130.000k to spend on equipment

[jason1234]

Whatup ya'll

I just got some great news, I can spend 130.000 on studio equipment. I already got a building, etc. etc.

I really want to know,

What a blazin´ setup. I´m really ****in myself up over the mixer part *digital* and the monitor part

Should I get an Icon, Or a mackie dxb 200 or something

What are the traps if you building a whole damn studio...

A few good example gearlistts would be very apriciated

[sssoundsss]

Rich kid? - record deal? - someone died? - what's the story?

[jason1234]

Originally Posted by sssoundsss

Rich kid? - record deal? - someone died? - what's the story?

The deal is, I ain´t a rich kid, I´aint got a record deal and nobody died.

We some heavy hitters from the netherlands,

Trying to build the first proffessional. hiphop studio above the many home and semi proff hiphop record studios.

We only got a big problem selecting gear, because of the lack of distribution down here. There are some good possibilities, but I think y´all here can bring me down to earth and tell me what the deal is or totally what not the deal is.

I´m sorry if my english is bullshitting.

Thnx!

[silkysmell]

i wouldnt go the digital mixer route, specially for hiphop.
go get a HD rig, a decent analog mixer, analog comps (think drums and vox for rap) and most importantly big monitors with lots of whoomp and the ns10s... every rapper likes bass.....

[jason1234]

Originally Posted by silkysmell

i wouldnt go the digital mixer route, specially for hiphop.
go get a HD rig, a decent analog mixer, analog comps (think drums and vox for rap) and most importantly big monitors with lots of whoomp and the ns10s... every rapper likes bass.....

Tell me why you would´nt go for a digital mixer.

I read some really good shit on a mackie dxb, but I think if you explain som´ more why´s and don´ts the sky gets clearer for me.

Thnk U for your reply!

[strauss]

Where are you planning to build the studio?
I'm from amsterdam myself.
Will this be a commercial facility or more of a personal studio with the option to be booked by outside engineers/producers?


anyhow, from what I've read on the mackie forums, the dxb is still buggy and the dxb400 might even be vapourware.
If you're planning to go the digital route and have enough cash an Icon might be a better idea.
Otherwise an AWS900 or a used SSL might fit the bill. CML in germany has a 80 channel G+ for sale, though if you go the SSL route there will be more maintenace costs too (and a higher electricity bill )
I wouldn't go for an E series myself , because of maintenance issues.

How's the monitoring and acoustics of the room? Acoustics done well is very expensive!

How are you equipped so far?

[Rogervandeberg]

Originally Posted by jason1234

Tell me why you would´nt go for a digital mixer.

I read some really good shit on a mackie dxb, but I think if you explain som´ more why´s and don´ts the sky gets clearer for me.

Thnk U for your reply!

Hey, im also from NL, like to know what you guys do/make!

There are a couple of companies in NL who do nice projects for artists studio's. For dance/trance/sampled based music, "i4-muzique" is a nice small quality store, who specialize also in custom projects. Also the director has done a lot for the whole (inter)national "dance-scene" so he knows almost everything about samples/synthesis and so on, great helpful guy! Also if you decide to go with a PC/intel/amd rig, they make excellent studio pc's.

Another company who does such things is "morel muziek" They do have a lot of high end gear in stock, but i don;t know the people and their service.

I am not that professional and don't have that kind of cash, but maybe these stores can help you better than me, i can only give an opinion

What is your intention? Is it for only personal projects or are there clients, who need to be impressed? In the second case, i think you should go another way than i have in mind.

[silkysmell]

a digi mixer wont do anything to your sound, total automation and total recall is nice , but you can do the same itb with a controller and better sounding plugins. on the other hand an ana board will be able to colour and sum your tracks. anyway you wont believe how many hiphop guys will walk in with just hardware grooveboxes, just plug em into the board turn up the gains till it cracks and youll already have a better result then tracked audio through your digi mixer... even with a mackie 8 bus analog....

[Flymax]

Here's my advice..
Spend 100k and bank 30 for all the stuff you realize you want and wasn't in the budget.
Get a used SSL that's in decent shape.
Work with an acoustic's person and a good tech...woth the money...you might even find a good young tech that will trade for time in the room.
Good Luck!

[jason1234]

Oke, as far as the mixer part, I going to spend another 2 weeks on searching for a good one. I might look for a SSL second hand, but that´s probably not what I´m gonna take. Can i use like a digital and an analog mixer both, just pluggin the mpc´s and some´synths in it, then trough a analog mixer and compressors etc. when it sounds right, diggin it in a digital mixer recording it right in protools and start fancying around with it... or is this a very bullshit thought.... Thnx for all the comments

It will be a commercial kind of facility, though, we want to be really hiphop-rnb based and not a little bit of this and that....

