard of charging $75 a head for any extra heads and he setup a wall in the studio where anyone that came through could tag up(and that wall is still there to this day).

He never had problems ever again(well until recently when he tried to sue Foxy Brown for not paying her bills).

And yeah the clients also at times.

In this business its easy to get type casted.

Me personally i've always loved working with good songs no matter what the genre.

The problem is if a rock act hears that you work with rap/hip hop they will right away think you can't mix drums and guitars.

At the same time if a rap act hears that you mix mostly rock they think you can't make their mixes 'bang".

Nowadays i just do a little of each to balance it.

Not too much rap and not too much rock(so as not to get bored) and get labeled.

And i try to work with artists that are trying to do something.

And hopefully that have some good songs.

[illynoise]

I've had a lot of guys from rock bands asking me to master there stuff because they've heard my clients masters and mixes. 99 percent of the time I have to tell them to go back and remix it because their drums ain't hittin. I don't try to mix rock records, even though I guess I would make more money because I get requests every week for these longer sessions. But I have kept turning them down.

Being a white rapper, dj, engineer, and mainly producer, what clients have always told me is that they didn't ever think that someone like me would rap, much less know about the inner workings of a rap song. They thought I was just the "engineer", which I'm not. I just know how to work Logic well.

So I have experienced a little reverse prejudging myself. But if you a long legged female in a ***** house, you'll likely be called one. I got nothing but love for everybody who treats me fairly! Everyone in CO will attest to that.

I just wanted to know what the scene was like in "the City".

Peace out to all! If you got kids, play music to them!

BaseJase
Illynoise

[Flymax]

LJ "Roll Call" ITB.
PT Mix 44k..TC/MasterX on Master Fader..like 4 delay returns..

[jlotto]

ITB Mixers

Phil Tan (all plugs and a mouse)
Serban Ghenea
Duro
Bob Power (mixed Common "Be" itb and others)
Rhett Lawrence (black eyed peas, macy gray)
Ciara's stuff was ITB
Dave Junco (Juvenile and others)
Alot of Outkast's last album
Various G-Unit songs

almost all of the down south hip hop. alot mixed on LE too and the bottom is always boomin on those mixes

[777]

This is all unfolding into an enlightening thread. I wonder will producer's like 'Primo', & 'Dr. Dre' take the 'totally' ITB plunge.

A 777 Subject.

[777]

Tony Belmont,

You should try to see if you could get The Neptunes, Kanye, or Dr. Dre to host threads around here even if only for a week, or a few days if lucky based upon the type of schedule those guys keep. Just a suggestion.


A 777 Subject.

[thethrillfactor]

Originally Posted by jlotto

ITB Mixers

Phil Tan (all plugs and a mouse)
Serban Ghenea
Duro
Bob Power (mixed Common "Be" itb and others)
Rhett Lawrence (black eyed peas, macy gray)
Ciara's stuff was ITB
Dave Junco (Juvenile and others)
Alot of Outkast's last album
Various G-Unit songs

almost all of the down south hip hop. alot mixed on LE too and the bottom is always boomin on those mixes

Yeah but alot of those records don't sound that great to me.

But that goes without saying.

I don't think that is a concern anymore in the business.

Heck i'm mixing some mixtape CD's right now and some of the 2 tracks instrumentals i get are so bad its ridiculous(not all but some).

Fortunately i have the vocals seperated so i can at least work those.

[TonyBelmont]

Originally Posted by 777

This is all unfolding into an enlightening thread. I wonder will producer's like 'Primo', & 'Dr. Dre' take the 'totally' ITB plunge.

A 777 Subject.

I think Primo already does....

[TonyBelmont]

Originally Posted by 777

Tony Belmont,

You should try to see if you could get The Neptunes, Kanye, or Dr. Dre to host threads around here even if only for a week, or a few days if lucky based upon the type of schedule those guys keep. Just a suggestion.


A 777 Subject.

OK, let me just dial Dr Dre up real quick...

But, seriously the Neptunes engineer posts on here from time to time. And we may have someone just as special doing something like that in the near future....

[777]

Tony Belmont,

Looking forward to whoever will be the surprise host.

A 777 Subject.