The groovebox idea, about guys walkin´in, I´m that kind of guy

Now I´m sitting on the synth thing

I want to combine a lot of synths in a 19`rack.

Like,

triton rack,
motif rack,
V synth Xt rack etc.etc.

I need to control these with a master keyboard, wich would be a good choice...

[jason1234]

Originally Posted by FLYMAX

Here's my advice..
Spend 100k and bank 30 for all the stuff you realize you want and wasn't in the budget.
Get a used SSL that's in decent shape.
Work with an acoustic's person and a good tech...woth the money...you might even find a good young tech that will trade for time in the room.
Good Luck!

I think you are so damn right. thnx!

[jason1234]

Hey, im also from NL, like to know what you guys do/make!

There are a couple of companies in NL who do nice projects for artists studio's. For dance/trance/sampled based music, "i4-muzique" is a nice small quality store, who specialize also in custom projects. Also the director has done a lot for the whole (inter)national "dance-scene" so he knows almost everything about samples/synthesis and so on, great helpful guy! Also if you decide to go with a PC/intel/amd rig, they make excellent studio pc's.

Another company who does such things is "morel muziek" They do have a lot of high end gear in stock, but i don;t know the people and their service.

I already contacted I4muzique... Waiting for response, Morel music looks like a very integer company, so I´m going to contact them too.

Thnx Alot

[Rogervandeberg]

Originally Posted by jason1234

I already contacted I4muzique... Waiting for response, Morel music looks like a very integer company, so I´m going to contact them too.

Thnx Alot

Anytime!



Regarding the budget: I am not so sure if it's good to have a big analog console. It'll impress the clients, but 130K Can be pretty tight if you have a big board and have to set up lots of synths, samplers, not to forget patchbays and good cabling.

For that kind of budget i would be more interested in a hybrid studio: digital board, with a nice array of analog preamps and outboard, and lots of synths. I think the biggest bang for the buck (if you may speak in this term with this kind of money) is in this kind of studio.

[dussel]

Originally Posted by jason1234

I want to combine a lot of synths in a 19`rack.

Like,

triton rack,
motif rack,
V synth Xt rack etc.etc.

I need to control these with a master keyboard, wich would be a good choice...

I recommend the Motif ES8 :-) plus you will need the EMU flavour in your rack. e.g. Proteus 2000 or Mo Phatt....

regards
Dussel

[beyarecords]

I'd be inclined to start off with the center console of choce at the moment, within the hip-hop/r&b franternity at least, the SSL AWS 900. Hook it up with an HD Pro-tools/ Nuendo (SSL are working on 100% integration with Nuendo as we speak) system and you you got the basis of a very serious sytem right there!! Add additional plugins/out board gear to taste!!

Beya

[Rogervandeberg]

Originally Posted by beyarecords

I'd be inclined to start off with the center console of choce at the moment, within the hip-hop/r&b franternity at least, the SSL AWS 900. Hook it up with an HD Pro-tools/ Nuendo (SSL are working on 100% integration with Nuendo as we speak) system and you you got the basis of a very serious sytem right there!! Add additional plugins/out board gear to taste!!

Beya

But, imagine that an aws 900 w automation costs 80.000 euro ex VAT in the Netherlands! (that's $96.000) Then you,ve got only 30 left for cabling, patchbays, installation, monitors, mics and protools HD. Not to mention sythns and samplers.

Oh and ofcourse compressors since there are too little on the aws itself.

[Darius van H]

Beatkidz?

[beyarecords]

Originally Posted by Rogervandeberg

But, imagine that an aws 900 w automation costs 80.000 euro ex VAT in the Netherlands! (that's $96.000) Then you,ve got only 30 left for cabling, patchbays, installation, monitors, mics and protools HD. Not to mention sythns and samplers.

Oh and ofcourse compressors since there are too little on the aws itself.

It's a difficult one, but i'd make sure the SSL was in there!

Beya

[ILL]

I suggest you get a neotek elite instead and a good set of main/mid/nearfields, for the rest of the cash get some good outboard and a good versatile set of mics also Pro Tools HD and synths and whatever else you need. It's not hard to spend that kind of money on a good studio if you part with the ssl idea.

[beyarecords]

Originally Posted by ILL

It's not hard to spend that kind of money on a good studio if you part with the ssl idea.

Unfortunately the music business functions on one ethos only, Success!! There are a few names which are associated with this rightly or wrongly, SSL, Pro-Tools etc etc..... If you are looking to attract record label artists ('Trying to build the first proffessional. hiphop studio above the many home and semi proff hiphop record studios'), you can't go wrong with having those details stipulated on your resume. My 2 cents anyway.

Beya

[Rogervandeberg]

Originally Posted by beyarecords

Unfortunately the music business functions on one ethos only, Success!! There are a few name which are associated with this rightly or wrongly, SSL, Pro-Tools etc etc..... If you are looking to attract record label artists ('Trying to build the first proffessional. hiphop studio above the many home and semi proff hiphop record studios'), you can't go wrong with having those details stipulated on your resume. My 2 cents anyway.

Beya

Yes, IMO there is not any other scene than the Rap/RnB/Hiphops scene where client impression is more important for booking studio time!

[jason1234]

Thnx for the reply's until now. You guys are the first who seriously react to a post. I've been on other forums and it was all crap.

I thank you guys alot.

So if i get an analog mixer, I still can work with a protools HD etc. etc. That's very nice. I'm gettin the point about clientelle and shit, It's just sad they judge you by the amout of faders

But anyway.

About the monitors. Should I get to big ass ones and a sub or,

4 and 2 subs or what ever.

+ the brands... what's allright? dynalec? Mackie? something else?
+ amplifier?
And the compressors and limiters//

I was thinking lexicon, or neve// cranesong.. or wat ever? drop your thoughts

Thnx

[jason1234]

Originally Posted by Darius van H

Beatkidz?

No, No beatkidz

We some producers, a sort of team... We want to be a team where everybody got his specialitys. like a mixin' engineer, a few good people on the mpc, a few good live instrument players, a few synth geeks...

We have also plans (very very serious) to start a hiphop/rnb/ label.

we building a office next to our studio.

[TonyBelmont]

Originally Posted by jason1234

Thnx for the reply's until now. You guys are the first who seriously react to a post. I've been on other forums and it was all crap.

I thank you guys alot.

So if i get an analog mixer, I still can work with a protools HD etc. etc. That's very nice. I'm gettin the point about clientelle and shit, It's just sad they judge you by the amout of faders

But anyway.

About the monitors. Should I get to big ass ones and a sub or,

4 and 2 subs or what ever.

+ the brands... what's allright? dynalec? Mackie? something else?
+ amplifier?
And the compressors and limiters//

I was thinking lexicon, or neve// cranesong.. or wat ever? drop your thoughts

Thnx

Jason,

It looks like you need a lot of help putting together this studio. It seems like you might need someone like myself to help steer you toward the right gear, etc. Feel free to give me a call and I will help you as best I can.... 401-316-6423
tony@highprofileaudio.com

[Lindell]

Originally Posted by jason1234

Whatup ya'll

I just got some great news, I can spend 130.000 on studio equipment.

Hey hey,

I'd go with;

Used SSL 4048G with Ultimation $50k ? (Tony will hook you up)
Used pair of Quested 4x12" mains $8k ? (Tony will hook you up)
Used pair of 15" subs $2k ?
Used pair of Gens 1031's $1,5k ?
Protools HD3 with 3x192's $20k ?
Plugins $5k
Used Lexicon 480 $5k ?
a Kurzweil KSP-8 $2k ?
4x Vintech X73i's $5k ?
2x used Millennia NSEQ-2 $5k ? (or Gyraf, Avalon, Manley)
Buzz Audio SOC 1,1 $2k ?
4x Daking Compressors $4k ?
4x Valley People Gain BrainII $500 ?
a dbx 162 $500 ?
SPL Transient Designer $1k ?
2x Purple MC77 $3k ?

What about mics?
1 U67, 1 U87, 1 Blue Bottle?

/Dell

[cajonezzz]

GEAR:
whatcha got now? whatcha used to working on? Is this a commercial facility?

You can blow through that amount in a blink of an eye... IMO, buy what you NEED. Pimp what you GOT. and grow SLOWLY.

good luck!

[TonyBelmont]

Originally Posted by Lindell

Hey hey,

I'd go with;

Used SSL 4048G with Ultimation $50k ? (Tony will hook you up)
Used pair of Quested 4x12" mains $8k ? (Tony will hook you up)
Used pair of 15" subs $2k ?

I was actually thinking a 4040G+ loaded 32 that I have right now with some Augspurgers in a custom color to match the room. I also have a used HD3 with a used 192 right now to save some money... Along with a bunch of outboard gear, wiring, etc.

[dussel]

Originally Posted by cajonezzz

You can blow through that amount in a blink of an eye... IMO, buy what you NEED. Pimp what you GOT. and grow SLOWLY.

This is a very good advice. It would not be wise to spend all the money right now. Buy what you need to record and mix and wait with upgrading your mic locker and outboard racks until you know what you need according to your clients needs.

regards
Dussel

[mos]

Hi jason,

Where exactly in holland is your studio going to be located?

[babyface_finsta]

Yeah... it seems like a good idea to hit Tony up... you seem to be all over the place when it comes to options...

On another note... do all cats from NL speak/talk like they dont give a F about grammer like we do? I love the influence of Urban music on the world... but... damn... you sound a little like a kid from the Burbs over doing it... and it makes your post hard to take serious... maybe your just a little excited...

Anyway congrats on the come up... best of luck...